posted May 21, 2022 01:06 PM            

Actually, I will confess to a sort of culture prejudice towards parts of Indian culture in general when it comes to spirituality and metaphysics. This is somewhat ironic because I started to believe in things like karma, other lives, etc at a very young age, and initially gravitated to Indian and Eastern beliefs/philosophies.

One of my first spiritual books, which I initially really liked, was Yogananda's book, "Autobiography of a Yogi" Unfortunately, this was in my Piscean South Node strong attunement days, without much counter balance of the Virgo NN, and I bought much of it hook, line, and sinker (too much so, when I should have critically questioned it more rather than just "believe" so much. I was born very honest/sincere, and have had a tendency to naively believe that others were similar).

Much later I learned that Yogananda used to blame his later years obesity on things like, because he was so enlightened, he in-drew so much pranic energy, and this is what made him obese. Course, it had nothing to do with the fact that the dude liked to eat and lived a rather sedentary lifestyle.

To me, such self beliefs, blind-spots, and distortions do not speak of enlightenment. I think one of the hallmarks of true enlightenment is a more honest and objective view of things--of self, of others, of life.

But Yogananda was only the tip of the iceberg and actually quite mild in comparison, as I would later find out. The deeper I looked into the whole guru scene the more delusion, abuse of power over others, corruption, narcissism, spiritual materialism, etc I found. Sometimes downright malignant narcissism to psychopathy. There seems to be far many more negative and false spiritual teachers in that scene, than truly spiritual and positive and nearly enlightened teachers. You know, people that actually live their lives for others, and positive service to same. Folks like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Gandhi, Yeshua, and even Edgar Cayce to some extent.

I began to develop somewhat of an antipathy towards that entire Indian guru scene. And yet, I still recognize that there is some beauty and potent truth to some of their ancient belief systems (minus bs like the caste system stuff, etc)

Numerous direct experiences with dishonest people from that culture/country have also left a somewhat sour taste in my mouth. For example, my partner and I are poly/open--we allow each other to romantically see other people if we want to. (I don't engage in this much at all and really try to stay away from it for various reasons). But my partner is an extrovert and she likes meeting new people, and going on dates etc (it rarely ever goes past a 2nd date and a kiss at most).

Anyways, she has talked to like 4 different guys of that culture and background and ALL 4 of them majorly lied to her and catfished her in some way. Particularly common was them having pictures of good looking Indian men (who turned out to be Indian actors) up of themselves. They apparently thought it was fully ok to lie about this and misrepresent themselves. I think they were hoping that once they went on a date with her (or others), the women would look past this deception/manipulation and like them for who they were. Ah yeah, ok.

And yet she has talked to and/or gone on dates with men of various different backgrounds, ethnicity, etc, and that is the only repeating pattern like that she has ever experienced--just that particular group. And I have had my own run ins with some folks of that background/culture where they expressed a severely arrogant and superiority type beliefs and perceptions (such as, Indian Hindu culture is the most ancient, the most wise, most spiritual, blah blah blah. I would explain to them that well, in truth if you look at the Akashic records, the ancient, ancient Egyptians, before prehistory powerfully influenced their culture and spiritual beliefs, which is something the Cayce work talks a lot about. And I was there in Egypt at the time!)

I do realize that all the above does sound kind of prejudiced. I am not prejudiced towards the peoples themselves (like I don't think it is a genetic-hereditary thing at all), but aspects of their culture that I just don't like/agree with. But then again, there are aspects of my own culture and country that I really don't like or agree with either (like hyper materialism and over ego). As well as others aspects of other cultures that I find lacking/distorted and the like (I will NEVER accept/condone/tolerate/agree with things like female mutilation).

I have come to the conclusion that humans in general, all across the globe, have a lot to learn about a lot of things. A lot of spiritual growing up and maturing to do. There are a number of spiritual sources that I respect and like more than not, that all say the same thing--that in the grand scheme of things, the Earth/humanity is considered like a pre-K, to at best a Kindergarten, like school/level in the larger reality and wider cosmos.

posted May 21, 2022 03:00 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:


Much later I learned that Yogananda used to blame his later years obesity on things like, because he was so enlightened, he in-drew so much pranic energy, and this is what made him obese. Course, it had nothing to do with the fact that the dude liked to eat and lived a rather sedentary lifestyle.

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posted May 21, 2022 07:57 PM            

Donning my Libra Moon for a moment, will say that when it comes to major life events--much of this is preplanned from the nonphysical, Soul, and/or Higher/Expanded self levels.

Hence, it is hard to avoid certain events, and there is such a thing as a certain degree of "destiny", especially in that outer way.

But what people really can change from their charts, is their character/personality--and that is what is most important anyways. Say a person is born slower vibratory than average (i.e. a lot of ego, lack of attunement to love and empathy, etc), well, they could experience someone being genuinely kind and compassionate to them, and it could reach them on a deeper level and make them think about their life, their prior choices, etc, and they could start to work on themselves and change for the better.

