posted May 06, 2022 01:53 AM            

and here the list of world BILLIONAIRS (#1 and #2 MOST billionaires rank are Air and Water sign, not Fire sign): https://www.businessinsider.com/zodiac-signs-with-the-most-billionaires-2019-4

My childhood friend. Guess what? She is a Surgeon. Who say she not successful in life? And look at her chart, she has the most perfect chart, basically ALL Conjunctions, Trines, and Sextile.

Stellium in Scorpio. Her Mars? Exalted Mars in Capricorn!

Just look at her chart aspects, the blue lines, it like the most odd looking but perfect chart. I guess those Scorpio really get her going. And the exalted Mars.

Has anyone seen a chart like this? I was amaze at the shape of her chart. Both me and my husband and her we all same age group (born same year). The year 1984 really has alot of Scorpio running around, was the year of Scorpio Mars Conjunction Scorpio Saturn too, and it only happen once in every 30 years.

And look at all those Conjunctions in the sign of Scorpio happened in the sky, the date she born. I credit her success to all those Scorpio and her exalted Mars.
So don't underestimate Scorpio just because they a water sign, and Capricorn her chart ruler. my childhood friend is an example of success. Her chart say it.

ETA: Question has been answer, so I remove my friend chart. Thank you so so much.

posted May 06, 2022 02:11 AM            

for him it's part of a leo stellium though in western (cancer stellium in vedic) suns/mercury/mars

his moon is in the 11th with rahu saturn is in his 5th with ketu, jupiter in his 8th, he has a 1st house venus

a lot of charts in the later half of the year are grouped together like that, very typical of fall/winter charts especially to have that shape

i'm mainly familiar with his vedic btw since it's the system he uses

posted May 06, 2022 02:15 AM            

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Originally posted by married11years:
Nahh Dumuzi, I tried it already, got o Astrodienst and try it, I try September, November, December, NONE have a chart like her. You more than welcome to post your friend chart and let see how your friend chart look like.

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i've seen many charts over the years and plenty of them have stelliums, i've seen them for signs other than scorpio too so that's why i said what i did

posted May 06, 2022 02:18 AM            

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Originally posted by married11years:
I challenge anyone here can show a chart that look like my friend chart. Not everyone born in the end of the year November, December has this chart shape. If that the case then everyone born in the last 3 months of the year ALL are surgeons then.

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that's not how it works, two people can be born on the same day and not do the same ****

twins can die in different years and have different lives

posted May 06, 2022 02:19 AM            

Again, Astrodienst said she LACK fire. Her chart SCREAM Scorpio. Not one single fire sign Venus.

posted May 06, 2022 02:20 AM            

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Originally posted by married11years:
I'm sorry, ONE personal planet in fire is not much when you have 8 others planets in water.
Astrodienst said she LACK fire, and I trust Astrodienst.
And I said lack, not void.

It is the Scorpio Stellium and the exalted Mars that is her success, NOT a Venus. It your Mars that is your drive to get things done in your life, not your Venus. You learn astrology you should know this.

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my only comment was that a first house fire venus is not "lacking in fire"

and my further point was that there are many combinations that equal surgeon, and i know because i know a surgeon guy i'm really close to who reads charts and has a very different one himself

you're being rude and i don't appreciate it

posted May 06, 2022 03:05 AM            

https://astro-charts.com/persons/chart/elon-musk/

This RICHEST man in the world chart is a Cancer Sun, ALL water and air, ZERO planets in fire sign in his personal planets. Astrodienst said it too, personal planets do NOT fall in a fire sign.

Elon Musk:
Sun in Cancer
Moon in Virgo
Mercury in Cancer
Venus in Gemini
Mars in Aquarius
Jupiter in Scorpio
Saturn in Gemini
Uranus in Libra
Neptune Sagittarius
Pluto in Virgo

Only a generational planet Neptune in Sagittarius.

So again, this prove it, LACK fire (in fact VOID fire in personal planets) man right here, but the RICHEST man in the world.

So actually this example is better than my childhood friend example.

posted May 06, 2022 03:07 AM            

people have actual elemental voids with 0 personal planets in something (venus is a personal planet) that's an actual "lack"

that's a water heavy chart but there is no lack of fire and literally your post was about fire not being present in a chart

never said her venus was the reason she was a surgeon, only said that it means she isn't someone lacking fire (and i doubt her fire is at 0% here, it's just weak but still there)

i was telling you the surgeon i know's chart and where he had some similarity (which is only a 2nd house mars and venus on his ascendant) and we've discussed some of his coworker's charts and many of them seem to have 8th house **** (he has jupiter there) but 12th also works due to its nature and hospital association

he has no 12th himself though

posted May 06, 2022 03:09 AM            

But I show you an example of the world richest billionaire, and he doesn't have any fire in his personal planets.

So we can make peace now, for English not my native language. Is English your native language? Your English is very good!!

Trust me sis, I was SHOCK when I find out the world richest billionaire has signs of Cancer and Pisces. Pisces? Lol. This was a shock to me I be honest with you. Didn't traditional astrology said Pisces are doom to be poor in their fate? But look at the BILLIONAIRS who in Pisces sign.

posted May 06, 2022 03:41 AM            

If you know her, you see she doesn't show her fire Sagittarius Venus traits at all. She nerve come across as a "fire" woman. What she show was her Scorpio, and especially the "earth" trait Capricorn in her for some reason.

