posted June 06, 2022 10:31 AM            

According to the Edgar Cayce work, Saturn (NOT Cap nor Aqua) is the most potentially selfish, insular, separative, materialistic, and slow vibratory Planetary symbol. And there is no stronger condition for a Planet than for it to either be conjunct the Asc or Rising and closest Planet to the Asc. It becomes ULTRA highlighted in the life and especially psyche.

Very strong Venus, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun simultaneously highlighted can counter balance some of Saturn's more negative and slow vibratory tendencies. Also, freewill can counter balance it. Not all predominant Saturnians are very negative and selfish.

There had to be some symbol that would represent and correlate to the worst and lowest in humans and humanity, and Saturn happens to be it par excellence.

In talking about his own Soul history and past life influences in his Life readings, Cayce's guidance said that even he had gone through this severe lack of Light process. His Expanded/Higher self had two incarnations with the name John Bainbridge. The first John Bainbridge actually came in from the dimension that correlates with Venus (in between mid and high'ish vibratory) and was born under Scorpio Sun.

Due to environment/circumstances and misuse of freewill, that person became a rather ahole. He particularly hurt many women, treating them and their hearts callously. He was a womanizer, hard living man that became prone to violence. He also conned people. He had been born in England and immigrated to America as a soldier of fortune during the early colonization days.

Exactly 100 years later, in earlish, pioneer times of America, another of Cayce's Expanded/Higher self's Souls incarnated--under eerily similar conditions. Also named John Bainbridge. Born also in Cornwall England and immigrated to America as a soldier of fortune. Lived an extremely similar life, going to many of the same places the other John Bainbridge had.

But this time, he was said to come in from Saturn. He continued many of the same hard living and selfish shenanigans.

The difference came at the end of life. He, a romantic partner of his (what we would call a friend with benefits), and some other folks ended up getting attacked by a Native American tribe. They fled in a boat on a river to escape the attack. Bainbridge, uncharacteristically, ended up sacrificing his life to help/save the others, and ended up drowning.

I suspect this time, he did not get attracted to a lower, hellish like level in the afterlife because of that crack that happened that allowed some Light in.

Most of Edgar's described past life influences had been far more positive and service oriented. When asked, how and why could he have had such selfish and destructive lifetimes when otherwise his overall pattern was far more positive, noble etc, his guidance answered that on a soul level he had to know the (other) extremes of the human condition in order to be of better service to others. Seems to imply that in his case at least, this was somewhat preplanned and/or probable.

The two John Bainbridge lifetimes appear to have almost been something like a "do over" to try to get things right under adverse circumstances. Since Cayce's guidance linked Saturn to a Soul experiencing a true and final death--a Soul/consciousness death, it's quite possible that the Soul who had lived the first John Bainbridge lifetime, when he went into the afterlife and got stuck in one of the lower, hellish levels, he ended up becoming so negative and lacking in connection to Light and Love, that he inadvertently destroyed himself.

Then Cayce's Higher/Expanded self, created a new Soul and injected a lot of the memories, energetics, and patterns from that former Soul/experience.

posted June 06, 2022 01:50 PM            

Some victims of abuse are diagnosed with personality disorders while in toxic relationships but when they leave those relationships, don’t show any signs of it.

We sometimes accidentally pathologize reactionary behaviors which can be a disservice to the victim.

This is especially true if an abuser comes off as calm and cool in the public space, but perpetuates the abuse behind closed doors.

This is where victims can be painted as liars or manipulative, and may further reinforce the idea in the victims head that it is their fault…

…that they are being abused. This makes it more likely the victim will stay with the abuser, and also relinquish more of their boundaries.

Psychology and psychiatry are so important, but sometimes they can be weaponized in vicious ways.

Can we like… not stigmatize personality disorders? This is about diagnoses being weaponized, not personality disorders being bad. People with personality disorders are not these inherently bad people or something, I would prefer people just understand that.

(ALSO: there’s nothing wrong with having a personality disorder, and it’s okay if reactionary symptoms don’t go away after an abusive relationship. This is a very complex topic.)

posted June 06, 2022 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Hi Dons, interesting. His chart changed from having Pluto conjunct his Asc to Saturn.

