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Topic: Why can't he get to the point?
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kani Knowflake Posts: 1150 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted August 20, 2022 11:47 AM
This is my partner. Whenever he explains something he always takes ages to get to the point. Even with unimportant things he cannot just give a short precise answer. It's always a long essay. I've told him numerous times to cut it short (not just me, but also others) but he doesn't seem to get it. How can you astrologically explain this?https://i.imgur.com/XUYzdJU.jpg https://i.imgur.com/37eaL3x.jpg IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 1796 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted August 20, 2022 12:32 PM
Neptune AC sq Mercury, plus a Pisces placement. It might be synastry also. I have a similar problem with people with Neptune and Aqua .IP: Logged |
kani Knowflake Posts: 1150 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted August 20, 2022 12:50 PM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: Neptune AC sq Mercury, plus a Pisces placement. It might be synastry also. I have a similar problem with people with Neptune and Aqua .
Thank you. I thought the square from Neptune/AC to mercury would be a bit wide, no? And no it's not just synastry, he is known for this with many people, lol. I think he wants to be thorough all the time because he feels that he needs to be as detailed as possible in order to convey the truth. Many times this is unnecessary/annoying and oftentimes he digresses and ends up talking about completely unrelated stuff.
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Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 1796 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted August 20, 2022 01:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by kani: Thank you. I thought the square from Neptune/AC to mercury would be a bit wide, no? And no it's not just synastry, he is known for this with many people, lol.I think he wants to be thorough all the time because he feels that he needs to be as detailed as possible in order to convey the truth. Many times this is unnecessary/annoying and oftentimes he digresses and ends up talking about completely unrelated stuff.
6 degree is still working. Moreover, Mercury Neptune Mars Chiron make t-square. Aries Mercury is usually quite straightforward, it’s getting lost with Neptune. Mercury ruler is also afflicted by Neptune. Probably, Chiron adds frustrations there. Interesting, his Mercury is the same degree as his Pisces moon. It’s a minor aspect, and should be ok. But it’s a lot of Neptune interaction. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 22731 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 20, 2022 01:48 PM
I have mercury in Aries, and I can have trouble getting to the point. Either that, or I get to it right away, and people think I’m too blunt. I rarely tell jokes, because I can’t just get them out. I will forget something, or just not get it right. IP: Logged |
kani Knowflake Posts: 1150 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted August 20, 2022 01:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: 6 degree is still working. Moreover, Mercury Neptune Mars Chiron make t-square. Aries Mercury is usually quite straightforward, it’s getting lost with Neptune. Mercury ruler is also afflicted by Neptune. Probably, Chiron adds frustrations there. Interesting, his Mercury is the same degree as his Pisces moon. It’s a minor aspect, and should be ok. But it’s a lot of Neptune interaction.
That makes sense. So Neptune influence would dilute mercury in Aries' directness, right? What would you say is the reason for his need to be thorough? IP: Logged |
kani Knowflake Posts: 1150 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted August 20, 2022 01:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: I have mercury in Aries, and I can have trouble getting to the point. Either that, or I get to it right away, and people think I’m too blunt. I rarely tell jokes, because I can’t just get them out. I will forget something, or just not get it right.
I have a friend who is born 9 days before my boyfriend so he also has an Aries mercury and gets to the point rather quickly. Yeah he can be very blunt and matter of fact as well. I appreciate the bluntness but I have trouble with his constant talking and beating around the bush
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charlie Knowflake Posts: 5365 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted August 20, 2022 02:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: I have mercury in Aries, and I can have trouble getting to the point. Either that, or I get to it right away, and people think I’m too blunt. I rarely tell jokes, because I can’t just get them out. I will forget something, or just not get it right.
My husband is exactly like this! Also Mercury in Aries. Either he’s extremely blunt, especially when he’s mean, or he takes FOREVER to get to the point. IP: Logged |
kani Knowflake Posts: 1150 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted August 20, 2022 02:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by charlie: My husband is exactly like this! Also Mercury in Aries. Either he’s extremely blunt, especially when he’s mean, or he takes FOREVER to get to the point.
