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AlmaRegulus
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posted May 11, 2022 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What happens if a breakup took place when Mercury was in pre-retrograde shadow?

Would it be revisited?

Any experience with that?

Or Mercury retrograde in general?

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posted May 11, 2022 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Was the break-up imminent OR inevitable?
Mercury retrograde is an opportunity to re-visit and reflect on what we earlier thought was true.

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posted May 11, 2022 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder if the upcoming Luna Eclipse could as well be lit in your combined energies?

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posted May 12, 2022 04:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Basically it started on direct Mercury and became final in pre-retrograde. And the Mercury was then on our Progr. Comp. North Node! It will get on this degree 2 more times.

(PLEASE DON'T QUOTE FURTHER)

It is very hard because he says that he has feelings for me, wants someone like me as his partner, doesn't want to break up but doesn't see a future with me because I'm 8 years older. Earlier he said it didn't matter but apparently it matters very much. He says it matters not for our relationship but for the kids' question. When I suggested we try for a kid now he wasn't into it. And that he wanted 2 kids. So he initially said he was 50-50% about going on but worried if we are wasting time with each other if there's no future. He said it would be a perfect relationship if we were in our 20s. That it was his best and most significant relationship so far and that he liked me more than others he was dating. Then I took offence etc.

I don't know if he was sugarcoating the breakup with the nice words or if he really meant it.

It's a Virgo Moon & Venus guy.

What bothers me is that Progr. Jupiter & Moon, and later Venus were on our Progr. Comp. Antivertex. Tr. Valentine on our Comp. Asc. It should have been something nicer.

Tr. Saturn on our Comp. Antivertex square to Nodes and loosely square to Comp. Saturn (4* separated). And this tr. Saturn is right on his MC. We started dating when tr. Saturn was on our Comp. Asc square to Comp. Venus.

Now Progr. Comp. Moon was square Pluto, it is passing it soon. It will get opposite to Jupiter (on my natal Sun) & on Comp. Asc square to Comp. Venus. But then what to expect when it will square Comp. Saturn?

Our Progr. Comp. Sun is 1* away from my Venus, his Progr. Sun is applying to a sextile to my Venus.

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posted May 12, 2022 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dumuzi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i had a final break up almost 15 years in around eclipses and mercury retrograde

**** happens and stays sometimes

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posted May 16, 2022 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you!

And what happens if people get back together during retrograde Mercury?

Or is it better when Mercury is direct again?

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posted May 16, 2022 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Alma, I'm sorry, I know you were worried about this. *hugs*

Especially with Mercury being the ruler of his Sun and Venus, I'm sure he's more sensitive to the retrograde, even in shadow phases, and that accounts for his changing mind and indecision. I highly doubt the reason he gave was the real reason, because probably he doesn't know the real reason. His inconsistency reads to me as inner confusion.

I also think tPluto square pcMoon is at play. I'm not sure what to advise about pcMoon square cSaturn other than the obvious testing of commitment.

I would wait and see. I'd wait out Mercury Rx until it's fully out of its post-Rx shadow, and when the Pluto square is no longer in effect. Focus on yourself.

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posted May 17, 2022 05:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you dear Sashavittoria!

Yeah I'm holding myself hard not to contact him. He just sent a meme a week after and I replied with a smiley.

I am quite surprised that you think it was not the real reason? so you think this reason is not serious enough? To me it seems serious and unsurmountable...

He is a Libra with Moon and Venus in Virgo, so I guess his pendulum of doubts should now be on another side of the spectrum. Like he doubted our relationship while we were together now he should doubt our breakup, as long as I don't contact him first. Unless he has entirely made his mind.

PcMoon is square c & pc Pluto but right after will be opposite cJupiter on cDsc and then it will get on cAsc square cVenus...

And this last eclipse is on c & pcNodes square cVertex, and tMercury will go over cNNode two more times...

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posted May 17, 2022 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my gosh yeah, I bet he is indecisive as hell!

With the eclipses and everything too, plus he’s still messaging you (obviously can’t help but think of you when he sees something, wants to share with you) I just would wait and see. He’s already flip flopped on this issue. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone else planted the seed of doubt in him rather than it being his authentic belief.

The real question is, as always, what do YOU want, what are your boundaries, your goals, your most deeply held desires - and does he fit into them? Or are you just attached? These are the questions to answer for yourself.

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posted May 17, 2022 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sashavittoria, thank you!

Yes he went to his country and saw his family before that. I think they might have discussed that.

I just want a genuine mutual relationship with my soulmate (or Twin Flame, I don't know). Would be nice if this could somehow align with 3D journey of having a family and a kid...

He is not a believer in anything so I was surprised that during our breakup talk he said he believed in soulmates and thought that we were 100% soulmates.

I am inondated by synchronicities and numbers, and since the breakup I see a lot of 69s.

Then we met accidentally where we were not supposed to meet, it was a question of 5min overlap. I ran away.

My friend travelling in his country saw our names subsequently on a road. Then saw a box in her mom's house where it was literally written - "his name - wherever there is a baby".

I started watching a Pick a card youtube video and fell asleep, it was thunderstorm - woke up to a thunder exactly at the moment when the video was saying that he had regrets about how he treated me and wanted a 2nd chance.

I don't know anymore if it's him specifically or just my obsessive nature and inability to let go (Cap Venus square Pluto; Chiron close to Dsc).

I am generally obsessive and I had other person's name following me everywhere in my other connections. Numbers started a couple of years ago when I was obsessed with someone else but they were different, more 1 and 0 combinations, now it's still them plus all over the place with triple mirroring combinations and a lot of 2s. And now 69.

