posted May 27, 2022 06:19 PM            

Also, what's the difference between the 12th house Mars conjunct the Ascendant and the 1st house Mars conjunct the Ascendant? Is there also significant difference between how they appear to others as well?

Specifically if the Mars is in Mutable sign, how this affect the appearance of the person?

Is it true that the aspect can be appeared intimidating for certain people? What kind of people that feel intimidated by their strong presence?

Is it true that the aspect can be given raw sexual vibe to the opposite sex? What kind of people feel attracted to their presence?

posted May 28, 2022 10:00 AM            

There is a tendency to be 'fierce' & have people around you have their back up.

You may unintentionally alienate others or make decisions that(afterwards upon reflection) were unilateral.

The default mode with Mars conj Asc is "I" . One wants to do things quickly-there is a sense of urgency and "ants in pants" in the aura that may agitate/ irritate those around them.

Sometimes these people can be fantastic motivators because their enthusiasm is infectious and their energy never-ending

posted May 29, 2022 09:32 AM            

I thought I might have incorrect chart after out of nowhere bump into venus in 4th house reading and I thought, probably this is why I really find working from home is very me? (I thought my venus is in 3rd house before) Like, I never feel enjoyed working until I started my home business since pandemic. Isn't it home business thing is venus in 4th house enjoyed the most other than venus in other houses?

I also have wondered for a long time about my Pluto in 11th house because I don't think 11th house is my thing. I'm pretty much very private and I don't really like sharing my life experiences (especially the bad things) to everyone's ears unless I found it has the correlation and probably will help the one I talk to. People who have a special ability 'reading', told me that I have an ability to heal people because they see that I can see right through into one's psychology which I keep denying it because in my mind it's not an ability but it comes from (I hide it from most people) my deep interest to psychology to kill my own demons at first which I have high awareness of it. The quote "you are your own worst enemy" is like my motto. Does it make me have an insight into human nature? It does, but I don't like revealing too much about what I have observed and learned about others. This part of me made me wondered about my chart for a long time and I don't know how I could miss reading Pluto in 12th house until recently and Pluto in 12th house is very much fitted in.

I love kids very much because they touch my inner child (but it doesn't mean I want a lot of kids on my own). I play with them like I am also the kid, their friends. Love teaching them like knowledge is a treasure (to get them interested) and may tell a story with sound effect from my voice. Making them laugh is like an achievement, always a fun moment. Even it blows my husband's mind on how much patience I have with kids to the point he lets me taking care of our kid for 24 hours because he doesn't have that patience and once nagging it's not nice to hear in my ears and to my kid's ears. Weird that he has Mars in Cancer. I'm also always quite popular in the circle of friends/colleagues/co-workers without trying to be the center of attention. Is it the Moon and Jupiter in 5th house, not the 4th house? What do you think?

So, if I have venus in 4th house, Pluto in 12th house, and Moon/Jupiter in 5th house, then I have my ASC closely conjunct to my 1st decan Mars, not the 3rd decan of my Saturn/Uranus like I thought before.

If my Mars sits in 1st house, well, I don't think I will describe myself as an aggressive or even competitive. I was bullied in high school, not a bulliers. Did I fight it? No, I kept quiet and hide it until my parents found it by themselves. I don't like competition games or whatsoever, unless they say it just for fun, not a serious one, or healthy and fair competition, not really have a high desire to win about anything or too ambitious but I'll do my best. Also I don't think I will describe myself as a chaser, men usually chase me by effort because I will disappear if they come across as aggressive also if they are too passive, but I will never be a chaser, aggression annoys me. I think I fit in more to the 12th house Mars than 1st house mars, isn't it?

Why I think my ASC closely conjunct my 12th house Mars?