The Natal chart would not have encoded this. Perhaps there was a plan made by spiritual authority before their incarnation that they were likely to have that experience with another, and that might be seen in things like transits, progressions, etc, but there is no guarantee that the person would actually be reached/touched and start to change for the better.

posted May 21, 2022 08:10 PM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
I wonder if it's a cultural thing... Can someone enlighten us why this is their approach?

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It is cultural. A long time entrenched spiritual materialism. Equating spirituality and spiritual reality too much with the outer form, and with over attachment to same.

Buddha was born in India over 2500 years ago, and apparently it wasn't much different then either, because he got turned off by that culture of spiritual materialism, and sought to find a different and more awake way of living and perception. Hence Buddhism was born, somewhat as a reaction to it. Almost like a Zodiac Sign progression. If India Hindu culture was Capricorn, well Buddha/Buddhism rolled around as the next Sign--Aquarius, almost like a reaction to the previous sign. (and then I would say, Christ/real Christianity was the next progression as Pisces).

Out of all the spiritual teachers of major codified spiritual teachings, probably Yeshua and Buddha are the ones I most vibe with and respect. And both preached/exampled-lived a non attachment to the material.

posted May 24, 2022 12:14 PM            

these complaints make no sense to me

death and disease predictions are possible with both systems, and you can find western astrologers who don't shy away from these things

if this were not the case something like uranus in the 8th would have zero meaning in terms of death or pluto or neptune in the 6th for health etc and so on and yet this **** isn't true at all

predictions about transit pluto hitting a part of a chart having x negative meaning would never happen, but that's not true either

western astrology does show these things and can, so can vedic

this fatalistic idea of vedic is nonsense too as many vedic astrologers offer "remedies" and ways of dealing with difficult placements to offset certain issues

for example a placement that could be very negative in someone's 6th house could be fine if they're a doctor or if your chart tends towards x then a spiritual path can help

the predictions made aren't any better or worse than western and they're certainly not more "this is this way or else"

your issue is one that comes into play with both systems "what is or isn't ok to share if you see it?" and that's a personal moral thing, also not altogether just irresponsible as some people are happy to hear these sorts of predictions and want them

in my experience many astrologers (and i know more vedic ones closely at this point as more serious occultists tend towards vedic and sidereal and more classical systems) will not make these sorts of predictions unless asked because of how others can be

yes the language sometimes can be rigid due to culture, but it's simply a case of read between the lines, get the idea of it, and don't get bogged down in semantics

how the **** has no one pointed out that western astrology has death predictors and such already though? why is that glossed over?

posted May 24, 2022 10:07 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Interesting Librapurr, you have me curious as to the name of the astrologer you were talking about.

Donning my Libra Moon for a moment, will say that when it comes to major life events--much of this is preplanned from the nonphysical, Soul, and/or Higher/Expanded self levels.

Hence, it is hard to avoid certain events, and there is such a thing as a certain degree of "destiny", especially in that outer way.

But what people really can change from their charts, is their character/personality--and that is what is most important anyways. Say a person is born slower vibratory than average (i.e. a lot of ego, lack of attunement to love and empathy, etc), well, they could experience someone being genuinely kind and compassionate to them, and it could reach them on a deeper level and make them think about their life, their prior choices, etc, and they could start to work on themselves and change for the better.

The Natal chart would not have encoded this. Perhaps there was a plan made by spiritual authority before their incarnation that they were likely to have that experience with another, and that might be seen in things like transits, progressions, etc, but there is no guarantee that the person would actually be reached/touched and start to change for the better.

Freewill=uncertainty and some chaos potential. But it exists within a larger, overarching structure of planning/plans. Both destiny and freewill simultaneously coexist in a dance of constantly changing rhythm, tempo, and balance.

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I’m surprised why Vedic isn’t influenced by Buddhism
when there is influence of many other cultural things. However, I didn’t do research there. It’s mostly the first impression.

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:

yes the language sometimes can be rigid due to culture, but it's simply a case of read between the lines, get the idea of it, and don't get bogged down in semantics

how the **** has no one pointed out that western astrology has death predictors and such already though? why is that glossed over?

also neither of those things is true about vedic and those signs lol

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posted May 25, 2022 07:22 AM            

this is language that isn't just used by vedic astrologers and happens with western too, hell i've experienced it directed at me on this board in relation to my ex

it's an unfair bias to have against one system if you're not looking at the other

when i say the language needs cultural/historical context i'm referring to things like a "marriage partner" might just be read in your chart as someone you were with a long time or dated if you were to try to find them

things like breaking away from religion can be seen as a negative etc

and really some understanding of the culture that you're learning from and the contexts in which these things have come into existence is important in order to understand the system and the potential biases when you're learning

just like reading certain bible verses with no understanding of the historical context in which it came to be or the religions that preceded it etc you're going to miss things and not understand others

judging something with very surface level understanding of it is normal, but ill advised

and like i said none of these particular complaints are limited to vedic astrology and even moreso some of them are just straight up false

