posted July 03, 2022 06:24 PM            

In the various charts online that I could find about her, all list a mid Cancer Rising with no particularly strong aspects to her Asc degree nor to her hypothetical chart ruler, the Moon in very early Aqua--except for a close square from Pluto--but Pluto is not known to correlate with a change in appearance on an overt, bodily level (more of a charged vibe, intense eyes, type stuff).

Cancer Rising is so clearly off for her for many reasons physically, personality wise, and holistically.

For some examples. She is 5'9" and has a lean, muscular, athletic body with a ovalish-squarish face. While she was kind of pretty/attractive in her youth more so (before she became a cult leader), she's always had, and increasingly so lately, a kind of strong, masculine undercurrent to both her physical looks, her voice, and personality.

This is no soft, sweet, gentle, passive Cancer Rising (with Moon in early Aqua). Cancer Rising as a sign archetype, tends to be on the shorter side and more overtly feminine looking unless it is being counter balanced by other major factors, like say Mars, Jupiter, Sun, etc conjunct or opposed the Asc or chart ruler.

What DOES however fit her looks, personality-energy, is Leo Rising with chart ruler in Gemini. Two quite Yang Signs. However, her chart ruler, the Sun is very closely conjunct Venus, and some or many people would say that she is also fairly attractive (Leo+strong Venus shading in). Even sometimes the way she sits or lounges is kind of feline/Leonine like.

And she has a strong, intense, charged energy as befitting someone with Leo Asc square Pluto and Scorpio Mars Saturn conjunction.

In this Leo Rising chart, there are various markers for considerable narcissism. Mars and Saturn strong and stressed and Pluto is strong and stressed, and at the end of the day, all that Leo and Gemini doesn't help counter balance.

Also, it fits her ex partner better too. In the chart that I have zeroed in on via intuition and holistic logic, she has Moon conjunct her Desc and Uranus and Neptune in the 5th. Blake seems very Lunar and Neptunian like. He is remarkably "go with the flow", passive, quiet, introverted, and generally seems like a human pin cushion and marshmallow of a man. Again, this is very Moon-Neptune in combo. It is however, NOT very Capricorn which is what the physical chart says her Desc is. True, she still has Moon in the 7th in the physical chart, but it is far away from the Desc. When a Planet is conjunct the Angle, it become ultra amplified/highlighted, and so we know that her partner is going to be not just fairly or kind of Lunar but also Cap, but in this case-VERY Lunar which fits better.

If there was ever a "peace at a price" personality, Blake fits it to a T. Though he sort of did grow a bit of a backbone for the sake of love (his relationship with Juliana).

Swan claims some very extreme childhood abuse. Some of the stuff is downright implausible, like being sewed up in a cadaver etc.

However, with Pluto closely conjunct her IC, and Scorpio Mars Saturn conjunction in the 4th, it is quite possible (plausible) that she did experience some kind of abuse/trauma during her childhood, and it would explain/correlate with her obvious severe narcissism.

If she wasn't causing so much damage to people and creating a cult and dividing people from their families and loved ones, etc, and didn't have such a cold, ultra self centered, hard, power hungry, and mean vibe...well I'd almost feel bad for her. But she IS dangerous, and I hope she it taken completely out.

It feels like she is in touch with some really nasty anti-guidance beings/groups. She will only get worse and worse, the more she allows herself to be influenced by them and her considerable ego.

Anyways, this is her proposed new chart: http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3;btyp=w2gw;nhor=2

(and her chart as commonly found online: http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Teal_Swan )

posted July 03, 2022 08:16 PM            

Anyways i feel i am the epitome of a Cancer rising, like from head to toe. I am short, big eyes, prominent breasts, fuller lips and have some meat on my cheeks. But sometimes i feel my Venus comes through in my appearance too maybe it`s like that for her too?

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Do you see any resemblance?

posted July 04, 2022 04:59 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Hi SleepyDiary,

You look more Cancer+Venus to me than does Teal Swan. Is Venus conjunct your Asc btw?