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posted June 06, 2022 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
It's showing me birth time at 2:36pm and that puts Saturn rising 🤔

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Yeah, I know. When I've looked up his chart before on astro.com, it always showed a late Virgo Asc with early Libra Pluto conjunct same. (Edit, actually, I think it was like a 0 degree Libra Asc).

This fits his looks better.

posted June 06, 2022 02:24 PM            

"Grazia Bordoni database ('entertainment' file) gives midnight 0:00: 'From him in person to an astrologer I know.'

On 26 December 2021, his 50th birthday, he posted on Instagram: "Born at 2:36 PM Central Time 1971"

I could see Leto being into astrology. I could also see him messing with people too.

Now I am curious if he is a predominant Plutonian or a predominant Saturnian?

posted June 06, 2022 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
http://twitter.com/Somesaylezzels/status/1533509050700288002

Some victims of abuse are diagnosed with personality disorders while in toxic relationships but when they leave those relationships, don’t show any signs of it.

We sometimes accidentally pathologize reactionary behaviors which can be a disservice to the victim.

This is especially true if an abuser comes off as calm and cool in the public space, but perpetuates the abuse behind closed doors.

This is where victims can be painted as liars or manipulative, and may further reinforce the idea in the victims head that it is their fault…

…that they are being abused. This makes it more likely the victim will stay with the abuser, and also relinquish more of their boundaries.

Psychology and psychiatry are so important, but sometimes they can be weaponized in vicious ways.

Can we like… not stigmatize personality disorders? This is about diagnoses being weaponized, not personality disorders being bad. People with personality disorders are not these inherently bad people or something, I would prefer people just understand that.

(ALSO: there’s nothing wrong with having a personality disorder, and it’s okay if reactionary symptoms don’t go away after an abusive relationship. This is a very complex topic.)

http://twitter.com/kellroark/status/1533686821107941377
BPD is just a place holder for what used to be female hysteria.
Fibromyalgia is used the same way regardless of it’s validity. I’ve seen that dx used & abused time & time again.

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posted June 06, 2022 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
This is what astro.com says:

"Grazia Bordoni database ('entertainment' file) gives midnight 0:00: 'From him in person to an astrologer I know.'

On 26 December 2021, his 50th birthday, he posted on Instagram: "Born at 2:36 PM Central Time 1971"

I could see Leto being into astrology. I could also see him messing with people too.

Now I am curious if he is a predominant Plutonian or a predominant Saturnian?

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posted June 06, 2022 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
I did not see any evidence of abuse from his standpoint and neither did the jury. Her UK trial was largely won due to it being decided by 1 man alone and Depps evidence wasn't allowed in much of it. In the US we got to hear all of those recordings and debunk her photoshopped bruises and, we got to see how she manipulated the media in her favor by tipping them off. I'm not saying Depp was innocent and he very much seemed like he was toxic too but, toxic does not equal abuser. She even admitted to abusing him.... You're only giving anecdotal evidence and that really doesn't help in any situation.

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+1 Good points.

posted June 06, 2022 02:51 PM            

Yet, the guy looks very Anglo-Saxon. While he can tan a bit and has dark hair, he has blue eyes and doesn't get that dark.

He really does look a lot more like a late Virgo Asc cusping Libra strongly or very early Libra Rising strongly cusping Virgo.

He also doesn't have the thick and squarish build, and squarish face of Taurus Asc. All the Fixed Ascendant signs tend to be more thickly and strongly built, bone and sometimes also muscle wise.

