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Dons2angelss
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posted February 12, 2022 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My very close friend has been dealing with what looks to me like schizophrenia that started about a year ago. Delusions, hearing voices, seeing demons in inanimate objects, 100% believes he's Jesus and the devil both in the flesh, and the list goes on. It's wreaked havoc on his personal life but he refuses to go get help because he knows he'll be hospitalized. I haven't seen anything in his natal or transits that would account for this but, I can see in his progressed chart that uranus has formed a conjunction with saturn in his 1st house. He's absolutely lost his mind and lives in what I imagine just torture. Can mental illness even really be seen through transits or progressions? If so, what do I look for? He has a stellium in 9th house in Leo natally so he's always leaned toward religion as a crutch but this is just on another level and it wasn't always like this. Does anyone have experience with this? I'm not really sure how to help him except just listen and not judge. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
His natal birth time is accurate


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saronna
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posted February 13, 2022 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for saronna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know how to help your friend. You can hear voices & not be schizophrenia. But his beliefs could be delusions & seeing things in objects could be hallucinations. I don't know maybe a psychiatrist & medication will help him. Maybe he is worried about being hospitalized but a psychiatrist can diagnose him & put him on medication without being hospitalized. You can see things in objects & not be schizophrenia & his beliefs could be his beliefs & what he really believes & not delusions & hallucinations. I don't know I have been in hospital more than 11 times & it has been my 12th house in Pisces since March 2007 & all the hospital's have been good & helps with medication. I'm on 3 month injection depot palperidone for schizophrenia & it helps me to know my mind & what's real. Bankstown community mental health have applied for a CTO community treatment order & I have a social worker case worker

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posted February 13, 2022 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds to me like it is a combo of 3 different things going on at the same time: 1. he is more sensitive, psychically, than the average as indicated by certain patterns in his chart. 2. a chemical-body imbalance of some kind, and 3. sort of goes back to 1 to some extent, in that he is likely being fooked with by negative nonphysicals and/or ET's and he is more susceptible to that because of the psychic receptivity/sensitivity.

The latter happens more than most realize. It is why I am very careful and discerning with what I believe when it comes to psychically gotten data/info.* Even though I'm very aware that such negative beings, groups, and levels exist and take specific guards against being influenced by or connected to in relation to them, even with that, I can often feel them try to worm their way in with half truths, distortions, lies, and the like.

Why, because the human body is a slow vibratory field that resonates FAR BETTER and more automatically with THEM, then it does with real guidance, especially Expanded Guidance i.e. the very Universal, purely Creative Forces (these not being your average, everyday guides and the like, but Co-Creator types that are completely consciously One with Source and the Whole).

I'm not religious, but I've found from experience, going within, and communicating with guidance (as well as being led to some outer sources that I've come to deeply respect) that when a person is having problems with psychopathic nonphysicals and/or ET's, one of the best resources to call on is the being that has been labeled Arch Angel Michael. For whatever reason, it seems to be his job to protect and shield humans from such negative forces and beings.

* One of the "filters" I use is a multiple verification process. For example, on very, very important issues and topics, I have to get at least a few different data points which include information gotten within--preferably through dreams, respected and verified professional intuitives, and synchroncity's (whether with others or life process). If there is a lack of such holistic verification, then I hold that perception very lightly and skeptically.

Oh, and one of the most favorite targets for negative entities to mess with humans if they can't get to them in more major ways of getting them to harm others or self in obvious, overt ways? Get them to believe that they were connected to various famous/well known figures from history. A few reasons for this. Not particularly hard to do in a percentage of cases. It puffs up their targets/marks ego (which resonates them better to the negative source/force), and if the person is short sighted enough to talk openly and publicly about these connections it quickly and easily discredits them in most people's eyes, even if the person does also have things of worth to say.

Btw, a great example of how real guidance tends to work. Edgar Cayce spent most of his life being fairly obsessed with Yeshua. Edgar started to receive a lot of past life information about his own past life history, I think in his mid 40's or so.