there's many traditional things people do and have done in order to make the best out of what they've got in their charts... and recommendations and it's not all doom and gloom and so fatalistic

a tendency of astrologers who not only deeply believe but are completely confident in their abilities is to state things like they're 100% and it's all intuition and everyone has short comings so it can't be

also like any system one placement can have many different meanings and play out many different ways

a common practice across the board is to look at what you have in your chart, find your highest potential and then utilize transits to achieve it

this has deep occult value and is pretty standard

astrology has a lot of value in terms of occult practices and a level of understanding about the energies in our world etc and divination can and does work and it's sort of silly to me to downplay that

overconfidence can be a problem and so can a lack of discretion but these aren't limited to a single system

i was literally "warned" about things in my life going very badly during a completely unrelated discussion by a member of this board (who dislikes me and vice versa and i don't want to deal with her stupid bs so i won't name names) and that was western astrology

it was like literally like "oh i'm looking forward to christmas, things are really good right now" etc etc etc and then she unprompted, not asked etc inserted herself to tell me "well you have these transits coming up so all these bad things could happen soon"

which ****** me off, understandably i think, because it unsolicited on top of everything else...but this wasn't vedic, this was western

******** are ******** regardless of culture and even when they call it through the system they use (because that is a past relationship afterall, those transits did affect that...though it was the retrograde not the initial stuff like she thought, so half right) it's just a personality thing

i haven't come across it more with one system than the other, and i've seen it with both

posted May 26, 2022 08:19 AM            

And honestly I'm not surprised by these thoughts on Vedic. Often people barely can understand or agree with western astrology and even get bothered by that, so of course vedic would seem much worse.

I've personally found that when I combine both western and vedic in my readings, the outcome is very accurate and the people I do these readings for are actually shocked.
It literally is like reading two different facets of a person, and the depth with which one can read the soul's blueprint increases greatly.

Everyone also needs to understand that astrological myths, over time, have been very warped and a lot has been lost in translation over thousands of years. This is why it's important when doing any sort of reading like this, one must actually be very good at divination, because the chart is the soul's blueprint so if you're looking at it in a purely psychological way, or even a purely spiritual way only, or in a purely karmic way, it won't show you the whole story. It's by incorporating all of this and using your own ability to read the signs and symbols with an unbiased eye that makes a reading that much clearer.

The reading of the energies, vibrations and frequencies, and the impact of the stars and planets in the sky in relation to one's own life path and spiritual journey is not about comedy or entertainment, and this is a big issue with the modern world... Using it as such has turned it into a farce. A person's lack of ability to read or comprehend astrology has nothing to do with astrology but more of the individual's lack of understanding of self.

If you are wanting an exact science, you won't get it, and it will seem like a joke when a person tries to do an astrology reading and has almost 0 spiritual awareness or understanding of the universe or the energies flowing all around us.

It's not a drill or power tool. You can't just read the manual and know how to use it, and it cannot truly be comprehended from a strictly materialistic standpoint. The more spiritual purity a person has, and the more shadow work one has done, the easier it is to read the signs.

As for the commentary about Indians, that is beside the point. All people all over the world are full of BS in one way or another. Just depends on which BS you grew up with to the point you barely even notice it, like the air you breathe or your own saliva...

Regardless of how superstitious the astrology reader is, the soul does have a blueprint, most people on earth have past lives whether they believe it or not, most people were born for a reason, and most of us decide our own lives and destinies before birth, and we are all self-governing. But this also means that Vedic readers will most likely tap into the programs and karma of the person, and see "DOOOOOOM!!!!!"

But of course, we can overcome all of that, and naturally, we're meant to be able to - but it is not without deep efforts and work on the self, and getting out of our own maze through intense shadow work in order to expand our awareness. The more aware we are, the more we can exercise our free will and shape our destinies...

posted May 28, 2022 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Agreed! Much too dramatic for my tastes. I can consume Vedic in small doses. Nothing more.

A Reader hit me up on FB and told me that I must've had great success in P o r n due to my 8H Venus! 😂😂 Umm NO, sir.

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posted May 28, 2022 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by BakingSoda:
Good evening ♥️

Well I said so because it’s really weird to predict a person’s death or future , if you read their Vedic placements like the debilitated planets , they don’t even hide their bigotry and favoritism, and I’m sorry it’s not about people who don’t understand it but the whole system being very toxic to one’s self esteem, we’re all humans trust me , how would you feel if some one tells you you’re going to die soon or you’re different from every other person cos of your placements, telling you you’re gonna have a terrible disease like Huh !!!! Look that system of astrology is TRASH 🗑 I love astrology and I think every other aspect of astrology favors all 12 signs , planets and houses ......why on earth’s name would you say my man will divorce me to marry someone else cos my Venus is where ever !!! I don’t care what anyone has to say to convince me but it is very very damaging and scary....My advice to others , please do not go deep into it

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i see you can't read, try reading my posts again and you'll see all the reasons why everything you just said is outright wrong