- Because I have an immense energy, like I always feel I have to do something or keep moving. I'm not a type of couch potatoes or sits still in one place. Kind of get bored easily. I thought before it's probably because of my moon in Aries, but when reading the ASC/Mars conjunction, it makes sense now from where I get the energy to always want to do something even I don't know what it is. So I keep numerous hobbies just in case I get bored so I can jump into the others and do something. It's funny that how many times my husband told me, "can you stay for a moment? You always clean the house, do this, do that, everyday, it makes me anxious seeing you everywhere." I said, "okay", and sit for 5 minutes then already have something to do. lol. But of course I do have a moment to stop, 12th house has always a moment of drained physically.

- I am wondering about my Gemini husband on how he describes his feeling when he met me: immediate comfort and the feeling like he had known me for a long time. I didn't feel the same thing, comfort? yes, because we share same interest in one field, but not like a long time have known each other. Over time I felt like he projected himself into me since he expressed his jealousy about what I did without him. At that time I was very active socially, backpacking each week to discovering places with new people, participating in sport events, religion, etc, basically what Sagittarius fields like. It's my ASC and Mars, and it is his Moon. More years to come, I feel he depends on me for a lot of things, emotionally, like it's weird for me. Isn't it Moon (him, emotionally) conjunct ASC (me, appearance) relationship?

- If my 12th house Mars closely conjunct my ASC, then it makes sense now why my Gemini moon and venus EX saw me as a wife material for him because his moon and venus will conjunct my DSC/7th house. He once asked me whether I felt embarrassed walking with a man who had abnormal walk movement (he had an accident years before that made one of his leg shorter a lil bit because of the surgery and it affected his walk movement). I said, "no, I don't see anything wrong with your leg. Why should I feel embarrassed? You don't feel confident about it?" He told me that women he met usually would notice and he felt judged physically. I told him as a friend without expecting it would make him chased me, "you just met a wrong woman, the right one will not judge you physically.... but judge you from your money, no, I'm just kidding.. You have a good job, what kind of women you have met judging you physically? You should be grateful, you still have two legs, it looks fine to me", while walking away to the parking lot and saying goodbye. Geez, I just realize, that moment probably he felt acceptance? Soon after we officially dated, he asked me whether in 3 months I was ready to marry, he kept pushing me to say yes and it was too much for me. One time after we reconcile from a breakup he told me, "nothing would ever tear us apart anymore and we are soulmate. You are my soulmate. Do you understand?" It scared me, felt like I wanted to run away immediately at that moment. I wonder what's in my chart made his restless Gemini moon and venus could be that sure choosing me while I was the one who kept running? There's a high chances that his moon and venus are in my 7th house, isn't it? Because everytime I wanted to break up, the tension would always up in the air.

- I am very independent and some say: courageous. Since I'm not afraid being a lone wolf (probably learning from 'bullied' experience) or saying what's on my mind even to my boss or board of Directors or people who have power in one field in my own way, thanks to Mercury in 3rd house. Without trying to seek the attention, my job experience would end up assist them, my latest was around board of Directors.

- Certain people also can easily feel intimidated by my presence, since I appear bold and not sharing too much, yet some say I look fierce when quiet. Yes, I have a difficulty developing friendship with women and highly sensitive softy men. One of those man who ended up falling for me once told me that I should smile often rather than being quiet most of the time because it scared sensitive people off like him at first impression until he got to know me and found out how much of fun I was. He told me his concern about how people (usually women) often misjudged my fierce and serious look and wanted to protect me because what he found out after being friend with me was only a great time feeling and how laid back I was with a lot of patience dealing with his moodiness and the situation. What a sweet lovely guy but unfortunately relationship was out of my priority at that time. My other ex who also there for me when I was dealing a hard time from those people who misjudged me told me, "they actually want to get close, but you throw them a vibe that you do not want to get close, so they feel offended and make a hard time for you. That's what I get because they still want to keep you around but you act like you refuse them." I said, "Really? I don't do anything, not even talking." And he said, "I said, you throw the vibe. I also get that first impression from you, but I don't really care about it until I talk to you and found out that you are far from it. It's kind of surprised me too." I thought it comes from ASC conjunct Saturn/Uranus, but now it feels right for ASC conjunct Mars, isn't it?

posted May 29, 2022 04:21 PM            

And so many questions I need to analysis my own chart, but the key is I need to find the close possibility it is the correct ASC affect.

posted May 29, 2022 06:16 PM            

Like Venus, Mars is not known to particularly indicate much of a change in the height relative to the Asc. archetype. Theoretically speaking, it may indicate a bit more height with a Yin/Feminine Asc Sign also Rising.