But it wasn't until his mid 60's that guidance started to come through about his own past life with Yeshua. When his source was asked, why hadn't this information been given earlier, his guidance replied simply, directly, and pragmatically that if it had been given earlier, there would have been too much of a puffing up of ego. Edgar and his ego just wasn't ready for that information earlier on. He had to grow/mature to a certain point first.

Anti-guidance on the other hand does the exact opposite, and tries to puff up the human ego as much as is possible. Btw, Edgar's source/guidance, was constantly asked by many, "who am I speaking to, who is the source?", etc, etc

They rarely answered to the satisfaction of the humans by giving names. Often they answered with a generic line of, we are the Universal forces or something to that effect. Why? Because they didn't want to feed human's obsessions with names, status, nor need to put things into little boxes.

This is one of the reasons why I don't trust a lot of channeled material out there, because so much of it is connected to one entity who is more than happy to not only give a name, but to repeat same over and over again. This does not speak to me of the higher, Universal forces that try to minimize ego and ego type reactions.

And there is quite a plethora out there if one looks, Seth, Kyron, at least 2 "Ra's", Ramtha, Abraham, etc, etc the list is quite long. Lot's of 5 minutes of fame.

Very, very occasionally, Cayce's source would name itself or parts of itself, but there was often a deeper reason or reasons behind that. And sometimes it was completely unmistakable that another being and level was being directly channeled through (Edgar rarely did direct, "classic channeling"). One of those exceptions was Arch Angel Michael, who blasted through on occasion.

There was usually a small group with Edgar when he gave readings, and every time Michael came through, EVERYONE in that room was powerfully affected and noted that the atmosphere changed and became crackling with raw, intense, powerful energy that was palpable.

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posted February 13, 2022 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saronna, if he believes he is Jesus and the devil, then yes, he and his beliefs are delusional. There is no logically debating that. Chances are extremely, extremely unlikely for him to be Jesus. Chances are extremely, extremely unlikely for him to be the devil.

But to be both at the same time? Literally impossible as they are two different beings and of a complete 180 opposite nature. Yeshua is pure Light and devil is complete absence of Light.

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saronna
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posted February 13, 2022 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for saronna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I told my psychiatrist when I was first admitted to hospital & police scheduled for world water contamination about water contamination & psychiatrist in hospital diagnosed me as schizophrenia. & people following me & taking pictures on mobiles & all the surveillance equipment & statilites they used. I'm on medication for managing soulmate game it becomes to much when I don't go on medication. I feel better on medication & on six months community treatment order

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posted February 13, 2022 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for saronna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We all think we are Jesus & devil in soulmate game but you know the difference between virtual reality game & reality

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GalacticCoreExplosionV2
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posted February 13, 2022 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In a loose, symbolic sense Saronna, most of us have a little bit of Jesus in us mixed in with a little bit of the devil, because we all have a mix of some Light attunement and some absence of Light attunement.

This is like probably around 98% or so of humans. A percentage of those who are not in that, are hard core psychopaths, and a very, very small percentage of others who are not, are very, very mature Souls that are very near Jesus's consciousness level--but even these have some ego if they are connected to a dense, physical human body. That ego part of the body in a sense, takes away some attunement to the Light almost automatically.

Even in Jesus, we see a difference in him between his pre resurrection and post resurrection state. The difference being that in the former, he was still connected to a physical human body and later on, after his body's death etc, he "upgraded" the form and was no longer of the world and the physical. But like a pure translation of consciousness into the physical. In computer terms, he became a direct download of data.

Btw, glad to hear that you have and are getting some help Saronna.

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posted February 13, 2022 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Dons2Angels, my brother has been diagnosed with schizophrenia and I know how difficult it is to help someone who doesn’t want to be helped or doesn’t see there is anything wrong in the first place. So a big hug from me to you.

You can be genetically sensitive to schizophrenia and it can be triggered by the use of drugs. Usually symptoms start during puberty but it can take a lot longer before people go off the rails and are finally diagnosed. Drugs can also cause a mental state that causes delusions that look like schizophrenia. In his chart, I see he has Neptune square the nodes. Does he have issues with drugs or addiction?