Leto has to work out A LOT to gain any significant muscle bulk and otherwise is a twig, which fits Virgo much better. And again, lacks the blocky and squarish build and looks. Saturn conjunct the Asc (especially if 5 degrees or less) can indicate a more slender and faster metabolism type build, but he just doesn't have the melanation that this combo would very strongly suggest/outline.

posted June 08, 2022 01:51 AM            

Can I ask where I can learn more of Saturn conjunct ASC. I know someone who's ASC is in tight conjunction to Saturn but also Uranus in Cap.
Her lack of interest in getting to know people and she's aware of this. I find that fascinating because she doesn't see anything wrong with this.

posted June 08, 2022 02:57 AM            

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Originally posted by SimplyLuna:
GalacticCoreExplosionV2,

Can I ask where I can learn more of Saturn conjunct ASC. I know someone who's ASC is in tight conjunction to Saturn but also Uranus in Cap.
Her lack of interest in getting to know people and she's aware of this. I find that fascinating because she doesn't see anything wrong with this.

How do we know the strength of the planets to balance Saturn?

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Right away, in the above person's chart (assuming it is fully accurate, and I never assume that), Uranus is counter balancing Saturn by also being conjunct the Asc.

Uranus is an interesting symbol. Picture a teeter totter. One one side, you have Saturn, Mars, and Pluto sitting. On the other you have Sun, Jupiter, Neptune, and Venus.

The teeter totter is constantly going up and down--sometimes the Saturn etc side is predominant and sometimes the Solar etc side is predominant. It rarely ever reaches that even, balanced point though.

This is a good analogy of Uranus and what is it like. It has both fast and slow vibratory sides that are in like a constant tug of war with each other for primacy. Hence the "moods" of predominant Uranians or people who have it very strong. Add to that a certain amount of intuitive-psychic sensitivity, and you can get some interesting, extremist, and sometimes crankish type personalities. One moment they are mature, centered, loving, positive, balanced, and the next moment they are losing their shite, down completely in the dumps, being super selfish, being super stubborn/set in their ways/willful as a donkey, and generally--an extremist. They don't do moderation or balance well.

To answer the rest of your question. The usual ways and rules we use in astrology. Planets that are conjunct Angles or in Angular Houses (especially 1st and 10th), Planets conjunct Angle rulers (especially Asc and MC ruler(s), strong and/or close aspects to Sun, Planets near or in the 5th, having a Planet highlighted in the former ways and also having the Sign(s) ruled by that planet prominent.

I'll give an example. I have Venus in the 7th. Two things to note about this. First, its an Angular Planet. 2nd, there is a loose archetypal connection between Venus, Libra, and 7th. Due to the combo, Venus is pretty strong/highlighted in the 7th. Not to the degree of the 1st, but not that far behind either.

Then I have Moon in Libra. Then, I have Taurus on the MidHeaven. The Midheaven and 10th House is the next most amplified/ampflying point/area of the chart after the Asc and 1st House.

All 4 of these factors combine to indicate that Venus is pretty highlighted in this chart. Not predominant, but definitely up there. It also doesn't hurt that two of my closest aspects are Venus aspects (trine Pluto and sextile Neptune). All in all though, the Signs are less important to this.

If someone has Venus in the 1st, but no Planets in Libra and/or Taurus, and then another person has say Libra Sun and Taurus Moon, but Venus is say is firmly in the 3rd, 6th, or the like, well actually the person with Venus in the 1st (especially if there is no other Planet there), will actually tend to be far more deeply and consistently "Venusian" than the person with Libra Sun and Taurus Moon. That latter person, say has Mercury in the 1st and closest Planet to their Asc. They are going to be rather intellect and cerebral focused as compared to the person with Venus in the 1st, EVEN IF the person with Venus in the first has say Gemini Sun with Virgo Moon.

This is where people get tripped up in astrology and delineation. They put way TOO MUCH focus on the Signs, when Planetary strengths typically are more important.

At the same time though, you often can see underlying and repeating patterns in a chart, like in my case of having both Venus the planet highlighted, as well as the Signs she is connected to.

Oh, something almost never mentioned in mainstream circles and the like: Closest approaches to the Earth are a potentially big factor. The ancients tended to pay a lot more attention to these cycles than we do. For example, when Mars is closest to the Earth in their respective orbits, the ancients knew and believed that Mars tended to become more amplified/highlighted during this time.

I'll give another real world example. I was born relatively near Solar Perihelion. This is when Earth is closest to the Sun in its yearly orbit around same. If you compare pics of the Sun at this closest approach to when the Earth is farthest from the Sun--there is actually a noticeable difference you can tell.