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Okey. No it’s not but i’m Venus dominant but the reason why i mentioned the Venus is because i have a fire Venus and sometimes i feel my Venus shows in my appearance, but maybe more so in my style. But i thought maybe since you thought Teal don’t look so Cancerian maybe it’s because her Venus sign shows up more even the moon can have an affect on your appearance esp the eyes. Do you know who Jenny slate is? Google her she’s a Cancer rising but i would have never thought she was. She actually looks like the exact opposite sign Capricorn more.

posted July 04, 2022 07:38 AM            

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My aunt told my dad that I should get help from her, several years ago. I said no. I’m glad that I didn’t get sucked in, even a little.

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Me too, I'm glad you vetoed that shite.

posted July 04, 2022 07:50 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
Teal's eyes look very Cancer ASC to me. Pretty much like Angelina Jolie - whose appearance seems similar to hers. So I don't know.

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Angelina, unlike Swan, has A LOT going on with her Asc in very powerful and repeating ways. She is very, very far from being a more "pure" Cancerian archetype.

For some examples. Her Asc is very late Cancer very closely cusping Leo (28*). If her birth time is off just by 6 to 8 minutes or so, she could actually have a Leo Asc herself. But even if that chart is completely accurate, there is a lot of blending/cusping going on with Leo--so she is a bit of a hybrid. You can definitely see the Leo in her as well. The Asc is the most sensitive point in relation to the cusping phenomena.

Then, she has Venus very closely conjunct her Asc. Planetary energies are far stronger than Sign. I think Angelina is way more attractive than Swan personally (especially so in her youth).

Then, Libra Uranus is VERY closely square her Asc degree. This correlates with her more tall and thin/lean frame (with another factor we will mention in a bit) than typical Cancer archetype Rising. Uranus is very high strung, full of nerves energy, which tends to lead to a faster metabolism. (In that sense, it is kind of like Mercury on roids).

Then, not only is her chart ruler, the Moon in Aries, but it is closely conjunct Aries Mars, and also Jupiter to a lesser extent. This also, along with very close Uranus square, correlates to a more lean and tall frame, but also correlates with a greater athletic type build, and a greater overall Yangness/masculine energy and looks than Cancer alone would suggest. (But of of course, the blend of Cancer+Venus would predominate, and so she ends up more feminine/yin than not).

If you saw the pics of SleepyDiary earlier, who has Cancer Asc, she is hyper feminine looking--more representative of a true/archetypal Cancer Asc.

The problem is, Swan's original chart, unlike Angelina's, doesn't have all this powerful counter balancing going on, hence why I really question it.

posted July 04, 2022 08:17 AM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
Okey. No it’s not but i’m Venus dominant but the reason why i mentioned the Venus is because i have a fire Venus and sometimes i feel my Venus shows in my appearance, but maybe more so in my style. But i thought maybe since you thought Teal don’t look so Cancerian maybe it’s because her Venus sign shows up more even the moon can have an affect on your appearance esp the eyes. Do you know who Jenny slate is? Google her she’s a Cancer rising but i would have never thought she was. She actually looks like the exact opposite sign Capricorn more.

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Do you have your full chart somewhere up here? I'd be curious to take a quick look at it in relation to this whole Asc to looks correlation. (Btw, you are very beautiful/attractive).

As to Jenny Slate--no, am not aware of her. The problem is, celebrity's chart are notoriously unreliable as to accuracy, and sometimes celebrities that are aware of astrology, like to mess with the public and give wrong times. Like for example, Jared Leto who has astrological references in his songs (for example, he literally has a song called "Capricorn"), and has two birth times out there for him--one that he gave on twitter (or instagram?), which doesn't match him well at all--almost like he was possibly messing with the public.

Then, even more importantly--I'm a long time student of the Edgar Cayce work. Cayce was a psychic and primarily medical intuitive that was active from the early 1900's to the early 1940's. He was a deeper south, fundamentalist Christian, 8th grade drop out farm boy i.e. pretty ignorant and unlearned--though he liked to read, but it was mostly entertainment novels and the Bible. He gave over 14, 300 readings over a nearly 40 year period. If you compiled all those readings and put them in a book form, said book would be around 50, 000 pages long.