I wonder if your husband and teasel share other aspects with my boyfriend IP: Logged |
kani Knowflake Posts: 1150 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted August 20, 2022 02:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: I have mercury in Aries, and I can have trouble getting to the point. Either that, or I get to it right away, and people think I’m too blunt. I rarely tell jokes, because I can’t just get them out. I will forget something, or just not get it right.
what merc aspects do you have and what is your sun sign? The issue with my bf is that he won't admit that he regularly goes off on a tangent. Too stubborn!
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 9685 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted August 20, 2022 02:56 PM
Any time that anyone takes forever to get to the point, I think of Sagittarius /Virgo/Gemini or Pisces.Jup can want to cover all bases when a question is asked. Mercury can dive into specifics and slice the answer into 2 different perspective with concurrent different variations for each. That is TMI. In his chart,Jup in Leohouse 7 is contra parallel and opp Sat in Aqua in house 1. At times he can be a brief as a silent fart in a closed room. But effective in getting the message "across" the room🤣. But at the other times, he can be as long-winded as the lungs of a Scottish bag-pipe player during the Queen's Jubilee. Looooooooooooong and slooooooooow to be over🙆🏿♂️ IP: Logged |
kani Knowflake Posts: 1150 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted August 20, 2022 03:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Any time that anyone takes forever to get to the point, I think of Sagittarius /Virgo/Gemini or Pisces.Jup can want to cover all bases when a question is asked. Mercury can dive into specifics and slice the answer into 2 different perspective with concurrent different variations for each. That is TMI. In his chart,Jup in Leohouse 7 is contra parallel and opp Sat in Aqua in house 1. At times he can be a brief as a silent fart in a closed room. But effective in getting the message "across" the room🤣. But at the other times, he can be as long-winded as the lungs of a Scottish bag-pipe player during the Queen's Jubilee. Looooooooooooong and slooooooooow to be over🙆🏿♂️
The last part: spot on haha And yeah why didn't I think of Jupiter? It is about excess (excessive talking and explaining) and Jupiter should have been on the radar from the get go. Thank you Aries! Always love reading you. Question: do you have any idea how to counteract that? I told him a million times to cut to the point but to no avail
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 9685 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted August 20, 2022 03:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by kani: The last part: spot on hahaAnd yeah why didn't I think of Jupiter? It is about excess (excessive talking and explaining) and Jupiter should have been on the radar from the get go. Thank you Aries! Always love reading you. Question: do you have any idea how to counteract that? I told him a million times to cut to the point but to no avail
Unfortunately you can't. Jupiter is the professor. Ever gotten a simple yes/no from a question posed to a professor? Not possible. They have to write a dissertation. Its a must. Lol. And that's because Jupiter wants to cover ALL bases. ALL☝🏿 So whilst they are talking, inspiration hits them to go to England, then Australia, then France. This even if you were asking about Brazil. To Jupiter ALL are connected to the big picture and are therefore ALL a part of the answer.🤷🏿♂️
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kani Knowflake Posts: 1150 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted August 20, 2022 03:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aries23Degrees: Unfortunately you can't. Jupiter is the professor. Evee gotten a simpke yes/ni from a question pised to anprifessir? Not possible. They have to write a dissertation. Its a must. Lol. And thats because Jupiter wants to cover ALL bases. ALL☝🏿
And that is exactly the reason why I always like to dig deeper in synastry - beyond the usual suspects. My mercury in aqua sextiles his mercury in aries but that's not the end of it. His long winded answers massively trigger my mercury square uranus (and uranus being the ruler of my mercury at the same time).