In a biologically female or more female looking intersexed person's chart, Mars conjunct the Asc can correlate with a masculizing of the features and correspond to less traditionally or classically female attractiveness looks. Strong Venus, Moon, strongly Yin signs ALSO simultnaouesly involved with the Asc and its factors can counter balance this some, and in those case, such women can actually be quite attractive and often regarded as widely "sexy" by a lot of people.

Psychologically and energetically, there tends to be a lot of red in the aura. Increased temper, increased sex drive, increased energy levels, increased self focus/self centeredness (a higher percentage of folks with Mars conjunct Asc than the general, will be found within the NPD spectrum).

Spiritually, it often means that the Soul either came to Earth directly from one of the lower levels of the nonphysical--where individuals are stuck in somewhat hellish like conditions, or when the Expanded self created a new Soul, it injects the memories and energetics of a previous Soul it created who did experience that level directly.

Individuals get stuck in the Mars correlated nonphysical/afterlife dimension usually based on two different things. 1. suicide. 2. dying in battle or in extreme anger. This level is not nearly as bad as the Saturnian correlated nonphysical dimension. Those levels are truly and fully hellish in all aspects, and this is where sociopaths and psychopaths often gravitate to when their bodies die (until they are retrieved by a helper/retriever type).

Basically when you visit the Mars correlated levels, what you tend to perceive a lot of, are indivdiuals who still think they are connected to human bodies, but engaged in constant battles and fights with others like them. Some of these battles may be reflections of the actual battles they had been and/or died in when they were human. Or as mentioned, the self isolated suicide cases. "What Dreams May Come" does a decent job of depicting that level/state in the nonphysical.

Also, the other main reason of individuals getting stuck in the Mars correlated nonphysical dimension is too much general narcissism and materialism. Common activities found in those levels are things like petty crimes. "People" stealing from and conning other "people" in these levels is commonly seen/perceived. Again, these individuals think and believe they are still on earth and connected to human, physical forms. But it is a distorted, belief system version of earth and humans. Which is why it is nastier and less pleasant than earth/humans generally.

* Note about the suicide cases in the Mars correlated levels of the nonphysical. Not all suicides end up in this level. Not all suicides are equal. Sometimes if a person is really sick and in so much physical pain and so debilitiated and/or such a financial and energy burden on their loved ones--when these take their lives, they often don't get stuck at all OR if they do, they get stuck in the Lunar correlated level and become what we call ghosts or earthbound Souls.

The suicides that get stuck in the Mars levels, generally are more selfish cases where too much self and/or materialistic focus is what contributes most to them choosing to kill their body.

In any case, as always in astrology, both the entire chart as a whole, and the factor of freewill needs to be considered. While Planets conjunct the Asc are indeed very powerful, focal points of a Natal chart, other chart factors and/or freewill can greatly modify that pattern.

In an overall more faster vibratory chart OR person (person using their freewill well and constructively), Mars conjunct Asc can just mean that a person has a lot of passion, zest for life, and a lot of energy. And the reds that are common in the auras of folks with Mars conjunct the Asc and Mars in the 1st, typically are seen more as nicer rose reds and the like.

And such people often fight for or serve just causes where the weak, innocent, or mistreated, need such passion channeled into their defense (can relate to other people, animals, the environment, etc). And often, they make excellent leaders/facilitators.

posted May 30, 2022 04:19 AM            

Since you think your ASC is in the 3rd decan of Sagittarius, you can check if somehow your ASC is in Capricorn instead of Sagittarius.

