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Topic: Sun is describing your father, not you?
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Librapurr
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posted March 23, 2022 01:01 PM
  
I heard an astrologist said that. To see how a man is you need to look at his children Sun and Mars. And Sun is describing your father not you.
I don’t think my Sun is describing my father, not me.
What do you think?
Also, if two children have completely opposite placements?IP: Logged |
saronna
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posted March 23, 2022 02:15 PM
My sister & me have mars in Aquarius & she has Pisces sun & I have Gemini sun. & my other sister mars in libra & Scorpio sun. I'm not sure what that says about my father he's a natural communicater creative & unique unconventional? IP: Logged |
Librapurr
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posted March 23, 2022 04:33 PM
My Virgo mars would fit somewhat more to my father as he likes rules and work. Sun - I don’t see. IP: Logged |
Librapurr
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posted March 23, 2022 05:13 PM
That astrologist talked about Leo Sun Mars man who might want to appear as a macho man, but in reality he is nicer and mother’s boy. Because his daughter is Pisces Sun. And she sees him as Pisces. And that Leo guy’s father is influential and powerful. So his father is described by his Leo Sun Mars, and he is more Pisces in private life.IP: Logged |
etherealsaturn
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posted March 24, 2022 03:59 PM
My father shows through my Capricorn sun through how much he worked and how seriously he took it. He was also the disciplinary when my siblings and I were kids, but that changed quite a bit as we got older. How does this work with siblings with different sun signs?IP: Logged |
Gracha
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posted March 24, 2022 04:21 PM
I agree but as a woman I do feel that my sun fit my personality as well. But I do see many similarities with my dad in this. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted March 25, 2022 01:19 AM
I tend to recognize Moon/ Mars far quicker than I do the Sun ime. And since we all don't walk around knowing the Asc placement, one can't verify this position consistently.But I do think that we are all layered and multidimensional people and not barred by one planet. And that the Sun is also a part of that "collective". In my case, I notice my personality as the Sun. I think of the Sun position and its aspects as the priorities one has I.e. what one sees as "self actualization" in this life and very vital to their life force/vitality. Mutable Sun signs ime are consistently versatile and "chameonlike" people.The variety of experiences is very important-as those experiences tend to impact on them and have them look at life in a different perspective each time. With mutable,there is no fixed sense of "I am" but rather an open-ended rhetorical " Could I be?" And life opens them up to the exploration of the possibilities. Letting them figure out what they are "NOT". But not necessarily asserting what they "ARE". Fixed Sun signs ime (on the contrary) don't like to "adjust" to anything and usually don't. There is more assertion on the "I am" and staying true to whatever that "I am" to them is. Standing ones ground is important. Or there is resistance to being externally influenced or shifted in any way. Cardinals I have not figured out yet. Work in progress 🤔 IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted March 25, 2022 06:20 AM
I don’t see any connection to my father and my Taurus Sun. Like the others, I do see a connection to my Cancer Mars conjunct Saturn and my father. He had a serious temper but he did become more mellow as he grew older. To me it seems like he grew more into his own Pisces Sun and was less driven by his Aries Moon. I notice this development in myself as well. I’m less driven by my anxious and perfectionist Virgo Moon and growing more into my easy going Taurus Sun. IP: Logged |
thingsgoneby
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posted March 25, 2022 09:01 AM
I would say: absolutely not. But that's just how I view the natal chart so some might disagree. It's a map describing you. Not so much your environment. My father is very much not related to Gemini in any form - I am though. To a high degree.I also have an unaspected Sun which I've read describes an absent father and that couldn't be further from the truth either in my case. Can't say the "Sun representing the father theory" would hold true for friends either. That's my two cents!  IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted March 25, 2022 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
I don’t see any connection to my father and my Taurus Sun. Like the others, I do see a connection to my Cancer Mars conjunct Saturn and my father. He had a serious temper but he did become more mellow as he grew older. To me it seems like he grew more into his own Pisces Sun and was less driven by his Aries Moon. I notice this development in myself as well. I’m less driven by my anxious and perfectionist Virgo Moon and growing more into my easy going Taurus Sun.
