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posted May 24, 2022 12:18 PM            

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This is the mother of my new nephew. I've been hesitant to show her chart because of all of the negative aspects but I'm a little overwhelmed. We already know she's a pathological liar and likes to stir drama behind the scenes. It's been interesting watching her, especially when she's found herself tied into a family of Plutos. We aren't going to let any of her crazy slide. There's no such thing as an elephant in the room with us. I want to keep the peace obvious, she's the mother of our family member so we have the mindset of "she's one of us now". Unfortunately for her, that means her lies will quickly be pointed out and dealt with. Any words of advice?

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posted May 24, 2022 06:03 PM            

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Wow, you're right - that chart is a lot! I would feel overwhelmed too. The t square from mercury Jupiter and mars... all mutable. And the grand square with sun Moon Saturn and Chiron? Ouch! Her chart ruler is stressed and not helping her, though at the same time Jupiter in the 12th can give the owner good luck and the ability to escape unscathed. Pluto in the 12th is not so great if owned by someone with challenged morals. I know someone with this and he definitely has a sense of entitlement in the world, and can charm most anyone he meets. He's also a pathological liar I believe.

I imagine a lot of abuse in the family history, a lot of neglect, and she is repeating patterns and operating in survival mode. Unfortunately her survival mode is not healthy or functioning for society. I am sorry for her, and sorry for you wondering how to best operate with her in your family now. And of course this baby will need some strong stable role models in his life.

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posted May 24, 2022 08:04 PM            

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Thank you

Escaping unscaved really summed her up. She hasn't really had to face the consequences of her actions very much in the past. She's divorced now and going through a lot in her personal life. I don't know very much about her childhood though so I can't speak on that. She also has 2 older children from her last relationship and she seems like a good mother. I know my brother is a sense of stability for her but he keeps her at arms length because of her ways. It's not big stuff she lies about, it's actually seemingly insignificant things. I attributed that to Neptune in the 1st house. At her age I don't think she's even aware of the effects her lies have, moon in the 12th. Afflicted jupiter in the 12th worries me as well because it's her chart ruler and in such a compromised position. I'm just trying to find the connections between her and my family. I've compared her chart to mine and other family members and there are some that seem to point to us being a pivotal part of her growth. The composite of her and my bro has scorpio ascendant with Jupiter and Pluto tightly conjuncting. This will be a huge chapter of their lives.

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posted June 02, 2022 01:21 PM            

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posted June 03, 2022 09:19 AM            

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Thanks Randall, she's getting much closer to my family in the recent weeks. I don't want to become biased because of her chart, but I also have to keep my guard up.

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posted July 22, 2022 08:51 PM            

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Bumping this because my brother is having a hard time with this relationship. Their baby is 3 months now and it doesn't look like my bro or her are going to find any common ground soon.

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posted August 02, 2022 10:18 AM            

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Bump!

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