Schizophrenia has a relation to PTSD. People with PTSD can also experience delusions as a result from their trauma. I see he has a difficult t-square with Scorpio Pluto at the apex square his Aquarius Moon and Leo Mercury. Perhaps this is all triggered by transit Uranus in Taurus. Unfortunately Uranus is slow moving.

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kani
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posted February 13, 2022 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always wonder whether schizophrenia is in fact being super sensitive and receptive to the spirit world but rationally at odds with it at the same time.

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saronna
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posted February 13, 2022 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for saronna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GC I agree his beliefs that he is Jesus & the devil is a delusion. I don't know what his other beliefs & if they are a delusion

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posted February 13, 2022 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by kani:
I always wonder whether schizophrenia is in fact being super sensitive and receptive to the spirit world but rationally at odds with it at the same time.

I'm not an expert in this area by any means, but when I have tuned into folks with these issues, those same 3 causes/issues that I mentioned earlier are what comes up most, which yes, does include a stronger than average to hyper psychic sensitivity.

I'll mention my psychic astro list for folks, especially any newbies:

The most psychic-intuitive Planets in order from most to less so are Neptune, Jupiter, Uranus, Pluto, and Moon.

The most psychic-intuitive Signs in order from most to less so are Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn-Scorpio or Scorpio-Capricorn (close call, hard to tell), Cancer, and Sagittarius.

The most psychic oriented Houses from most to less so are 12th, 8th, and 9th (most connected to precognition and dreams).

When these 3 different groups all interact together and are highlighted in the traditional ways whether Natally and/or Transit wise (like Angular, strong aspects to Angle rulers, etc), then do we tend to see an increased psychic sensitivity beyond the average/norm probable.

If someone has a pretty damped down psychic chart, but if say they start to meditate a lot and consistently, or they start doing certain types of Entheogens (for a couple examples), they can increase psychic sensitivity. Major body imbalances like tumors on or near endocrine glands can also cause changes in these areas.

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posted February 13, 2022 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My half brother deals with these kinds of issues.

For him, it is very much a holistic case of all 3 of those factors interacting to create a mess of a psyche.

First, he was always a very picky, stubborn eater, and basically is and has always been a junk food junkie. You cannot fill your body with non foods like french fries, hot dogs, hamburgers, fried chips, etc, day in and day out over years and not experience negative effects. His body is chronically over acid and over toxified.

Part of what led to his issues. It got worse after he got into a major car accident and came close to dying. As I sat in the hospital, praying and meditating for him and sending him healing energy, our passed mother started to tell me that he had the choice to stay or leave. I guess his soul ended up choosing to stay.

More psychic than the average as indicated by his Scorp Sun very closely cusping Sag, Cap Moon conjunct Cap Uranus and Neptune, etc.

And he is definitely being fooked with by psychopathic, non humans. Besides the above issues, he is more susceptible to this, because he had a very difficult/stressful childhood and lacks a lot of self love/acceptance. That and he drinks and does drugs.

Not a good combo, all of the above. He would need a complete revamp and transformation of everything in his life to become balanced again, but that is very hard for humans to do when they are that far gone down the path of imbalance.

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posted February 13, 2022 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If he is born in 1987, he is about 35 year old now, and schizophrea usually strikes people in their teens or early 20s. At 35, that is unusually late age for this type of mental illness to strike, so I am wondering if there are not other things at play such as substance abuse which can alter the brain chemistry and triggered this illness. I know people who became schizophrenic due to substance abuse.

That being said, and I am open to the idea that certain people go through experiences where their mind is able to get on certain spirit wavelengths and pick up certain entities, the way we turn a dial button and hear different channels on our radio. Some people are born with this ability. Others may develop it over time. Our modernized culture does not really have a way to help people deal with this, but many very ancient cultures understood it and knew how to help people going through this. In those cultures, communication with spirit was normalized. Many such people became shamans or healers.

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posted February 13, 2022 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking at his chart, what jumps at me is:

His loaded 9th house. Which makes sense.

