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Topic: Anna Sorokin
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 21483 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 12, 2022 04:20 PM
Her chart, and articles about her: http://star4cast.com/anna-sorokin-a-guilt-and-shame-free-existence/ http://ohioastrology.com/2019/05/05/tale-of-a-saturn-return-gone-bad-anna-delvey-sor okins/ Netflix apparently paid her $320,000 to tell her story. I wasn't aware of that when I started to watch it yesterday.
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Belage Knowflake Posts: 5859 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 12, 2022 06:42 PM
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PlutoWasHere Knowflake Posts: 379 From: The Nether World Registered: Mar 2021
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posted February 13, 2022 04:09 AM
I think that this is a very interesting story. She was able to fool a lot of people by creating a different persona. She has her Mars in zero degrees. This is obviously an important planet in her chart and in the sign of “two faced” trickster Gemini. It also rules her Aries Moon in Anaretic degree and square Capricorn Saturn. That’s a harsh placement and maybe she created another persona from her own need to feel important and successful. I don’t think her birth time is correct too, it’s at 12:00 according to the chart. I wonder if she could be a Gemini Rising with Mars in her H12. That would also put her chart ruler Mercury conjunct Uranus in H8. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 5859 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 13, 2022 01:56 PM
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 21483 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 13, 2022 04:47 PM
She's from Russia, and moved here. On the show, they don't say what's real, and what they made up, but she was flying around to places like Ibiza. In the show, she and her boyfriend made their way back onto someone else's yacht, after she'd been invited by a third-party, so this woman calls her up, extremely angry, ordering her to leave. According to this woman: http://time.com/6146419/inventing-anna-rachel-williams-anna-delvey/ who the show demonizes in the first episode, she got out of jail, and was immediately back on her BS. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 21483 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 13, 2022 04:51 PM
Before I saw this, I'd watched the Tinder Swindler, and wondered if they'd helped the women out financially, who were scammed by that sociopath. I then figured that might be unethical, since it was supposed to be a documentary. Well, now I'm hoping they DID pay them something for their parts in the documentary. I also saw that guy claiming that he's making money thanks to people on social media, like Tiktok. Some people just love a shameless scammer, which is how we got our former president. That wasn't directed at you Belage. It's just the truth of this country. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 21483 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 13, 2022 04:59 PM
Born: September 27, 1990 (age 31 years), Bnei Brak, IsraelSimon Leviev. He changed his name, apparently, and this birth date is according to google, so I don't know if it's real. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 5859 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 13, 2022 05:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: Before I saw this, I'd watched the Tinder Swindler, and wondered if they'd helped the women out financially, who were scammed by that sociopath. I then figured that might be unethical, since it was supposed to be a documentary. Well, now I'm hoping they DID pay them something for their parts in the documentary. I also saw that guy claiming that he's making money thanks to people on social media, like Tiktok. Some people just love a shameless scammer, which is how we got our former president. That wasn't directed at you Belage. It's just the truth of this country.
No offense taken. There is a saying, All Roads Lead to Rome, but for you, all roads lead to Trump. Do you have any astrological thoughts or insight you would like to share about Sorokin? IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 21483 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 13, 2022 06:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by Belage: No offense taken. There is a saying, All Roads Lead to Rome, but for you, all roads lead to Trump. Do you have any astrological thoughts or insight you would like to share about Sorokin?
Not yet. All roads don't lead to rumpy, for me. It's just the truth - until people saw how the country was going, when they went in that direction. But reality TV thrives. I've never been a fan. Oh, travel = 9th house. That was an astrological comment. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 5859 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 13, 2022 08:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: Not yet. All roads don't lead to rumpy, for me. It's just the truth - until people saw how the country was going, when they went in that direction.But reality TV thrives. I've never been a fan. Oh, travel = 9th house. That was an astrological comment.
