posted June 05, 2022 03:21 AM            

With Venus-Sat, love/marriage is usually delayed or put on the backburner. The reason is often Saturn related- maybe there is a career the native wants to first stabilize before even thinking of marriage?

Maybe there is an obligation/ loyalty to family? The individual feels they have to first "grow up" or "get right" before including another into their lives?

Another possibility is that there is someone else they are already "married" to i.e. taking care of and thus CANNOT split loyalties?

This could be a sister/a brother/Father/ Mother who they feel needs their attention.And so "love" partnerships are set aside?

Whatever the reason is, it is usually Saturn related. And so the heart doesn't quite open up to give in to love prospects. Or may be weary of making that kind of commitment because Sat( once committed) finds it very difficult to untangle themselves from that commitment.

Marlon Wayans has Sat/Ven conj on Gem. I read an article where he explained that he didn't consider marriage before because he wanted his Mom (now deceased) to remain his no 1 girl.

But now he has changed his stance and thinks that he has "just one" marriage likely in the cards(if life allows and an opportunity for it arises).

I find his reasons very much in keeping with Sat.Notice that sense of obligation to his Mom overriding all?This including his girlfriend (with whom he already has 2 children with)?

Of marriage, he said:"I like things to bend and not break & I feel like when u get married,u have to get divorced in order 2 either be separated or together. I like friendships because you just learn each other and you just grow and you just get better."

I mean how Saturnian is that thinking when Ven is on Sat? He doesn't like things breaking i.e. is likely staunchly committed. He likes friendships where you learn the partner and grow.

Saturn is all about incremental growth and is also about friendships in love when on Ven(Sat rules 11th(with Ura) in solar chart). Sat-Ven thinks friendship with the partner is EVERYTHING.

My thinking is that Sat-Ven is likely to get romantically involved with someone they've known for a long time(or someone who deeply feels that way). They don't like going for someone brand-new(thats more Ura-Ven, Ven-Jup or Ven-Mars)

Also likely is someone they knew from their past (high school lover/ acquaintance/varsity lover etc). Someone they do business/ work with or someone who is in the capacity of "assistant" or "helper" . This because the Sat-Ven individual may feel that such a person is sturdy enough to tolerate them and (most importantly) grow with them(over time).

As a Ven-Sat conj individual myself, i would prefer a long-term partnership than a formal marriage.Many Ven-Sat conj people (unlike the general populace) don't want a wedding. They just want to go straight into the marriage.

Maybe because they find the whole pomp and ceremony highly pretentious or shallow? Maybe a waste of money? Because for them they know that the true "contract" is in the heart and not in some grand gesture of a flamboyant ceremony.

Some may avoid the wedding because of the administrative requirements involved in both consummating the relationship as well as when dissolving it. Its just too taxing.

These people(at a primitive level) are not "Twilight saga" romantic types who dream of an all-consuming love like Ven-Plu conj people may. Theirs is more of a practical, quiet love that grows in leaps and bounds over time (Ven-Sat).

Ven-Sat love often reminds me of the Ashford & Simpson song "Solid". The two singers and real life couple are Tau (Nickolas Ashford-male) and Vir(Valerie Simpson-Female) respectively. So i thought that was also apt.

The song says;
"And for love's sake, each mistake
Ah, you forgave
And soon both of us learned to trust
Not run away, it was no time to play
We build it up and build it up and build it up
And now it's solid...."

posted June 05, 2022 03:34 AM            

If it's not friendship between us, it's not going to work out. Strangely, I think the same too.

Every relationship I had where there was no friendship, it ended up in hate, resentments, bad endings.

I consider friendship as being the most sincere relationship of all because people genuinly like each other, they don't want to control each other, they give each other freedom, they don't hurt each other on purpose and they choose to stay because they want to, not because they have an obligation to stay.

