posted April 11, 2022 12:21 PM            

And I just see something in my husband chart.

He has: Saturn conjunct Mars-Pluto midpoint. And all that malfic planets under Scorpio sign (he Scorpio dominant too, the most percentage % in his chart). His Saturn in Scorpio, Mars in Scorpio and Pluto in Scorpio too.

Saturn conjunct Mars-Pluto midpoint.

So I read around, and it said that means rather he is an abuser or will become an abuser. and can be violent too.

What exactly is Saturn conjunct Mars-Pluto midpoint means in astrology? What is Mars-Pluto midpoint" thing?

posted April 11, 2022 08:57 PM            

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Ebertin says the Ma/Pl midpoint is (dramatically):

General principle: power (force, brutality)

Psychological correspondence:
[+] the ability to demonstrate extraordinary force and vigor, great self-confidence, working without break, great ambition

[-] the attainment of one's objectives by means of ruthlessness to others, brutality, cruelty

Saturn = Mars/Pluto: A person unafraid of hard work, leaving no stone unturned in the pursuit of a particular task, the desire to overcome difficulties and obstacles forcibly.

Niemann & Cooper: Mars/Pluto

Well-adjusted behavioural manifestations — Direct, straight-forward, ambitious, diligent, hardworking. Sexual, persistent, confident, organized. Leadership, athletic, passionate, will power. Attacks crises with determination, moral.

Possible personality problems — The ends justify the means, Unduly aggressive, physical, foolhardy, cruel, coercive. Vindictive, destructive, sexual extremes (lust, celibacy). Cunning, scheming, sly, restricting one's or another's freedom, boisterous, dictatorial, deceitful.

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posted April 12, 2022 08:43 AM            

With Saturn=Mars/Plu midpoint, it may suggest that the native has incredible self control.

Beneath that veneer of restraint, are reserves of boundless energy. It's like a dormant volcanoe underneath an old , industrial town.

Nothing much happens, then one day. Boom!! The explosion underneath makes that town the news of the decade🤷🏿‍♂️

Where is Saturn? This could be where there is a slow but sure push towards an eventuality. Something that has been built slowly and carefully for MANY years underground.

So if there is a trans to Sat (typically Pluto), all that momentum towards that project comes to fruition and rises to the surface. This for better or worse 🤷🏿‍♂️

posted April 12, 2022 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by married11years:
So yours is Pluto-Saturn midpoint conjunct Mars? You wrote: "Pluto and Saturn conjunct Mars", which two planet is the midpoint?

Well that different isn't it? His is Saturn conjunct Pluto-Mars midpoint.

I don't know what to explain to him about his Saturn conjunct his Pluto-Mars midpoint, he doesn't believe in astrology. He views always been, he said it 'his fate is in his own hand, he control his life, his fate and even when and how he going to he die', Lol.

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posted April 12, 2022 11:51 AM            

And that Sat/Mars in 5th suggests that he may(in an extreme case) have some masochistic/sadist traits I.e. he finds some kind of enjoyment/pleasure associated with controlled (Sat)violence (Mars).

posted April 13, 2022 03:53 AM            

Yes, Sat in Sco likes control.Perhaps to make up for the Plu in 4th house sense of being "vulnerable to being controlled" in the environment he grew up in?

Sco's biggest lesson is to cede some of the control. Because their insistance in being in control all the time is because they don't TRUST. That is the issue.

They don't trust enough to he vulnerable. Enough to be open. Trust that everything will work itself out. Absolute control (up to the point of playing "God") is important.

If there is a temper flare up with your husband. It's likely to be big. And with you being on this site to ask about it,suggests to me that you are already feeling the underlying energy of it. This no matter how he tries to "control" it.

Peaceful people allow for expression of emotion(including anger).Because they know that anger is part and parcel of who they are . And that it's necessary to "let off steam" now and then.

People who are afraid of getting angry or acknowledging their anger(however) can silently rage for years before finally exploding.

It's either they associate the expression of anger as a part of their trauma in childhood(either a parent or a circumstance) that they wish to distance themselves from with a "I never want that to be me".

But what happens is that the anger doesn't just "disappear".It goes undergound. And can cause serious health issues.

It's funny because Mars-Saturn conj (especially in Sco) suggests an inferno. An explosion, deep hot fiery incidences that are " all engulfing".

Tyson Beckford was involved in such an accident that involved his truck catching flames.He nearly burned to death.

On that day,trans Mars was square his natal Sun. But also trans Sat in Can was trine trans Mars. The trine is an easy aspect. So the flame (Mars) was hard to put out because it was supported by steady Sat in Cancer.

He probably is very careful at work. But I would add that (given his chart) he should be mindful that any accident or incident he gets involved in,will be very hard to recover from.That's the Sat-Mars mix.

So if it's an explosive incident, it'll be difficult to contain. If it's a fire, he might be the most injured (3rd degree burns). That's the way the energy can manifest externally when rage is suppressed.

I would adise him to express his true feelings and desist trying to be Mr. Cool , calm and collected. Sometimes if a situation calls for a vent of frustration . Go for it.

Mars-Saturn has a way of coming out(when heavily suppressed) that is ugly. Ever watched the movie "Falling down" with Michael Douglas ? (The actor himself has a wide Sat-Mars natal square interestingly enough).

Or followed the stories of kids involved in mass shootings in school? That's Plu-Saturn anger expressed externally.