If you are not interested in honestly contributing with astrological insight to a thread that you started in the astrology section, then you can have it all to yourself. Bye! IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 5859 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 13, 2022 08:28 PM
Edited:Maybe I got carried away in my previous reply and your reply was not mean to be snark. I don't understand how your mind works, teasel, so it is best I leave your thread. IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 1380 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted February 14, 2022 12:21 AM
What is the second chart (lower)? It gives her Sun and Mars in Libra, but says she is born January?I watched documentary about her. I’m sure Netflix adds a lot to it to make it more interesting. I didn’t like how her friend (who ratted her out) was desperately playing victim and portrayed Anna as evil. She took advantage of Anna’s privilege lifestyle many times. She said herself Anna payed for everything. She got scammed when they both were hanging out in a very expensive hotel, and she payed because a manager was threatening them. She appeared as a fake from that interview. Anna moved from Germany. She is a German citizen, Russian born. I found it interesting it was told Anna believed money was an inexhaustible resource. It sounds like T-square with Jupiter. http://www.thecut.com/article/how-anna-delvey-tricked-new-york.html I really like how well-written that Cut’s article. “If I really wanted the money, I would have better and faster ways to get some,” she groused. “Resilience is hard to come by, but not capital.” “She saw something others didn’t. Anna looked at the soul of New York and recognized that if you distract people with shiny objects, with large wads of cash, with the indicia of wealth, if you show them the money, they will be virtually unable to see anything else. And the thing was: It was so easy.” “Money, like, there’s an unlimited amount of capital in the world, you know?” Anna said to me at one point. “But there’s limited amounts of people who are talented.” IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 21483 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 26, 2022 01:43 PM
http://anchor.fm/lisa-meyerson/episodes/Anna-Sorokin-e1euvau?fbclid=IwAR23zBdmp8-IY9RwMZk7IqxmcmGqY1zC1qWYmdofCB7tf8zdsnPG4Aym0fg My friend Lisa runs this podcast.
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 21483 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 26, 2022 01:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by Belage: Edited:Maybe I got carried away in my previous reply and your reply was not mean to be snark. I don't understand how your mind works, teasel, so it is best I leave your thread.
It wasn’t snark, and I just posted it, because people had been talking about the show, so I looked her up. Why would it be snark? You didn’t need to delete your posts. I don’t need to write a thesis, just because I start a thread. The ninth house is partly to do with international travel, and moves would fit into that. I have Saturn in the ninth, and I was moved internationally more than once, by my parents. Three times, before the age of sixteen. Saturn squares Jupiter and Pluto in the fifth and eleventh houses, and those moves affected any friendships/relationships formed, including with family in both countries, among other things. She moved here, and was leading a lavish lifestyle for a while. She travelled as she lived that lifestyle. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 21483 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 26, 2022 01:51 PM
Lisa is talking about her fleeing Russia with her family, on the podcast that I linked above. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 21483 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 26, 2022 01:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: What is the second chart (lower)? It gives her Sun and Mars in Libra, but says she is born January?I watched documentary about her. I’m sure Netflix adds a lot to it to make it more interesting. I didn’t like how her friend (who ratted her out) was desperately playing victim and portrayed Anna as evil. She took advantage of Anna’s privilege lifestyle many times. She said herself Anna payed for everything. She got scammed when they both were hanging out in a very expensive hotel, and she payed because a manager was threatening them. She appeared as a fake from that interview. Anna moved from Germany. She is a German citizen, Russian born. I found it interesting it was told Anna believed money was an inexhaustible resource. It sounds like T-square with Jupiter. http://www.thecut.com/article/how-anna-delvey-tricked-new-york.html I really like how well-written that Cut’s article. “If I really wanted the money, I would have better and faster ways to get some,” she groused. “Resilience is hard to come by, but not capital.” “She saw something others didn’t. Anna looked at the soul of New York and recognized that if you distract people with shiny objects, with large wads of cash, with the indicia of wealth, if you show them the money, they will be virtually unable to see anything else. And the thing was: It was so easy.” “Money, like, there’s an unlimited amount of capital in the world, you know?” Anna said to me at one point. “But there’s limited amounts of people who are talented.”