I also prefer to be with a person long term without the official act of marriage. I think it's pointless, but I also think that if I want to leave, we will have to stay with each other until the divorce it's cleared, so there's a fear too of commiting fully and what might happen if something doesn't work out well. It's kind of confusing honestly because marrying it's not a bad thing, it's actually blessed, but I think that everything could go wrong and I fear full commitment.

Also, Johnny Depp has the same placements in his chart - Venus in Taurus 10th house, square Saturn in Aquarius 7th house, Leo ASC.

posted June 05, 2022 03:52 AM            

Yes. Absolutely. Friendship is very important. And what you said there about the logistics of separation/things not working out etc. Is also in keeping with what Sat fears. They don't like things breaking apart-whereas most people out there love(and live) for that drama!🤷🏿‍♂️

Saturn square Venus can learn harsh lessons in love. There is a part of the native that believes that love has to hurt to feel good. There must be sime trouble or strife etc, to make the relationship worthwhile.

Johnny left Cap/Can Vanessa Paradis because he said she was "boring". So here the usual Ven-Sat energy that suggests stability over excitement/ thrill seeking etc. Is antithetical with Johnny's sentiments.

He got the drama. Something he is likely never to forget. And it may also clarify what he actually wants in a partner.

posted June 05, 2022 04:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Saturn square Venus can learn harsh lessons in love. There is a part of the native that believes that love has to hurt to feel good. There must be sime trouble or strife etc, to make the relationship worthwhile.

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I would say not that it HAS to hurt, but in a different way.

I believe that relationships are true only if they succed to overcome the obstacles. I do find that superficial relationships break at the first obstacle that they find in their ways and they don't overcome them.

People that truly love each other overcome whatever comes in their ways and they remain together because what keeps them together is the love, not other things, simple as this.

Think of a relationship that is based on material things. What if those material things happen to dissapear? you think they will stay together? I would say that they won't, because what kept them together was the material security.

What if a relationship is based on responsabilities that a guy has for a woman with which has children? what happens when the kids grow up and he was there just for the children? I would say they will separate or he will have another woman.

I met people that were really hurt in relationships that seemed healthy and peaceful, almost like the perfect pair, just to find out that in the end, he loved another woman, or she was cheating. I guess is really hard to find out that the guy you love, didn't love you truly and he loved someone else.

Well, that didn't happen to me. Because the guys I've met were serious, we really liked each other, and we've known each other so well that we kept going because we trusted each other and we knew who each other is.

The ones that broke up and were terrible, were the ones that were superficial, the ones that didn't got the test of time, and didn't have hardships with them, we didn't fight, we didn't argues, they were simply superficial.

posted June 05, 2022 04:36 AM            

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@mee_chryssa

Johnny left Cap/Can Vanessa Paradis because he said she was "boring". So here the usual Ven-Sat energy that suggests stability over excitement/ thrill seeking etc. Is antithetical with Johnny's sentiments.

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I don't think Saturn/Venus or Saturn 7th house is about prefering commitment over excitement, but looking deeper in relationships and separating what's meaningful of what's not.

They are loyal and commited in relationships, but I look at other things when I meet someone new than someone else. People look at social status, race, money, husband/wife material. I look at if I like him, if I enjoy his company, if we can do it together, if we have fun together, if we are really in love with each other, like having a meaningful connection, not one in which I analize if he is good enough to be with me, or good enough to give me something, or if he has money, or if he is going to fit with the notion my parents have, or what they think is right for me, or if he has the same education as I have.

A friend of mine has Venus conjunct the North Node in Pisces.

You would think that she is overly happy in her relationships.

Well, she's not. She married a guy that went out with a couple of times, they didn't sleep together, they didn't live together before marriage. They married after 6 months of dating.

After they married, they slept together and they found out that they can't do it, she doesn't find him attractive and he doesn't have the drive to do it.

She always has the most healthy ways of relating, and advices about relatioships, what it's an abuse or not, what it SHOULD be a relationship or not, but she's married to a guy that she doesn't love and she doesn't make love to him. She's in love with someone else and she thinks that the guy with whom she's in love is toxic to her because she makes love to that guy, she loves the way he is.