Check how Saturn and Jupiter are placed in the chart. The ruler of the ASC is going to show you how you spend most of your time, if you are introverted or extroverted, if you spend time at home (4th house) or if you go out into the world (10th house), if you like to work to earn your money (2nd house) or you kind of receive them or in debt (8th house) this will also show an introverted life and probably into occult; if you have children and love to spend time with them (5th house) or you like spending time with friends or groups (11th house).

If Capricorn is the ASC, then Mars is in the 12th house and that would explain that you didn't fight the bullies, still maintaining that intimidating energy from your Moon.

Also, you could see a pattern in your relationships checking the descendant and the sign, aspects, ruler of it, it will tell you what kind of relationships you had and will have. A Gemini Descendant is very different from a Cancer Descendant.

In the first case, you would enjoy to talk more with your partner, just a simple description of this DC, and in the second case, you would like to have a more emotional understanding of each other. Their ruler will tell you more about how do you relate to them and in what house it is placed.

"One of those man who ended up falling for me once told me that I should smile often rather than being quiet most of the time because it scared sensitive people off like him at first impression until he got to know me and found out how much of fun I was"

This is more of a Capricorn ASC than a Sagittarius. But since Saturn is also there, it could give that feeling of being very serious.

Better check the house rulers and the relationships you had to see the pattern that repeats.

Having Saturn in the same house as Mars could "hide" the martian energy and temperate it and the high level of energy that you have and trouble with women in general is due to the Moon in Aries.

Also, if the ASC is in Capricorn and Saturn falls into the 12th house, a way of knowing this is if you had nightmares as a child or even now, or if you find difficult to go into your subconcious and understand your dreams. A colleague of mine has Saturn in the 12th house and he doesn't drink any alcohol. He says that is harms him and I think that's because of Saturn in the 12th house.

Having Mars there too, it can be an energy that is hard to get, to understand, to know it, it could give some nervous subconscious, problems sleeping, nightmares, violence, being in Sagittarius, it could also involve philosophies on life and culture.

A Sagittarius ASC travels a lot.

Having Mars in Sagittarius is enough to enjoy travelling, but its not going to be as proeminent as the ASC, especially being in the 12th house.

Also, your Saturn return. Saturn return would involve the house where Saturn is and the houses it rules.

- Sagittarius ASC - Saturn in the 1st house and it rules the second and third house - That could have been a time where had to work extra to earn and had some difficulties relating to money and incomes, trouble communicating, and it affected the way you viewed yourself and as an outcome, you learned how to present yourself to the world better and even changed the way you viewed yourself. Or, on the worst part, you had major loses relating to money and you had a lower self-esteem after this.

posted May 30, 2022 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@Galactic. That is insanely fascinating 🙆🏿‍♂️.

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Tanks Mate.

posted May 31, 2022 12:09 AM            

I often see 11.11 tho, whether it's an o'clock, my time send messages, cars plate number, signs in the road/wall/etc, without me trying to find those numbers and they say it's a sign of being protected and in the right path of this life, is it really? I have never known about it until curious enough searching it in Google what does 11.11 means because it gives you a chill feelings when you keep noticing that twin numbers, and then I remember my husband birthday is also in 11th. Coincidence? What do you think?

The spiritual teacher of my friend once asked me if I tend to notice 'things' or 'dreams'. I can easily understand what he meant because, yeah, it's totally weird. I didn't tell him about it before. He told me it was a message from the protectors, but I kept denying it. And he said, "that's why you keep having a lot of problem with people (I didn't tell him anything about if I had problems in my relationship or unhealthy competition in work life/people keep trying to take away what I have) because you keep denying the red light given from the protectors but since you are protected, they will make sure you won't fall."

I had experienced third eye opening one time that changed my whole mindset and the way I saw myself (I used to criticizing and blaming myself a lot rather than other people - a self destructive defense mechanism thing) then it seizes up to be able sense broken people but I am too afraid going into deep because it can be too dark and consumes me that it really hurts and sad at the same time and sometimes anger. I know there's a friend told me to learn how to shield myself from it so I can help people but I feel I'm not ready yet because I have a lot of things to be done within me first.

