posted May 11, 2022 10:35 PM            

Can someone help me understand where this is coming from?

Is it genuine paranoia that the person will screw up really bad?

Is it potential envy and trying to stop others from living up to their true potential?

posted May 12, 2022 06:23 AM            

Scorpio is the sign of trauma and crisis. Evolved Scorpio’s can be very healing to be around because they experienced the darkest moments of their soul and have learned from that experience, they’re intuitive psychologists. Unevolved Scorpio’s will see danger everywhere, become paranoid and use manipulation and control as a coping mechanism. An unevolved Scorpio is afraid of the trauma they’ve buried deep inside and is unable to face their own demons. When they learn to embrace that side of themselves and see their wounds as a source of strength instead of vulnerability, they are able to grow and let go of that desperate need for control. But that requires some very deep honesty with yourself and a willingness to face your own b*llsh*t. That’s not easy.

posted May 12, 2022 09:45 AM            

I think it was both a sense of shame imposed upon her, and not feeling safe that made her think that what she did not control would hurt her. And that she had to establish dominance by hurting first, despite that it's not just Scorpios who get revenge, and some of the grief she got she did bring upon herself (which she'd just see as more proof that the world was her enemy). I don't think she was destined to be this way, but that her early life experiences mired her in the toxic side of Scorpio, one reinforced by the vicious circle of hurting and being hurt (regardless of who actually drew first blood).

posted May 12, 2022 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
….That said, I knew another Scorpio with similar background. But in her case she turned her hatred against herself, and she'd die when she was 15. Like my mom, she was an addict.

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posted May 12, 2022 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
My mom is a Scorpio Sun, Mercury and Moon. She is paranoid, yes, and she tries to control things and people, yes, but she’s never managed to control me because I have Sun, Mercury and Moon sq Pluto. I always feel that people with aspects are stronger than the sign and a prime example is my husband with a Moon conjunct Saturn. He is much more Saturn than me having a Cap Moon.

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Fascinating about aspects being stronger than signs! When you say "stronger" do you mean better at mastering that energy or operating from an elevated place?

posted May 12, 2022 10:30 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
@charlie, I agree, aspects are usually stronger than sign placements. But I have noticed that often there is overlap because there is a strong theme in the natal chart. I think this is especially true for the Pluto in Scorpio generation.

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Hi. Do you care to elaborate more on the impact of Pluto Scorpio Generation?

posted May 12, 2022 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Fascinating about aspects being stronger than signs! When you say "stronger" do you mean better at mastering that energy or operating from an elevated place?

Scorpios are never able to control me and it drives them absolutely NUTS.

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I mean that for example a Pluto sq Moon is a much more intense, strong and pure form of Pluto than a Scorpio Moon. I’m not saying it’s better or worse. Someone’s Scorpio Moon can be conjunct Neptune and that’ll make that Moon entirely different. Etc etc

posted May 12, 2022 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Hi. Do you care to elaborate more on the impact of Pluto Scorpio Generation?

I have 1H Pluto trine my Moon, MC & Jupiter. My Taurus Venus naturally opposes the Pluto of many of my peers! 🔥 Imagine how that plays out lol

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Hi LovelyAries, I feel that the Scorpio Pluto generation has bonus Pluto energy. They were born at the height of a very money and power centered period, the 80s and early 90’s. This would likely impact that entire generation but especially Scorpio placements. In the natal chart conjunctions to Pluto would automatically be in Scorpio, a Scorpio Sun or Moon already can be very Scorpionic but conjunct Pluto would put them on steroids. Also hard Pluto aspects would be in fellow fixed signs making them more difficult to deal with. Scorpio Ascendants would likely be stronger influenced as well because there would be a high chance of Pluto conjunct Ascendant or Pluto in the 1st house.

posted May 12, 2022 09:33 PM            

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I think that to some degree we all project our issues on other people. It’s why we can sometimes have a lot of problems with the characteristics of the sign on our descendant. And every sign has its dark side and challenges it has to deal with.

Scorpio is the sign of trauma and crisis. Evolved Scorpio’s can be very healing to be around because they experienced the darkest moments of their soul and have learned from that experience, they’re intuitive psychologists. Unevolved Scorpio’s will see danger everywhere, become paranoid and use manipulation and control as a coping mechanism. An unevolved Scorpio is afraid of the trauma they’ve buried deep inside and is unable to face their own demons. When they learn to embrace that side of themselves and see their wounds as a source of strength instead of vulnerability, they are able to grow and let go of that desperate need for control. But that requires some very deep honesty with yourself and a willingness to face your own b*llsh*t. That’s not easy.

The traits of the signs we have a lot of difficulties with always tell us a lot about ourselves. It’s always a good idea to look into that and try to understand why these trigger us so much.

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posted May 12, 2022 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I mean that for example a Pluto sq Moon is a much more intense, strong and pure form of Pluto than a Scorpio Moon. I’m not saying it’s better or worse. Someone’s Scorpio Moon can be conjunct Neptune and that’ll make that Moon entirely different. Etc etc

Another great example is me having a whole lotta sh1tty Uranus aspects. Venus sq Uranus. Mars and Asc sextile Uranus. Moon semi-square Uranus. Sun, Mercury, Venus and Saturn 11H. I’m infested with URANUS and people with straight up Aquarius look at me like I’m an alien. They can’t really keep up so my aspects, by far, outweigh their energy.

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posted May 12, 2022 10:04 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
I think that to some degree we all project our issues on other people. It’s why we can sometimes have a lot of problems with the characteristics of the sign on our descendant. And every sign has its dark side and challenges it has to deal with.

Scorpio is the sign of trauma and crisis. Evolved Scorpio’s can be very healing to be around because they experienced the darkest moments of their soul and have learned from that experience, they’re intuitive psychologists. Unevolved Scorpio’s will see danger everywhere, become paranoid and use manipulation and control as a coping mechanism. An unevolved Scorpio is afraid of the trauma they’ve buried deep inside and is unable to face their own demons. When they learn to embrace that side of themselves and see their wounds as a source of strength instead of vulnerability, they are able to grow and let go of that desperate need for control. But that requires some very deep honesty with yourself and a willingness to face your own b*llsh*t. That’s not easy.

The traits of the signs we have a lot of difficulties with always tell us a lot about ourselves. It’s always a good idea to look into that and try to understand why these trigger us so much.

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posted May 13, 2022 12:49 AM            

Boss at my very first job was a Scorpio sun with Mercury, Venus, and Mars in Scorpio. Hardcore micromanager that had daily team meetings and tried to probe into everything we were doing. Not a good leader overall but he tried to probe into all parts of our lives whether it was work or personal. Tried to get involved in our lives outside of work too which was creepy. Really awful guy.