I've looked at MANY different psychics and psychic sources from around the world, and I'm not exaggerating in the least when I say that this work contains the most hard verification and evidence it was the real deal than any other source that I've looked at and am aware of. Its why there are multiple biographies written about him/his life/his work. It's why there are literally hundreds of books that reference the name, Edgar Cayce. According to one source I read, the name/figure Edgar Cayce is one of the most referenced modern human figures in the Library of Congress. (Course, he doesn't beat out ancient ones like "Jesus" or the like). Truly, the Cayce work is in a league of its own--befitting of one with Leo Asc closely conjunct Leo Uranus (both Leo and Uranus are symbols that very much "stand out from the crowd"). And also had Moon conjunct the MC (classic, "well known by the public" pattern.

Cayce's source/guidance also talked a fair amount about spiritual and metaphysical topics like astrology (which, btw, contradicted his conscious fundamentalist Christian beliefs).

They dropped a giant monkey wrench onto astrology and astrologers when they said that the true, accurate chart for a person is for that time/moment when the Soul completes its energetic connections to the baby's body. This was said to occur around physical birth/first breath, and could be and sometimes was at same, but could also be some hours before to MANY hours AFTER. (I know of one case in this work where the physical birth time gives a Sag Rising, but the spiritual birth time gives Cancer).

Several people asked him their "spiritual birth times" were and several were told that there was a significant difference between their physical birth times. Cayce's guidance would sometimes even note, "Hence the confusion that often arises from the astrological perspective."

I take Cayce's work extremely seriously for many reasons that it would take too long to list. But I will just mention this. Before I came upon this info, my very psychic Mom told me one time that when I was born, it was awhile (many minutes, but she didn't remember exactly) after my body was birthed, that she saw a bright light descend and enter the baby's body. She knew intuitively that this was me--my soul.

And indeed, a bit later of a chart fits better holistically. My physical birth time gives a 10.5 degree Leo Asc and my adjusted time gives a 16 degree Leo Rising--the latter which fits transits and progressions to life events, and fits my looks and my strange/unusual back better (I'm missing an entire lower lumbar vertebrae and thus have a very unusually short back/torso--correlated to in the later chart, by the Asc being quincux the Sun in Cap cusping into the 6th House).

As to Jenny Slate, besides the two above factors I've mentioned--she could also just have a very modified Asc. For example, if Saturn is conjunct, opposed, closely square and heck, even if very closely trine her Asc, that could modify towards a more Cap like look. Similar, to a lesser degree if her chart ruler has strong and close aspects to Saturn. But, it could also be that her birth time is just off (again, common with celebrities) or her spiritual birth time differed significantly from her physical birth time.

The above 3 reasons are why I never assume that a chart is completely accurate.

Btw, as of next year, I will have been studying astrology for 3 decades/30 years. I'm quite practiced and quite good at this astrology thing. And I've seen too many charts that just don't fit holistically, and yet, so many that DO--why in some cases and not in others?

posted July 04, 2022 08:31 AM            

Cusping with Asc's can be active up to +/- around 9 degrees. But it is more noticed when it is +/- 7 degrees. The closer it gets to near exact though, the more and more it is noticed--and especially +/- 3 degrees. My estimate of 6 degree Leo Rising is just that, an estimate. It could be a little earlier, or a little later.

But if it was 100% completely accurate, then one would see a little Cancer/Moon in her as well, though Leo, Gemini, Venus, Saturn, and Mars, and some Scorpio would be stronger/more overt.

posted July 04, 2022 09:28 AM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Angelina, unlike Swan, has A LOT going on with her Asc in very powerful and repeating ways. She is very, very far from being a more "pure" Cancerian archetype.

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FINALLY someone said it 👏🏻 I have ALWAYS thought she was a bad example to use for this ascendant for all the reasons you mentioned. Before when i used to look at some physical examples for Cancer ascendants after i read how they looked like she would always show up as an ‘’Example’’ and it was so annoying because i felt she was far from being a pure example of this sign but still they would use her as the face of Cancer ascendants.

posted July 04, 2022 10:27 AM            

My partner of 21 years, who I know very well (sometimes better than she herself), was born with a physical birth time that gives a mid Aquarius Asc.

But here is the thing. She has no planets/points in either Capricorn nor Cancer. Her first major long term relationship was with a Cancer Sun guy. Her best friend from Highschool and awhile out of same (i.e. many years) has Cap Sun. Then there is me, and Capricorn is literally my strongest Sign.

My partner has medium brown hair, brown eyes, and can tan pretty well. She has a somewhat ovate type shape face. AS a personality, she has a very strong, kind of bossy/take charge, very resourceful, and kind of initially shy/introverted (upon first meeting her) personality. Far more Capricorn like than Aquarius.