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SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 442 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 20, 2022 03:48 PM
I have seen this a lot with people that are Earthy. I for example find Obama to be like this. I find him to be a bit long winded and if i remember correctly i think he has a 6th house Sun and Mercury and also Mercury opposite Saturn. Earthy people can also use a long time answering someone like a friend of mine complained about her ex using a long time answering her when they had a face to face conversation and thought he was so ‘’slow’’ in his communication and he had a Capricorn stellium and i have also noticed this with some Earthy people. But i have an airy Mercury so Earthy people might be too ‘’slow’’ in their communication for me or i’m too quick. IP: Logged |
kani Knowflake Posts: 1150 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted August 20, 2022 03:50 PM
quote: Originally posted by SleepyDiary: I have seen this a lot with people that are Earthy. I for example find Obama to be like this. I find him to be a bit long winded and if i remember correctly i think he has a 6th house Sun and Mercury and also Mercury opposite Saturn. Earthy people can also use a long time answering someone like a friend of mine complained about her ex using a long time answering her when they had a face to face conversation and thought he was so ‘’slow’’ in his communication and he had a Capricorn stellium and i have also noticed this with some Earthy people. But i have an airy Mercury so Earthy people might be too ‘’slow’’ in their communication for me or i’m too quick.
Earth definitely can play a part. He also can't be rushed. It's astonishing actually and the fact that people around him get impatient with his long answers don't make him budge either. My aqua mercury would never act like that lol. And yeah I agree that Obama oozes Earth energy. Funnily enough I was actually thinking of Obama earlier today. How he comes across very likeable so people have a harder time to believe that he also made mistakes during his reign. There is something trust inducing about him. But I digress (like my boyfriend haha). IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 22731 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 20, 2022 03:55 PM
I have a wide square between mercury and Saturn. Mercury is also widely conjunct my ceres, Chiron, and sun. Also Psyche, but I don’t know much about that. Plus a trine to my MC. It’s in the 6th house. I have moon and Venus in Gemini, square mars in Pisces. IP: Logged |
kani Knowflake Posts: 1150 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted August 21, 2022 04:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by teasel: I have a wide square between mercury and Saturn. Mercury is also widely conjunct my ceres, Chiron, and sun. Also Psyche, but I don’t know much about that. Plus a trine to my MC. It’s in the 6th house. I have moon and Venus in Gemini, square mars in Pisces.
Would a square between Saturn and mercury not make you someone who doesn't like to talk much and is rather tight-lipped? IP: Logged |
SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 442 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 21, 2022 05:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by kani: Would a square between Saturn and mercury not make you someone who doesn't like to talk much and is rather tight-lipped?
It can have similarities with Mercury in Capricorn who can have a slower communication. My friend has Saturn in the 3rd house with a 10th house Mercury and she can be soo slow sometimes before she grasp something i say and can be long winded. Sometimes it will be awkward silences with me just looking at them thinking things through. I just think Air is too quick for Earth. I have a 3rd house Libra Mercury square to Uranus and people have a hard time sometimes keeping up with me and i maybe need to slow down. But this is the element i find the sloooowest in their communication. It can feel like watching a snail trying to move across the street for me. Water sometimes can annoy me too with their lack of verbal communication and a ‘’shy’’ way of communicating. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 22731 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 21, 2022 06:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by kani: Would a square between Saturn and mercury not make you someone who doesn't like to talk much and is rather tight-lipped?
I have dealt with social anxiety for years, although things I've dealt with, and everything that's gone on politically, can help to circumvent that - when I have strong feelings. I'm not usually slow to take things in, it just mainly crops up in anxiety, I think. I used to love to study things, just for fun. I was a pretty smart kid, but not Harvard smart. I can be very quiet, but around people like my immediate family, I can talk too much. I've calmed down a lot, when it comes to talking a lot, and fidgeting, and what-not. I was reading about ADHD, last night, and women. I like to listen, and just take things in, and would do that as I was drawing, or doing something else, when I was younger. I still do that, when I'm working on something. IP: Logged |
kani Knowflake Posts: 1150 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted August 22, 2022 03:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by SleepyDiary: It can have similarities with Mercury in Capricorn who can have a slower communication. My friend has Saturn in the 3rd house with a 10th house Mercury and she can be soo slow sometimes before she grasp something i say and can be long winded. Sometimes it will be awkward silences with me just looking at them thinking things through. I just think Air is too quick for Earth. I have a 3rd house Libra Mercury square to Uranus and people have a hard time sometimes keeping up with me and i maybe need to slow down. But this is the element i find the sloooowest in their communication. It can feel like watching a snail trying to move across the street for me. Water sometimes can annoy me too with their lack of verbal communication and a ‘’shy’’ way of communicating.