Isn't it correlated much to the Pluto in 12th house than 11th?

If the ASC closely conjunct the Mars, then it also makes sense why I feel I'm not pretty or attractive and keep denying when someone says it, because I have venus square my Mars and it will also make a square to my ASC. There's a moment where I feel so embarrassed and feel like I wanted to disappear in a snap of fingers when I didn't know I was nominated at office gathering as the most sexy hot woman and got 99% vote from the male co-workers. I almost killed myself choking when they called my name and they cheered up, clapped their hands, and this guy yelled, "yes, you are! I told everyone you will win!". Men all were noisy like it was a party, most female more quiet than usual. I didn't think I dressed sexy and I usually put everything professionally. I asked a person who sat next to me, "why? Why they are clapping and looking at me? Calling me up?" He said, "you are not following?" I was totally confused, "no, I don't know what happened, I was taking a food and drink." And they asked me to move forward and I felt awkward and confused, embarrassed, and trying to find an exit door. The next day I asked other female coworkers if they knew about it and they said, "they talk about it all the time, you don't realize it?" I felt like I wanted to change my identity, I said I didn't know anything. Even when someone tries to flirt with me, I will move away and run disappeared. Or when no one believes me if I said I was single. Female friends always told me that I would never have a problem attracting men, still.. it's hard for me to believe. Isn't it Venus square the Ascendant?

posted May 31, 2022 12:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
@hearttreasure

Is Mars & Pluto in Sag in your chart ?

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posted May 31, 2022 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
It's very easy to mistake a Moon Aries energy to a Mars conjunct ASC.

Since you think your ASC is in the 3rd decan of Sagittarius, you can check if somehow your ASC is in Capricorn instead of Sagittarius.

Check how Saturn and Jupiter are placed in the chart. The ruler of the ASC is going to show you how you spend most of your time, if you are introverted or extroverted, if you spend time at home (4th house) or if you go out into the world (10th house), if you like to work to earn your money (2nd house) or you kind of receive them or in debt (8th house) this will also show an introverted life and probably into occult; if you have children and love to spend time with them (5th house) or you like spending time with friends or groups (11th house).

If Capricorn is the ASC, then Mars is in the 12th house and that would explain that you didn't fight the bullies, still maintaining that intimidating energy from your Moon.

Also, you could see a pattern in your relationships checking the descendant and the sign, aspects, ruler of it, it will tell you what kind of relationships you had and will have. A Gemini Descendant is very different from a Cancer Descendant.

In the first case, you would enjoy to talk more with your partner, just a simple description of this DC, and in the second case, you would like to have a more emotional understanding of each other. Their ruler will tell you more about how do you relate to them and in what house it is placed.

"One of those man who ended up falling for me once told me that I should smile often rather than being quiet most of the time because it scared sensitive people off like him at first impression until he got to know me and found out how much of fun I was"

This is more of a Capricorn ASC than a Sagittarius. But since Saturn is also there, it could give that feeling of being very serious.

Better check the house rulers and the relationships you had to see the pattern that repeats.

Having Saturn in the same house as Mars could "hide" the martian energy and temperate it and the high level of energy that you have and trouble with women in general is due to the Moon in Aries.

Also, if the ASC is in Capricorn and Saturn falls into the 12th house, a way of knowing this is if you had nightmares as a child or even now, or if you find difficult to go into your subconcious and understand your dreams. A colleague of mine has Saturn in the 12th house and he doesn't drink any alcohol. He says that is harms him and I think that's because of Saturn in the 12th house.

Having Mars there too, it can be an energy that is hard to get, to understand, to know it, it could give some nervous subconscious, problems sleeping, nightmares, violence, being in Sagittarius, it could also involve philosophies on life and culture.

A Sagittarius ASC travels a lot.