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posted May 17, 2022 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my gosh, yeah, it sounds like his family just put the pressure on him and he let himself be convinced against his own feelings/intuition. (What country/religion is he from? If it’s more traditional/conservative, that may be an unhelpful factor.) That being said, when you say you want a genuine mutual relationship with your TF/SM, I presume that still means someone who has the strength and wisdom to discern between his authentic feelings/beliefs and those imposed from without - perhaps someone also spiritually evolved as you are, or trying at least. Whatever the 4D situation, you still have to deal with consequences in the 3D, so do you want to deal with this guy’s family and his tendency to bow under their pressure? Because this is unlikely to be the last time, unless he does some serious reflection and inner work.

Ok the following is very much a reflection of where I am also at/have been in my own journey so do take it with a grain of salt and only take what resonates… I may be totally off base, in which case, I apologize. I want to help if I can though.

Trust your intuition, trust your guidance - whether it is a TF thing or not (I’m skeptical of that ideology, I think it can really play on us vulnerable and obsessive types, especially those with insecure attachment or CPTSD) you seem to be the wiser, more conscious and spiritually evolved person here so please do not doubt what you know deep down! All the answers are within! The synchronicities are confirmation of your inner knowing, but he also has a responsibility for his part. You’re probably right about him, but will he meet you halfway? That is what’s beyond your control, and grasping at astrological straws is one way we sometimes try to soothe ourselves and create a sense of control over someone our brain is addicted to/believes it needs for survival. But we have to release what is beyond our control. We might know the truth but the 3D might just not catch up. Or not in time.

Which is why, at the same time, it’s so important to detach… with obsession and clinging, there is clearly inner work for you to do too, which I am sure you constantly do anyway. Here is what helped me with the obsession (with the guy you were helping me with this past year!):

1. Eliminate magical thinking (that means TF ideology - [url= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Irq2k9uJc&t=1s]watch this[/url] because whether TFs are “real” or not, getting out of the obsession is the best way to attract regardless)
2. Identify and meet unmet needs (that your SO seemed to promise - this will transform any relationship from one based on needs exchange to a genuine and freely chosen love)
3. Identify and live out qualities/traits (both “good” and “bad”) of SO that were repressed in me - I did/am working on three kinds: a) qualities I lack but admire in him, b) qualities I dislike in him that I also possess (hypocrisies - these can be tricky as the same quality might manifest in opposite tendencies in each, ie perfectionism can manifest as manic activity OR as procrastination/avoidance), c) “bad/naughty” behavior I repress but secretly desire to act out (like partying, etc - can be seen as shadow work or even skipped developmental stages)
4. Rewrite painful stories (that SO appeared to solve)
5. Separate SO from the Dream - [url= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KMxUD_XbRs]here’s what I mean[/url]
6. Work on attachment style - [url=https://www.youtube.com/c/BrianaMacWilliam_Attachment_Romantic_Relationships ]this woman[/url] is so worth binging and she has a free shirt quiz on her website you can take to find your style - there are plenty of others online you can take to confirm
7. Don’t repress - instead, accept feelings as they come, as they are

I would really use the solo time to go inward because that is always the only solution… the astrology can be revealing but getting too deeply invested in every data point is just the mind’s way of trying to distract itself and avoid the deeper issue. The obsession IS the distraction, not something we need to distract ourselves from. It is a SYMPTOM, not the cause. And the inner work can ONLY bring us closer to our authentic path and persons anyway.

People choose not to be with their TFs all the time because the 3D just doesn’t line up for whatever reason. Whatever he is to you, we have free will and a responsibility to do right by ourselves and follow our nodal purpose. We must above all act in self respect.

Also, do you really want kids? Two? Right now? Or did you make a concession in order to keep from losing him? If yes it’s totally understandable, but definitely something to reflect on.

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posted May 17, 2022 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Damn, totally screwed up the BB code because I’m on my phone. I’ll return and fix later! But you can copy and paste the URLs of course, if they interest you.

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posted May 17, 2022 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GalacticCoreExplosionV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hugs Alma, sorry to hear about the pain you've been going through. You seem like a lovely person and any guy should count themselves lucky to have you as a partner.

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posted May 17, 2022 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Sashavittoria!! thank you, what an amazing plan!

Huge huge thanks, this is very therapeutic! will definitely work on it! I do believe that the key is inside anyways, actually to TFs it also applies. I've watched these videos on youtube that reaching samadhi on one's own actually brings TF back. It was recommended like the only path to the reunion.

The thing is there was strong energy resonance and I cannot reproduce it on my own...

Yes he is from a traditional country, from Iran (will edit it later, please don't quote). I am from another country and we're in the third country.

I am ready for a kid now, actually was wondering if I should just try to get it on my own. Two kids - he wants 2 because he has a sister close to him but I think his lifestyle and love for travels are not really compatible with 2 kids.

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posted May 17, 2022 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you dear Galactic, I am happy you are back!

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posted May 18, 2022 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alma, I'm so glad you found it helpful!

If it helps, New World Allstar on YouTube really emphasizes the same. Even though he is a twin flame coach, his whole system urges you to get out of TF ideology and focus on ascension. He has some helpful content if you're interested. He emphasizes samadhi also.

~dance party for Galactic's return!~

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posted May 20, 2022 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AlmaRegulus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sashavittoria, WOW that's exactly the guy I mentioned that I was watching his Twin Flame videos on youtube!

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