I’m not awake enough to respond to this properly, but I will try to remember to come back, should I finish the show, and also read the book of the former friend. I just don’t want you to think that I’m ignoring your post. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 9131 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 26, 2022 02:01 PM
Jupiter in Leo opp Sun in Aqua. "Oh Yes, I'm the great pretender."Sun in detriment Aqua (self esteem issues) opposite "larger than life" expansive Jupiter in over-confident Leo. To quote the chilling "Talented Mr.Ripley" when he says "I would much rather be a FAKE somebody. Then a REAL nobody." This girl is no different. Talented Mercury conj Nep/Ura made her able to hone the skills of social relevance/allure(Ur) and fitting in in a chameonlike fashion (Nep). Neptune may have deluded her into thinking that she could manifest such a life authentically through pretending temporarily. It was not to be. Transits in 2021 got her fantasy squashed when reality check master Saturn hit her solar Asc progressed Merc/Nep/Ura. The jig was up! Saturn has a way of slapping us awake after a dream. It's very unpleasant to come crashing down to planet earth.😑 IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 21483 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 26, 2022 02:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by PlutoWasHere: I think that this is a very interesting story. She was able to fool a lot of people by creating a different persona. She has her Mars in zero degrees. This is obviously an important planet in her chart and in the sign of “two faced” trickster Gemini. It also rules her Aries Moon in Anaretic degree and square Capricorn Saturn. That’s a harsh placement and maybe she created another persona from her own need to feel important and successful. I don’t think her birth time is correct too, it’s at 12:00 according to the chart. I wonder if she could be a Gemini Rising with Mars in her H12. That would also put her chart ruler Mercury conjunct Uranus in H8.
Maybe that’s one reason that she rubs me the wrong way: it looked like her mars was on my moon (square my own mars). I have experience with a guy who has that, that I’ve talked about extensively, and he’s a liar and manipulator. I don’t think that applies to everyone with that placement, though. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 21483 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 26, 2022 02:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Jupiter in Leo opp Sun in Aqua. "Oh Yes, I'm the great pretender."Sun in detriment Aqua (self esteem issues) opposite "larger than life" expansive Jupiter in over-confident Leo. To quote the chilling "Talented Mr.Ripley" when he says "I would much rather be a FAKE somebody. Then a REAL nobody." This girl is no different. Talented Mercury conj Nep/Yes made her able to hone the skills of social relevance and going in "incognito". Neptune may have deluded her into thinking that she could manifest such a life authentically through pretending temporarily. Saturn transits in 2021 got her gafagtdt
Hi Aries23. I’ll be back later, or I should be. I still haven’t slept, and I need to leave the house for a while. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 9131 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted February 26, 2022 02:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: Hi Aries23. I’ll be back later, or I should be. I still haven’t slept, and I need to leave the house for a while.
Take your time. I don't know why the last bit of my post turned to gibberish 🤣 IP: Logged |
GalacticCoreExplosionV2 Knowflake Posts: 1710 From: Registered: Jul 2021
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posted February 26, 2022 03:56 PM
Clicked on the first link. Not a very good overview of her chart. Assuming her chart is relatively accurate*: How does the author not talk about the MAIN, PREDOMINANT feature of this chart? In this natal chart, she has Mars very closely conjunct her Asc i.e. Mars ultra amplified. Mars alone conjunct the Asc or in the 1st House seems to be a common feature of charts of folks that range from NPD to malignant narcissistic. Mars is such a self centered and slow vibratory energy (i.e. extremely red), that it takes a lot of faster vibratory stuff going on in the chart to counter balance that degree of self centeredness, material focus, etc. She doesn't have much of that going on, and Saturn is her 2nd strongest Planet by far (It is closest to her MC, in its own Sign and conjunct her Sun. Saturn is even slower vibratory than Mars). She does have angular Jupiter, but it is in the most hidden/unconscious of the Angular houses--the 4th, and Mars and Saturn are way, way stronger overall. She is almost guaranteed to be at least with the NPD spectrum. The less attunement to Source like Love in your heart and the more attunement to base, separative selfishness, the more likely you are going to engage in unethical and destructive behaviors in relation to others. P.S., I'm not saying that all Martians or Saturnians will be like this. But when these are the two strongest Planets by far, the chances highly increase unless freewill really intervenes to change things. And that is not likely, because usually such people don't see anything wrong with themselves. If anything, they see themselves as far superior to others. * I lean to thinking that the chart may be fairly accurate. Often Taurus Asc (alone/by itself) for women correlates with a definite feminine beauty and attractiveness (often with plenty of curves all around). However, Mars closely conjunct the Asc indicates a masculizing of the features, and Planetary energies are stronger/more concentrated than Sign. She does have a somewhat masculine and hard look to her, and is facially not that attractive (common with such strong Mars in direct relation to the Asc). IP: Logged | |