Is your Taurus Sun in aspect to Pluto/Mars or Uranus? IP: Logged |
MoonMystic
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posted March 25, 2022 10:47 AM
Yes. Our luminaries are often used by specific studies as the parents. Mother = Moon. Father = Sun.My mother is an Aqua rising, my Moon came from her. My father is the Leo. My Sun opposite Leo. He was not in my life and these luminaries are cnj in my third house. He represents my Heliocentric Earth+Moon. The two of them show up in my communication style. He a very deep occult researcher, She a wise student - I've adopted from these two in my chart .. the older I became, the more of these qualities were defined. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted March 25, 2022 11:03 AM
The Sun is your ego but it is also your father and your relationship with him. Your father is one of the biggest factors in your ego strength of lack of ego strength------------------
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Librapurr
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posted March 25, 2022 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Your father is one of the biggest factors in your ego strength of lack of ego strength
I could see my parents influence on my ego and errors in it. As my Sun is debilitated. On one side, I was told to be humble. It seemed like my father saw me more arrogant. And my parents wanted me to be more social,but not to go to party and stand out. On the other side, I was expected to achieve something and to be compared with more successful people .And many other contradictions.
What fits my confused Sun in Fall. “Be like everybody, but not like everybody. Achieve something, but not to stand out” 🤔 I
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Librapurr
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posted March 25, 2022 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
Yes. Our luminaries are often used by specific studies as the parents. Mother = Moon. Father = Sun.My mother is an Aqua rising, my Moon came from her. My father is the Leo. My Sun opposite Leo. He was not in my life and these luminaries are cnj in my third house. He represents my Heliocentric Earth+Moon. The two of them show up in my communication style. He a very deep occult researcher, She a wise student - I've adopted from these two in my chart .. the older I became, the more of these qualities were defined.
I know couple Aqua Suns and Aqua moon, their fathers are missing or very detached. My Sun is opposite my mother Sun. Maybe, she is more father’s figure for me… IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted March 25, 2022 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by Librapurr:
I know couple Aqua Suns and Aqua moon, their fathers are missing or very detached. My Sun is opposite my mother Sun. Maybe, she is more father’s figure for me…
Dad has Pluto opp Sun. My thinking is that his relationship with his dad may not have been a walk in the park. He has Aqua Sun. And his Dad left his Mom. He has Cap Moon/Mars conj which suggests a Mom that was not very affectionate. She probably had to be assertive and brave because she was raising boys(Dad comes from a boy dominated household). I have Moon/Mars square.Same story. Mom had to be the provider of the family because Step Dad(Sun in Sag conj Nep) was too busy chasing skirts and being an absentee father. StepDad never grew up IP: Logged |
StoneMoon
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posted March 25, 2022 05:24 PM
I am Cancer Sun opposite Cap "Moon. I feel my dad represents Capricorn much more than Cancer. He valued financial security as his input as a parent, and is very reserved and unemotional, not emotionally available at all. My mother does represent Cancer Sun I guess in the sense that she took great pride in being the maternal force and staying at home to provide all our needs. He's a Scorpio Sun, and my rising is Scorpio. My sisters moon is Scorpio... so there it is reiterated again... our dad is more represented by our moons. IP: Logged |
StoneMoon
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posted March 25, 2022 05:24 PM
I am Cancer Sun opposite Cap "Moon. I feel my dad represents Capricorn much more than Cancer. He valued financial security as his input as a parent, and is very reserved and unemotional, not emotionally available at all. My mother does represent Cancer Sun I guess in the sense that she took great pride in being the maternal force and staying at home to provide all our needs. He's a Scorpio Sun, and my rising is Scorpio. My sisters moon is Scorpio... so there it is reiterated again... our dad is more represented by our moons. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted March 25, 2022 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Is your Taurus Sun in aspect to Pluto/Mars or Uranus?