And guess what her husband sign? He a Capricorn! Haha. I guess it true that in a woman chart look at their Mars sign, it will show the type of men that she find the trait attractive.

Yep, I text her in China said can I post her chart as an example she said yes, that why I posted it because I have her okay. and oh, sorry I just notice I forget to select the gender on Astrodienst, so it was in male, but she female.

And what "probably more at ease with the less pleasant side of life" means? She not at ease being poor/unsuccessful? Then it her exalted Mars then, it the Mars that drive her to succeed.

posted May 06, 2022 04:37 AM            

But it SHOCK me how there so many famous celebrities that has NO Fire sign anywhere in their personal planets.

Take example Leonardo DiCaprio. Whom I never like nor find attractive, not even in his prime younger days. And I'm obsess with Scorpio (I have Scorpio Mars myself), I just don't find him attractive for some reason, lol.
Same with Joe Biden (current president of U.S., NO Fire sign anywhere in his personal planets, he full on Scorpio too).

Here his DiCaprico chart: No Fire anywhere in personal planets.
Sun in Scorpio
Moon in Libra
Mercury in Libra
Venus in Scorpio
Mars in Scorpio
Jupiter in Pisces.
Saturn in Cancer.
Uranus in Libra.
Neptune Sagittarius (generational).
Pluto in Libra.

I'm shock. Maybe I should look more at celebrities chart to learn more that there alot of them who are famous celebrities with no fire sign, or lack fire sign.

posted May 06, 2022 09:37 AM            

Often these people may even complain of feeling cold physically or have to actively keep warm.Strong fire people tend to want to stay cool because of sweating too much or feeling like they are "overheating". Sometimes this can also be characterised by rapid blowouts motivated by irritation/anger.

Sometimes Mars/Ura/Sun/Jup/Plu on the angles or a stellium in 5th/1st/9th can substitute for the lack of fire and give them more "va va voom" and passion.

Ura is on the angle in the very "upfront" 1st house.Ura conj Ven(ruler of the 6th house of work). She likes to work in an environment where nothing is straightforward . Is she a highly mental person? Uranus in 1st suggests someone who(by default) recognises complex patterns and can apply their mind to solve problems at the drop of the hat. Life is often seldom predictable for Ura in 1st.

Maybe the environment she works in requires her to be "on her toes" and think quickly or else make provision for last minute changes and adjustments? She herself may find complexity and unpredictability exciting? And it shows up a lot in her everyday job.

3rd house/Merc is what I look at when someone works a lot with their hands. Or their job involves hand /eye coordination or control i.e driving, flying an airplane, laboratory researcher, detailed work etc.

Mercury enjoys good aspects including a sextile with Mars(rules digging,sharp objects and crises-amongst other things). She can apply her mind well under pressure. Add to that ,Pluto aspect to Mercury & Moon which can recognise hidden complexities and obsess about finding solutions. Her job may literally "consume" her life because it's always on her mind.

Saturn rules the 3rd house of Aqua.Saturn conjunct Moon/Mercury.She has a steady hand( and she needs to -given the profession). She remains very calm in stressful situations.

Sat is also sextile AND in mutual reception with Mars. She is unlikely to have accidents involving clumsy hands (unlike me)🤣. Saturn stabilizes things. And Mars is exalted in Cap-strategic & precise.

It's interesting that it is in her 2nd house of the way we make money. Mars is a "risk taker". This especially when next to Jupiter- the gambler. So if she wasn't a surgeon, she probably would be in an equally adrenaline pumping environment.She is drawn to CRISES. Stellium in Scorpio/8th house people are often called to such places of crises or emergencies etc. Or find themselves there time and again 🤷🏿‍♂️

Her Mars is also "out of bounds". This is a woman who goes beyond where others have gone. She likes to break boundaries in as far as risk filled situations are concerned(Mars)

Moon rules the intercepted 8th house in Cancer(house of crises) AND in Scorpio. Mercury rules 10th house(career) in Sco. Saturn rules 3rd house and 2nd house of self-sustenance in Sco.

posted May 06, 2022 09:48 AM            

What her exalted Mars "out of bound" means? She always told me she identify with her Capricorn Mars more than her Sagittarius Venus. She feel very at home with her Capricorn Mars, and you see Capricorn is also her chart ruler.

And her husband is a Capricorn too. Haha. They have no kids, and she not even want kids. As you see she has empty 5th house.

In fact, she told me she never feel the fire Venus in her, with her it the "earth" Capricorn. And the Scorpio ofcourse.

posted May 06, 2022 12:15 PM            

That is where she gets her energy then, from the exalted Mars position which is in mutual reception and positive aspect to Sat. This gives her very strong reserves and a "never give up" attitude.

Interesting to note that John Cena(WWE superstar) has Mars on the Mc(Cancer Asc according to astro.com). And he is known for his athleticism and big physique. He has NO children. And what is his motto? "Never give up".

# in other news

"An 'Out of Bounds' planet is one whose declination exceeds 23:27 degrees from the celestial equator. OOB planets have outstanding qualities and a person with more of them displays creative thinking and sometimes odd behaviour characteristics." -This is from Google.