His Pluto sort of on the ascendant, sort of in the 12th house. Pluto 12th house makes sense to me.

Said Pluto which is also his chart ruler natally squares his moon. When I see someone with a hard aspect of Pluto and moon, I feel for them because this is one hell of an aspect to have, where the person experiences the cataclysmic pain of dying many times in their life journey.

Pluto in hard aspect to the moon gives the feeling of always fighting dark forces, or dealing with frightening dark forces.

As with everything in astrology, you cannot predict just looking at a chart that the person will be experiencing schizophrenia, but once this is happening, you can find in the chart factors that explain that this is the way the energies are expressing themselves for the person.

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posted February 13, 2022 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dons2angels,

No single transit will push anyone into this. Look for an aggregate of stressful transits overlapping.

Also, the outer planets Uranus, Neptune, Pluto are involved in mental illness like this, particularly when they involved a mash of spiritual concepts with ego. Grandiosity also indicates Jupiter was almost certainly involved. Some people just don't handle the outer planet energies very well when they are in strong overlapping transits with Jupiter.

Other transits at work a year ago:
- Neptune quincunx natal Mars.
- Neptune square natal Saturn, always challenging to health, especially mental health.
- Neptune square natal Uranus, especially hard on the mind and a test of personal ideals and conceptualism.
- Uranus opposite natal Pluto & square natal Moon.
- Saturn conjunct natal Moon.

- Uranus square natal Mercury & Venus.
- Saturn parallel natal Mercury.
- Jupiter opposite natal Sun & square natal Asc (as depicted here).

Still ongoing and applying:
- Pluto (22.3° south) parallel natal Moon (23S19). This is a long-term transit. He's going to continue having trouble unless he gets help to stabilize and process psychologically what brought him to this point.

Can you see how these create a perfect storm for a mental health crisis?

Nothing needs to be moving through the 12th house itself. The Saturn & Uranus transits to natal Moon are enough to create mental stress and possible mental health issues for a lot of people. More so for someone who was more susceptible.

That 1:30 pm time is unlikely to give an exactly correct Asc, but Asc in mid-Scorpio could've been getting the transit of Uranus opposite/contra-parallel it. One year ago Uranus was at 7°07' Taurus, 13N29 declination. That's just within range of active transit opposite the 13°39' figure shown in the chart here. When there is a sudden break from any health or previously established pattern, Uranus transits are almost always involved, but I think the other transits by Uranus are enough, especially to natal Moon.

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posted February 14, 2022 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does he have extremes of emotions? A sort of bipolar personality that is unstable?

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posted February 14, 2022 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for saronna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio are emotional water signs 12th house pluto can be extreme emotions & unstable. I didn't know bipolar are extreme emotions & unstable

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posted February 14, 2022 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for saronna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was 36 when I was diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2007 late diagnosis 12 house Pisces experience mental institution

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posted February 15, 2022 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That stelium in leo opposite moon and square saturn and pluto is ooooof, that much tension could go in a lot of different directions


rates of schizophrenia btw are highest in those born in the fall, oct, nov, dec, in the northern hemisphere, the exact reason for this is still unknown

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posted February 18, 2022 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whoa thank you all so much for the responses! I apologize for it taking me so long to reply. It's been an absolute exhausting week.

I talked to him again, I've been keeping my distance some, and yes, he was doing methamphetamines before this started. That shocked me because I watched this man kick heroin many years ago and hasn't touched it since. He refuses. I'm thinking with all of those hard aspects Kannon pointed out a year ago and his already addictive personality spelled disaster for him and he went down a horrible rabbit hole. I'm one of the only people he trusts right now because when the "voices" are turning him against people, they can't seem to say anything negative about me.so he's telling me things he hasn't told others. His delusions and yes they 100% are delusions, swing from very high and positive to extremely low and terrifying. Much like bipolar w/psychosis. I've known him for many many years and he was never like this. Struggling with addiction yes, but nothing like this. His logical mind is gone and I'm just hoping that he'll get the help he desperately needs. He was the epitome of a Leo stellium, so happy and joyful, giving and super friendly with a massive heart.

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