So I started to work with a Cap Asc. Many years later, she had a guidance dream wherein a knowing voice/awareness told her what her true birth time was to the minute, and turns out, it was even earlier Capricorn than I had thought/worked with.

BUT, here is the thing, she is also quite modified from a stereotypical Cap Asc too, and this is shown by her chart ruler, Saturn, being in Libra and conjunct Libra Jupiter to the degree. (Saturn is also moderately opposed the Aries Moon, which shows both a lightening up, a slower metabolism, AND her rather large breasts).

Capricorn as an Ascendant archetype is typically average to below in height, very thin, lean, and bony, and on the darker complected side in especially caucasians. It is very classically "Hebraic" looking in nature (and indeed, there are long associations between Saturn, Capricorn, and the Hebrew/Jewish peoples).

In other ethnicities, Capricorn will again indicate a more melanated, darker complexion, but relative to that ethnicity. I mean for example, there is "black" and then there is Congo black--many various shades among other ethnicities. Capricorn inclines to greater melanation, but not to the degree of Taurus which is the most of any sign (and which, does seem to have like an archetypal connection to black African like looks).

Anyways, with the combo of very strong Jupiter and fairly strong Moon shading into her Cap Asc, this is what it works out to in actual practice/reality. She is fairly tall--a shade under 5'10". She was told by a chiropractor after he took an X-ray of her spine, that if her spine had developed fully optimally (she has some scoliosis and neck issues [she sure is a pain in MY neck..]) that she would have been nearly 6ft tall i.e. VERY Jupitarian.

She also has a larger bone structure and doesn't have a fast metabolism most of the time (Moon and Jupiter). And as mentioned, she has rather large breasts (Moon) and while she can tan pretty well (Capricorn), she has freckles and some reddish under-tint to her hair (Aries) and isn't as dark as most Cap Risings (due to the combo Moon and Aries shading in).

Anyways, a very good example of both the physical, birth time chart being off AND the Ascendant archetype being greatly modified by powerful Planetary connections to the Asc.

I told her that if she actually had the birth chart of her physical birth time, it would have correlated with a giant blonde Viking Goddess of a woman. Since her Asc would have been conjunct the Aqua Sun and Venus and still with her traditional/faster moving chart ruler, Saturn in Libra very closely conjunct Jupiter and moderately opposed Aries Moon.(and Aqua is lighter, taller and, stronger looking than Cap as it is, not to mention all that Sun etc also shading in.)

posted July 04, 2022 10:41 AM            

He is fairly Cap looking in most ways, except for his taller height and his zany, all over the place energy.

There are two charts for him up. Both though, have a late Cap Asc cusping Aquarius strongly and with Libra Uranus very closely square his Asc.

It is that very close Libra Uranus square, and cusping Aqua, that "explains" (i.e. correlates with the genetics) the taller height. (I've seen in between 6ft and 6' 1 1/2").

As a pure archetype, in a male, Cap would correspond more to a range of like 5'6" to 5'9" in say the average American reference/context. Course it would be different if you were looking at say the Pygmie peoples (very short average), or conversely the Masai tribe or the Dutch peoples (very tall average).

posted July 04, 2022 01:14 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Do you have your full chart somewhere up here? I'd be curious to take a quick look at it in relation to this whole Asc to looks correlation. (Btw, you are very beautiful/attractive).

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*Blushing* Thank you ☺️

I don’t have my chart here but if you don’t mind could you look at a synastry chart between me and a friend? If you don’t mind we can jump over to personal readings or something

posted July 04, 2022 01:15 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
I'll give a good example of both physical and spiritual birth times not matching, AND Planetary "interference" really changing the archetype of the Ascendant Sign.

My partner of 21 years, who I know very well (sometimes better than she herself), was born with a physical birth time that gives a mid Aquarius Asc.

But here is the thing. She has no planets/points in either Capricorn nor Cancer. Her first major long term relationship was with a Cancer Sun guy. Her best friend from Highschool and awhile out of same (i.e. many years) has Cap Sun. Then there is me, and Capricorn is literally my strongest Sign.