I just checked his house placements again and his mercury is in the 3rd house with Saturn being in the 1st . His mercury ruler Mars is square mercury. That might explain, too. I feel you on the snail lol. Same here! But a very stubborn snail that can't get rushed no matter what. And yeah I have an air mercury with a uranus square, too. It can't get quick enough for me. I'm a bit too impatient at times maybe and people told me numerous times they can't keep up and told me to slown down so I'm basically my boyfriend's opposite. IP: Logged |
SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 442 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 22, 2022 05:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by kani: I just checked his house placements again and his mercury is in the 3rd house with Saturn being in the 1st . His mercury ruler Mars is square mercury. That might explain, too.I feel you on the snail lol. Same here! But a very stubborn snail that can't get rushed no matter what. And yeah I have an air mercury with a uranus square, too. It can't get quick enough for me. I'm a bit too impatient at times maybe and people told me numerous times they can't keep up and told me to slown down so I'm basically my boyfriend's opposite.
Do you also jump from topic to topic in your head? Haha i can do this. Like i can think about one thing then jump over to another thing then back to that first thing and then an elephant giving birth can end all things (for a short while that is haha) Sometimes i think If people think i can be visibly impatient i can just imagine what they would have thought if they could hear my thoughts. I can have a lot of random thoughts that have nothing to do with how i feel too like with that Elephant. That came to me in the middle of me being down about something. I just all of a sudden started thinking about how elephants give birth and wanted to see how they do it so i went on YouTube and watched some clips. I can also be impatient with music if i don’t like the vibe of the music within the first few seconds of hitting play it’s onto the next song. It has been a few songs i wasn’t fair to because of my impatience because some turned out to be great songs afterall haha. My friend also has Saturn square her Ascendant with a 10th house stellium of her Sun, Moon and Mercury. IP: Logged |
kani Knowflake Posts: 1150 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted August 22, 2022 05:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by SleepyDiary: Do you also jump from topic to topic in your head? Haha i can do this. Like i can think about one thing then jump over to another thing then back to that first thing and then an elephant giving birth can end all things (for a short while that is haha) Sometimes i think If people think i can be visibly impatient i can just imagine what they would have thought if they could hear my thoughts. I can have a lot of random thoughts that have nothing to do with how i feel too like with that Elephant. That came to me in the middle of me being down about something. I just all of a sudden started thinking about how elephants give birth and wanted to see how they do it so i went on YouTube and watched some clips. I can also be impatient with music if i don’t like the vibe of the music within the first few seconds of hitting play it’s onto the next song. It has been a few songs i wasn’t fair to because of my impatience because some turned out to be great songs afterall haha. My friend also has Saturn square her Ascendant with a 10th house stellium of her Sun, Moon and Mercury.
Yes! I jump from topic to topic in my head all the time! And yeah I also think what would they say if they could look into my head. I'm already being outwardly patient in my book. It takes a lot of energy not expressing all my thoughts haha IP: Logged |
SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 442 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 22, 2022 11:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by kani: Yes! I jump from topic to topic in my head all the time! And yeah I also think what would they say if they could look into my head. I'm already being outwardly patient in my book. It takes a lot of energy not expressing all my thoughts haha
Haha i feel you ☺️ It can be so annoying having so much random thoughts in your head but also kinda funny. Sometimes i have to laugh at myself because of how random i can be IP: Logged |
kani Knowflake Posts: 1150 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted August 22, 2022 12:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by SleepyDiary: Haha i feel you ☺️ It can be so annoying having so much random thoughts in your head but also kinda funny. Sometimes i have to laugh at myself because of how random i can be
I always say I'm never bored. My head always entertains me. I can freuently make myself laugh until I cry
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