Anyways, because of this and a couple other factors, the Sun is highlighted in this chart. And indeed, the Sun has factored into this life and psyche in some major and interesting ways. Like a very intense guidance dream of meditating outside while looking at the Sun, and merging with same.

But most people don't even consider things like this. It's one of those lost techniques and factors. Sort of like declination's and parallels were sort of for awhile.

Hope this helps.

posted June 08, 2022 07:17 PM            

My dear friend is Taurus ASC, no planets making aspects to her ASC. And nothing in her first house. She is not at all what you described by Taurus. She is petite, waif like, and looks like a little woodland fairy. Pale in color too.

She has a Pisces Sun, so I clearly see that. Venus in Aqua, 4 degrees from MC in 10th house... so why doesn't she really embody a Taurus? Neptune is at the end of 7th, so maybe that highlights her Pisces nature... and Venus in 10th, but nothing in 4th.. Though looked again and Saturn is sitting on IC from the 9th.

posted June 08, 2022 09:33 PM            

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Quick diversion here for you Galactic... sorry to derail!

My dear friend is Taurus ASC, no planets making aspects to her ASC. And nothing in her first house. She is not at all what you described by Taurus. She is petite, waif like, and looks like a little woodland fairy. Pale in color too.

She has a Pisces Sun, so I clearly see that. Venus in Aqua, 4 degrees from MC in 10th house... so why doesn't she really embody a Taurus? Neptune is at the end of 7th, so maybe that highlights her Pisces nature... and Venus in 10th, but nothing in 4th.. Though looked again and Saturn is sitting on IC from the 9th.

Are all these planets affecting her so strongly from cardinal houses that it renders her Taurus nearly imperceptible?

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Chances are, in reality she either has a Pisces, Aries, or Gemini Asc. You may have seen some of my posts about the Cayce work and how Cayce's guidance threw some monkey wrenches into astrology. The big(est) monkey wrench they threw into astrology is the concept that the physical birth time is not always the accurate time for the chart.

They talked about the Soul connecting to the baby's body, and how it was the moment of full energetic merging with the body (particularly with the endocrine glands, spinal-nervous system, and brain) that correlated to the accurate chart. This was said to sometimes occur at physical birth/first breath, but not always. Sometimes it happens sometime before the physical birth and sometimes awhile after the physical birth.

I will refer to you to Kannon McAffee's site/website for some specific references in this work to the differences between the physical and spiritual birth times. Scroll down some till you see the part about Edgar Cayce: http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2015/05/30/incarnation-process/

Before I ever read about any of this in the Cayce work, my rather intuitive-psychic Mother told me when I was around age 16 or so (had been into astrology for a few years by that time), that when I was born, it was some minutes after (she wasn't exactly sure how much time difference though) my body was born that she saw a bright light descend and go into the baby's body. She knew intuitively that this light was my Soul/nonphysical consciousness.

And indeed, a bit later of a chart does fit me better holistically--as to transits, as to physical looks, etc. Hence, when I came up this information in the Cayce work, I was quite open minded to it.

For example, my physical birth time gives me a 10* Leo Asc. My adjusted time, gives me around a 16* Leo Asc. My body has some "oddities" about it. For example, after going to a Chiro and him taking an X-ray of my spine and him coming back with a bit of a puzzled look, he explained to me that genetically, I'm missing an entire lumbar vertebrae. This of course, makes my spine/torso rather short, which it indeed is. I have the leg length of men who range from around 5'10" to nearly 6ft depending on how long their torsos are in proportion (for reference, my pants inseam is between a 31 and 32). I have males on my Mom's side of the family (with strong Celtic and Germanic background) who have similar inseam and long torso's that are within that range of height. My grandfather who also had Leo Rising, in his prime was 5' 11 1/2" with a similar inseam. He had a long torso (and broad, strong back), as is more typical of males with Leo Rising. (Me, I'm barrel chested).