Having Mars in Sagittarius is enough to enjoy travelling, but its not going to be as proeminent as the ASC, especially being in the 12th house.

Also, your Saturn return. Saturn return would involve the house where Saturn is and the houses it rules.

- Sagittarius ASC - Saturn in the 1st house and it rules the second and third house - That could have been a time where had to work extra to earn and had some difficulties relating to money and incomes, trouble communicating, and it affected the way you viewed yourself and as an outcome, you learned how to present yourself to the world better and even changed the way you viewed yourself. Or, on the worst part, you had major loses relating to money and you had a lower self-esteem after this.

- Capricorn ASC, Saturn in the 12th house, rulling the first and second houses - Much as the last ASC, but without accidents, siblings, short journeys, all relating to the 3rd house, but having a difficult time sleeping, having nightmares, or flashes of some kind, 12th house is a bit hard to grasp or understand. 12th house is also the houses of loses and it could have been financial loses since the ruler of the second house is in the 12th house in Sagittarius.

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Will save this analysis, although I feel very much like a Sagittarius Ascendant, because actually once someone talks to me in person I am friendly, but if they see me only from a far, it's easy to misjudge my facial expressions or physically or maybe the strong vibe I give in because I tend to make a strong impression to people, good or bad. I also enjoy traveling in a backpackers way which I don't think Capricornus like it, isn't it? I don't do it anymore because my husband is too much protective, it causes problem in our relationship.

posted May 31, 2022 03:50 AM            

You dropped a lot of truth bombs on your post that suggest to me that Mars is in Sag in 1st house(I use whole sign house system).

The typical descriptions you read of online come from the premise that Mars is in Aries in house 1 OR Mars is in Sco in house 1.

For Mars in Sag in house 1 OR Leo Mars in house 1(using whole sign house), the results can be different. And so context is everything.

The ruler of your 12th house(Sco) is also Mars. Mars also rules the 5th house of Aries.

The love of children and being able to relate to them is very much in keeping with the 5th house ruler(Mars) in your 1st house. You are also a kid at heart.And teaching through story-telling is very much a Sag thing.

With ruler of the 12th in 1st house, there is often self doubt and not knowing your own strength. You are somehow displaced from yourself and this can have you not identify with the Mars traits.

I often think that those with the ruler of the 1st house in the 12th, 12th house ruler in the 1st, 7th house ruler in 1st OR 1st house ruler in 7th(like me) may have issues and confusion surrounding identity and (by extension) assertiveness.

So often they(unconsciously) through that dissonance and confusion, may give others the permission to "own" them because of these lack of boundaries.

Others may see them as "easy pickings" . This once they get past the facade of the often intimidating Mars in house effect. Then they see someone who is a lot more vulnerable and "little boy/girl lost" then mighthave been originally thought.

In relationships this may manifest as attracting aggressive people(bullying) or those who want to assert themselves on to you (Mars in 1st is opposite 7th and this can create enmity with others).

In romantic situations you can find yourself pursued or "captured" by others who want to "put a ring on it" (sometimes by force-Mars).

All this goes back to having to "own" yourslef and take your Mars back I.e. draw clear boundaries, dont be afraid to assert yourself more and unwelcomed others will back off as soon as you do.

Mars in 1st house/Aries Asc/Sco Asc suggests problems with anger or assertion. Either you are "over the top" or you undewhelm.

Remember that 1st house energy is "first time" energy. So it's like a baby who is learning to walk. You can't expect them to get up and do the "Paso Doble" immediately. They will wobble this way and that as they try to get this whole "walking" thing right.

The same is true of planets in 1st house and the ruler of the 1st house. It's not going to a graceful energy. It'll have a lot of wobble and back/forth to try to get it just right-because 1st house planets lack experience.

Pluto in 12th/7th house often suggest hidden/open enemies. When in the 12th, they indeed seem to come from a place that is least expected. And when in 7th,it's usually from friends or people we know(and that's what makes it so painful and also unexpected).