So... on the other way around, I don't mind having a fight with the guy I love and want to be with him, I would rather do this a million times than being with someone that I don't even like just because he is there for me. But it has to be a commitment, to know that the feelings are reciprocated, if they're not, then I'm not going after someone that doesn't want to be with me.

I still have to be careful because it can go the other way around, like being single because I get too picky, even though I'm not. You would be amazed what things I've considered not important because I only look at the good in others.

Another friend of mine never married and never had relationships and she said "after I find someone that I like, I can only be with someone that he's better or greater than that guy"

posted June 05, 2022 05:19 AM            

When that happens, one tends to stray or walk away. Sat doesn't like break-ups. It wants consistency from start to finish. So unless yiu can keep the excitement going from beginning to end( most people can't) the inevitable downward curve of the relationship will take over.

Commitment is not glamourous. Nor is it romantic.Preparing meals everyday for your family is not an "exciting" thing. You may be "inspired" now and then to make something different. But it starts to get routine after a while. Its a commitment.

Commitment says "whether the sun shines or it does not. Whether it rains or there is frost. It matters not. You do what you always do and you keep at it". Thats Saturn. The graph line is quite steady and consistent. No exaggerated peaks or troughs.

By 'excitement' I mean; butterflies in stomach, adrenaline rush to the brain, going full speed ahead, a series of extreme ups, moving in with someone 2 months in,crises or drama etc. These are "childish" things to Saturn's energy. And they are usually ignored or avoided.

Saturn is delays.Its like meeting up with someone only to curb ur excitement because they are married to someone else OR are in the process of a lengthy and tedious divorce.

North node conj Ven brings lessons in Venusian things(love being one of them) ime.And there is usually other aspects that coincide with this aspect to further anchor that notion.

Love relationships are seldom easy for the native because they usually need to change/get clarity on their own perspective on Venus issues i.e self esteem, self-worth, love,partnerships, beauty etc.

The guy I know with Pisces Ven 23 conj his North node is dealing with what is written of above- fear of closed amd close affection, fear of letting people get too close.

So he skirts on the surface and has "open ended" love relationships that have an "open door" policy i.e he has orgies with his partner. And (in some instances) the partner has sex with someone else whilst he is away.

This all sounds pretty glamorous for some. But with him, there is a clear shield of the heart from more intimate connections. Sun is in Aqua and Moon is in "clinical" Vir with Moon in the 12th Leo cusp(the heart). And the ruler(Sun) in house 6.

posted June 05, 2022 05:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Excitement dies down. Once the initial momentum of energy subsides, it has a way of reversing -where you now see the partner as "boring" or "uninteresting".

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Well, that's why friendship and genuine love it's important. You can't get bored with someone that you really like and enjoy.

posted June 05, 2022 05:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

By 'excitement' I mean; butterflies in stomach, adrenaline rush to the brain, going full speed ahead, a series of extreme ups, moving in with someone 2 months in,crises or drama etc. These are "childish" things to Saturn's energy. And they are usually ignored or avoided.

Saturn is delays.Its like meeting up with someone only to curb ur excitement because they are married to someone else OR are in the process of a lengthy and tedious divorce.

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I moved with my bf right after we met, after 3 months.

I don't mind this if I feel that it's serious. I never waited more than 2 months for a guy to make a commitment. Everything that is more than that I consider it to be a red flag where someone doesn't know what to do and usually it's better to choose the negative option.

Well, relationships are complicated and it's more a matter of perspective. But now that you gave that example of your friend, I think that some aspects have a good and bad quality to them even if would seem like Venus North Node would be a good placement, or Saturn in the 7th is bad.

I found my Saturn in the 7th house to be great when Saturn return started. I felt free, and I'm not joking. Probably Johnny Depp feels the same.

But depends if Saturn is functional or not in a chart, the same with Venus, so... not everyone who has/had Saturn in the 7th house will/did experience it as I did. I just gave the example of Johnny Depp because he has the same aspects and placements as I have.