Yet, I'm a shade under 5' 7". This is unusual for caucasian males (not well known, but black males sometimes have shorter torsos in proportion more naturally, but not quite to this extent. And their thigh bones tend to be longer in proportion than caucasians).

How is this correlated astrologically? My chart ruler, the Sun, is in Cap and inconjunct the Asc degree from the 6th House cusp border in the adjusted, later chart . The inconjunct aspect itself carries an innate 6th-8th House type connotation, and is considered a stressful aspect of discomfort and need for adjustment, and because of the double 6th House connotation here, relates to health.

Leo and Sun correspond to the back/spine, Capricorn corresponds to contraction and testing (being shorter than average as a male is not a fun/easy thing in our shallow/materialistic and physically/ego driven western society), inconjunct relates to stress/discomfort/need for adjustment, and both inconjunct and 6th House relates to health issues.

As briefly mentioned, some of the transits/progressions to life events also fit this later chart better.

Cayce's guidance indicated that occasionally, even up to a half a day or so could pass between the physical and spiritual birth times. Cayce's secretary/stenographer, Gladys Davis, in her readings was told that there was quite a difference between her physical and spiritual birth times.

I've noticed that people don't like hearing the above. It creates uncertainty. Humans like certainty. In fact, the ego of humans craves certainty. Perhaps nothing is more unsettling to the ego of humans than the unknown and uncertainty.

But, I've been doing this astrology thing for nearly 3 decades now, and occasionally I come upon charts that are just way off in the looks, personality, etc and allegedly with a accurate physical birth time. When you adjust the Rising/Ascendant position, suddenly the chart "makes holistic sense" again.

So, I would say, from this position, it is unlikely for your friend to actually have Taurus Asc. For the Ascendant to be modified by the Planets, the Planets need to be in direct, closish, major to medium aspect to the Asc--and especially are modifying when those Planets are in powerful areas of the chart (i.e. in or near Angles).

It is possible that she still has Taurus Asc technically, but I really, really doubt it is the degree that her physical birth time gives.

The beauty of this whole looks/genetic correlation thing to astrology, is that unlike personality and character, freewill use can't really change these things much except in superficial ways. Hence, unlike personality, it is a more sure indication. If the looks part is really off, chances are, the Ascendant degree or Sign completely is off.

People get hung up on this whole looks part of astrology, because they start to think in their mind (somehow) that the astrology is "causing" these differences. They think that because they also think that astrology "causes" the personality, character, life patterns, and events.

That is where they are completely wrong and don't understand what astrology really is. Astrology is like a consciousness map/compass and clock that CORRELATES to and reflects conditions that are already there due to other causes i.e. genetics, past lives/karma, choices made in the nonphysical during planning phases, etc. Astrology no more "causes" anything than the Tarot cards or tea leaves being read "cause" the conditions of those readings.

Which is why it drives me up the wall, when so many people constantly talk about how their charts, their synastry, etc "makes" them or others like this or that. No, your past use of will is what makes you like that. One just can't see the full picture of the past and therefore think superstitiously that the Planets and imaginary lines in space are somehow "causing" their life to be the way it is. In actuality, it is nothing more than a cosmic map or clock and symbolic language of consciousness, and the reason why it can and does work, is because everything is fundamentally interconnected/One on a deeper, unseen level.

It is that same interconnection that is responsible for the "spooky action" found in Quantum physics experiments that shatter our concepts of linear time/space and speed of Light constraints. In a reality of Oneness, one level or part of the whole, can "mirror/reflect" other levels and parts.

Carl Jung noticed this phenomenon and coined it "synchronicity". In one of his books/accounts, he talks about a patient who is telling him about her dream of an Egyptian Scarab beetle, and right at that moment, a beetle flies in through the window, which of Euro beetles most resembles the scarab. He experienced so many of these way beyond chance coincidences and thought long and hard about what they could mean, and that's why he came up with his new phrase to describe/correlate to it. Astrology is ultimately a kind of Jungian synchronicity based on the fundamental Oneness/interconnection of everything.