No, my Sun is at 18Taurus and only has a wide conjunction to South Node 13Taurus and Jupiter 10Taurus. I also have Vesta 21Taurus and Pallas 14Taurus. There are no other aspects to my Sun. I even checked declinations but no parallels either. I do have an 8th house Sun. IP: Logged |
StoneMoon
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posted March 25, 2022 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The Sun is your ego but it is also your father and your relationship with him. Your father is one of the biggest factors in your ego strength of lack of ego strength
This makes sense. Cancer Sun. Lack of connection with my dad, though he is a kind man, has left me seeking my own strength and confidence. I have strength, lots of it, but it took years to see this. As I see Cancer being indirect, and wanting to side step certain things or come at things from less direct angles... this makes sense. Dad never addressed his role with us. He left it to my Mom and he preferred to just be in the periphery. If he did have to step in, it was to be heavy handed and lay down the law. He's a sweet man, but very unable to make a connection with his children or grandchildren.
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Dons2angelss
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posted March 25, 2022 06:55 PM
My sun is in my 12th house in Taurus, widely conjunct chiron and venus(both also in 12th house). My father was a Pisces with a water heavy chart and a strong Neptune. He passed when I was 16 from a heroin overdose. My sun placement describes that perfectly. I was much closer with my father than my sister, I lived in a different state with our father, she lived with our mother. Her chart is drastically different than my own. IP: Logged |
Sauerkraut
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posted March 26, 2022 12:01 AM
makes sense that siblings would have different views of the same person, as experience is subjective and parental treatment could also be dissimilar with each native. personality is interconnected with family dynamics, where nature and nurture become convoluted.holds true for me and my brother. my aries sun is in the 4th, square nessus, sesqui-quadrate saturn. my dad was aggressively violent with me, but not with my brother. was unreasonably strict with me because of sex/gender. he lived in fear that i would run off and get pregnant like his younger sister. even with the violence, i still questioned everything and spoke up, which p*ssed him off even more. unfortunate cycle. (ancestral karmic link broken and healed during transit chiron conjunct my sun) my brother has taurus sun in the 10th. he saw my dad as the disciplinary and didnt question anything, even when he disagreed. he was allowed to be the boy my dad envisioned him to be, under his rules. rules that were probably not horrible for him since they have the same sun sign. my dad has taurus sun conjunct nessus. not sure about mars.. will have to look into it more. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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posted March 26, 2022 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by Librapurr:
I heard an astrologist said that. To see how a man is you need to look at his children Sun and Mars. And Sun is describing your father not you.
Well, clearly they were wrong. Sun as a stand-alone symbol is male/masculine/father. But in your birth horoscope it is your core energy. quote:
... Also, if two children have completely opposite placements?
Exactly. That cannot be reconciled with the aforementioned astrologist's opinion. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted March 26, 2022 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
No, my Sun is at 18Taurus and only has a wide conjunction to South Node 13Taurus and Jupiter 10Taurus. I also have Vesta 21Taurus and Pallas 14Taurus. There are no other aspects to my Sun. I even checked declinations but no parallels either. I do have an 8th house Sun.
That's very intersting. Because that usually sticks out like a sore thumb. Maybe looking at the MC/IC axis? Any Mars/Pluto or Uranus in aspect there? Because the IC/MC axis(ime) often represents our upbringing and situations in the home front. The 2nd house too. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted March 26, 2022 04:03 AM
Parents are a big influence in our life and looking at the traditional roles, I can see how our father can have a big impact on our ego and core identity. But I agree with Sauerkraut that it most likely depends on family dynamics. In a lot of ways I don’t identify with my parents at all. Other people often notice the big differences in lifestyle too. My parents had their Leo Pluto square my Taurus Sun, they felt their authority was threatened by me and tried to sabotage my self esteem but it only made me more determined to follow my own path. I think that is reflected by the position of my Sun in my natal chart with no aspects other than the wide conjunctions with Vesta, Pallas, South Node and Jupiter.IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere
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posted March 26, 2022 04:19 AM
@Aries23Degrees, I just noticed your reaction after my new post. Mars is my most elevated planet and is parallel my MC together with my Mercury. My fathers temper definitely impacted the way I handle anger myself but also the way I view men in general. I have a Libra Rising and I have my Chiron in Aries H7. My 7th house ruler Mars is in Cancer. Men that are openly aggressive and identify that with masculinity are not attractive to me.EDIT: I realized you also had a remark about 2nd House. I have my Scorpio Uranus in my H2. IP: Logged |
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