My partner has medium brown hair, brown eyes, and can tan pretty well. She has a somewhat ovate type shape face. AS a personality, she has a very strong, kind of bossy/take charge, very resourceful, and kind of initially shy/introverted (upon first meeting her) personality. Far more Capricorn like than Aquarius.

So I started to work with a Cap Asc. Many years later, she had a guidance dream wherein a knowing voice/awareness told her what her true birth time was to the minute, and turns out, it was even earlier Capricorn than I had thought/worked with.

BUT, here is the thing, she is also quite modified from a stereotypical Cap Asc too, and this is shown by her chart ruler, Saturn, being in Libra and conjunct Libra Jupiter to the degree. (Saturn is also moderately opposed the Aries Moon, which shows both a lightening up, a slower metabolism, AND her rather large breasts).

Capricorn as an Ascendant archetype is typically average to below in height, very thin, lean, and bony, and on the darker complected side in especially caucasians. It is very classically "Hebraic" looking in nature (and indeed, there are long associations between Saturn, Capricorn, and the Hebrew/Jewish peoples).

In other ethnicities, Capricorn will again indicate a more melanated, darker complexion, but relative to that ethnicity. I mean for example, there is "black" and then there is Congo black--many various shades among other ethnicities. Capricorn inclines to greater melanation, but not to the degree of Taurus which is the most of any sign (and which, does seem to have like an archetypal connection to black African like looks).

Anyways, with the combo of very strong Jupiter and fairly strong Moon shading into her Cap Asc, this is what it works out to in actual practice/reality. She is fairly tall--a shade under 5'10". She was told by a chiropractor after he took an X-ray of her spine, that if her spine had developed fully optimally (she has some scoliosis and neck issues [she sure is a pain in MY neck..]) that she would have been nearly 6ft tall i.e. VERY Jupitarian.

She also has a larger bone structure and doesn't have a fast metabolism most of the time (Moon and Jupiter). And as mentioned, she has rather large breasts (Moon) and while she can tan pretty well (Capricorn), she has freckles and some reddish under-tint to her hair (Aries) and isn't as dark as most Cap Risings (due to the combo Moon and Aries shading in).

Anyways, a very good example of both the physical, birth time chart being off AND the Ascendant archetype being greatly modified by powerful Planetary connections to the Asc.

I told her that if she actually had the birth chart of her physical birth time, it would have correlated with a giant blonde Viking Goddess of a woman. Since her Asc would have been conjunct the Aqua Sun and Venus and still with her traditional/faster moving chart ruler, Saturn in Libra very closely conjunct Jupiter and moderately opposed Aries Moon.(and Aqua is lighter, taller and, stronger looking than Cap as it is, not to mention all that Sun etc also shading in.)

(P.S., tip to any men out there. Don't ever tell your spouse something like this--then you have to backpedal from the foot in mouth..., "What do you MEAN?! I'm NOT a Goddess now?! You've got some splaining to do Mister!")

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posted July 04, 2022 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:

I don’t have my chart here but if you don’t mind could you look at a synastry chart between me and a friend? If you don’t mind we can jump over to personal readings or something

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Synastry takes a lot of time and energy for me because it is so much information, and I'm an introvert (and energy sensitive). I tend to get a bit overloaded when looking at synastric chart comparisons. And as I'm currently in a low energy state and need to marshal my energy for other things, I'll have to decline.

I mean, I can take a look still and maybe point out some stuff, but I don't have the time and especially energy to do a full delineation.

(That, and ime/o, most people don't want to hear the actual truth about their synastry. Often, they want to hear what they want to believe, which is another reason why I tend to stay away from it).

posted July 04, 2022 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:

Synastry takes a lot of time and energy for me because it is so much information, and I'm an introvert (and energy sensitive). I tend to get a bit overloaded when looking at synastric chart comparisons. And as I'm currently in a low energy state and need to marshal my energy for other things, I'll have to decline.

I mean, I can take a look still and maybe point out some stuff, but I don't have the time and especially energy to do a full delineation.

(That, and ime/o, most people don't want to hear the actual truth about their synastry. Often, they want to hear what they want to believe, which is another reason why I tend to stay away from it).

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Okey i understand. I really just wanted to know about house overlays

posted July 04, 2022 04:25 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Like I said, I am willing to take a gander, and if anything important or unusual seems to stick out, I'll address it.

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