Rant over, #mic drop.

posted June 08, 2022 09:48 PM            

I know some people with 28 to 2 degree Rising Signs, and indeed, they are like blended merges between the two cusping Signs, and in a physical, personality, and life pattern kind of way.

One friend is particularly interesting because she has like a 0 degree Taurus Asc, but her ruling Planet, Venus is in late Aries and is the closest Planet to her Asc. She is like the most, nearly perfect 50 50 blend I have ever seen of two Signs--looks, personality, and life pattern wise. One moment you see the Aries in her, and the next moment it is the Taurus. And these are VERY different Signs/energies in most ways (except for their mutual self focus/centeredness and subjectivity), so it is kind of weird and unusual.

It's almost like super imposing two different pictures of two different people on top of each other, and getting a blend that way. If I didn't know her well, and if her physical and spiritual birth times weren't fairly close, I don't think I would ever have been able to peg her Ascendant just from her looks, personality-temperament, and life pattern.

posted June 09, 2022 09:13 AM            

And all my other placements resonate with me, so I have assumed that my chart is likely correct. I do indeed have very distinct looks in pictures- in that in some I look like one person, and in others it is very different. But I also have Neptune in my first house and feel like that can be at play too.

It makes me think of my daughter as well, as she has a 0degree Virgo rising. I see the Virgo in her looks, but not her behavior. I haven't put as much stock into it though bcs she's young and still maturing.

posted June 09, 2022 02:01 PM            

Does she happen to have anything else near her physical birth time Asc? Like say Taurus South Node or the like?

Reason why I ask, is that the Nodes have long been observed to correspond to major changes in the physical archetype of the Rising Signs.

I used to have a book all about this subject (literally just about Nodes conjunct the Asc and the alterations of body types). According to the research of the author of the book, too often to be a coincidence, South Node conjunct the Asc (especially closely) corresponds with a shortening of the body and sometimes other changes as well. Dwarfism can be linked to particularly close South Node-Asc conjunctions.

Meanwhile, the North Node conjunct the Asc is like the exact opposite. Tends to correlate to a lengthening and stretching out a person--making their body type more Sagittarius like in that sense--longer and taller (Sag isn't ALWAYS tall and long, but more often than not).

But if you exhaust all possible, normal/typical explanations, then it might be time to consider Cayce's work. If you read the definitive biography about him--Sidney Kirkpatrick's, "Edgar Cayce: An American Prophet", you will see that Cayce truly was in a league of his own with his psychic work (very befitting of someone with Leo Rising and Leo Uranus conjunct his Asc--Leo Asc indicating standing apart from the crowd and Uranus hyper amplified--indicating the ultra unusual and extreme i.e. also extremely noticeable and non ordinary (and pretty intuitive/psychic, which was strengthened by the ruling Planet being in Pisces in the 8th House, along with Venus, ruler of the Moon, also in Pisces, Mercury in Pisces, North Node in Pisces, and a wide conjunction of the Moon to Neptune and Pluto--Moon right between both of these, like at their midpoint).

Gemini Asc btw, while the men are sometimes on the taller side (it can actually be the next tallest Sign after Sag), sometimes the women with Gemini Asc are very slight and slender and/or small (shorter, I mean). Especially if their ruling Planet, Mercury, is in Pisces, Taurus, Cap, or the like.

posted June 09, 2022 05:01 PM            

She's not short, she's average height. She is just very petite and thin, only angular because of that. She is sure of her physical birth time, but she said she feels Pisces, and only sometimes finds Taurus resonates with her.

Venus and Mercury are both in Aqua for her.

Also, would the other aspects from NN/SN to ASC affect appearance? Like the square or the sextile/trine?

posted June 09, 2022 06:53 PM            

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She does have south node conjunct the ASC, from 2 degrees behind in the 12th house.

She's not short, she's average height. She is just very petite and thin, only angular because of that. She is sure of her physical birth time, but she said she feels Pisces, and only sometimes finds Taurus resonates with her.

Venus and Mercury are both in Aqua for her.

Also, would the other aspects from NN/SN to ASC affect appearance? Like the square or the sextile/trine?

Why would SN shorten and the NN lengthen. That's very interesting!

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