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Topic: What do you think is the weakest and strongest influence in the chart?
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SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 458 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 23, 2022 04:29 PM
Out of personal planets i think Mars is the weakest influence unless it’s in a fire sign then i find it to show more in a person. The strongest for me is the Moon The Moon is a very powerful influence and anything that touches it will also powerfully influence the personality. This is the real you in my opinion you don’t have to ‘’put’’ on the Moon like Venus must when she’s only interested in someone or wants to express her love or like Mars when he goes after something. it’s just there underneath it all at all times when you feel safe and comfortable the real you will come forth this is you at your core. Those that really knows you will describe you as your Moon. Out of aspects/signs/houses i find the sextile to be the weakest it’s barely there i see the sextile like something you put away in your closet like a piece of clothing you barely use. The strongest is the Signs in my opinion they own whatever planet their in they might welcome an aspect or house but the sign still rules. The house and aspects i feel shows more ‘’other’’ people in a person’s life esp when it comes to Mars and Venus or themes in a person’s life rather than the person themselves the exception is the moon anything that touches that will have a powerful affect on the personality in my opinion but even then i have seen it has been hard for the aspect and house to ‘’put’’ away the sign. IP: Logged |
Aries Eagle Moderator Posts: 2142 From: 🦅🔱 Registered: Jan 2013
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posted August 23, 2022 06:33 PM
I think the Sun is considered a personal planet even if it technically a star not planet. For me the Sun is the strongest.IP: Logged |
SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 458 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 23, 2022 07:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Aries Eagle: I think the Sun is considered a personal planet even if it technically a star not planet. For me the Sun is the strongest.
I also consider the Sun a personal planet. I don’t find the Sun to be that strong tbh unless like with Mars it’s in a fire sign or if you have more personal planets or the Ascendant in the same Sign as your Sun. IP: Logged |
Aries Eagle Moderator Posts: 2142 From: 🦅🔱 Registered: Jan 2013
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posted August 23, 2022 07:26 PM
Linda Goodman considers the Sun to make 80% of the personality... Here is youtube video she talks about it http://youtu.be/m2TuUh3zRHE. For me I would say it makes 50% at least.
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SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 458 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 23, 2022 07:53 PM
I know a lot of Astrologers find the Sun to be strong many even considers it to be the strongest but in my observation i don’t find it to be that powerful of an influence especially compared to the Moon but i find it stronger than Mars. But If it receives a major aspect esp more than one i can find the Sun to be more ‘’active’’ in a person. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess Knowflake Posts: 636 From: us Registered: Sep 2018
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posted August 23, 2022 08:56 PM
For me Mercury is the strongest because nothing bears a sharp mind.IP: Logged |
SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 458 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 23, 2022 09:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by athenegoddess: For me Mercury is the strongest because nothing bears a sharp mind.
That is a close second for me after the Moon. The way you feel can strongly affect the way you think but also the way you think can strongly affect the way you feel so these two have a very close tie. But ultimately the moon is your heart your core the ‘’one’’ you are in my opinion. IP: Logged |
StoneMoon Knowflake Posts: 966 From: Registered: Apr 2018
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posted August 24, 2022 07:53 AM
God I hope it is not the moon... I am a Cap moon (in the 2nd house) and that is NOT how I want to be known. I feel like it's my biggest detriment. Thinking of those closest to me, I definitely see the Sun in most people, but I think that actually shows more to me as I get to know them. I do think Venus and Mars are backup vocals if Sun and Moon are the lead. In my circle of friends, I know them by the their Moon. So in other words, you are right about the Moon being strong. But when I think of people I know a little more peripherally, I pick up on Mars. Coworkers for example- I feel like I can see their Mars more than other planets- but we are at work and it's all about action. Less often I feel their Mercury or Venus. And I can usually pick up on aspects- Mars/Pluto is a big one I feel. IP: Logged |
LilyIris07 Knowflake Posts: 160 From: A South African in South Korea Registered: Jan 2022
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posted August 24, 2022 08:58 AM
I think Mercury would be the weakest? I mean I know it deals with communication (which is very NB) and thinking, but without Mars we wouldn’t ever really ACT on anything? Like Mars pushes us to move doesn’t it? I would say the Moon is the strongest, along side the Sun. But perhaps it depends on the person, like if you’re more introverted you’d spend more time within yourself with your Moon? IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 1807 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted August 24, 2022 10:34 AM
It depends on the individual chart. I don’t believe it’s the same. For example, 12th house would hide energies of the planets and might prevent them to express strongly, but aspects could strengthen it. On the other side, aspects modify original energies. Also, closeness to axises and 1st house make planets more prominent.
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sis Knowflake Posts: 644 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted August 24, 2022 11:51 AM
It all depends on the chart. Without the Jupiter sextiles in my chart I would not have survived. I have Saturn opposing, Pluto squaring majority of my personal planets - asc in Cap, Jupiter is sextiling them. bringing its light to a very dark scenario. Each and every planet and light and aspect have a say and their influence can get stronger depending on the transits.
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SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 458 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 24, 2022 12:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by StoneMoon: God I hope it is not the moon... I am a Cap moon (in the 2nd house) and that is NOT how I want to be known. I feel like it's my biggest detriment. Thinking of those closest to me, I definitely see the Sun in most people, but I think that actually shows more to me as I get to know them. I do think Venus and Mars are backup vocals if Sun and Moon are the lead. In my circle of friends, I know them by the their Moon. So in other words, you are right about the Moon being strong. But when I think of people I know a little more peripherally, I pick up on Mars. Coworkers for example- I feel like I can see their Mars more than other planets- but we are at work and it's all about action. Less often I feel their Mercury or Venus. And I can usually pick up on aspects- Mars/Pluto is a big one I feel.
Why would you not be known by your Moon? What i have eventually noticed by Cap moons is their strenght that kinda shows pretty much from the get go and maturity. Even as children you’ll noticed they act like little adults sometimes. They are great with responsibilities too and also turn out to have a softer side to them that is just lovely to see. I swear i have also noticed they have a ‘’Karma affect’’ on people so people should be a bit careful with how they treat you guys. You are ruled by Saturn afterall the planet of Karma.
I have also noticed Mars/Pluto in people especially with the women but it’s more with the men they are dealing with which usually tend to be very jealous types. I see the Sun too but i feel it’s just there for like 9 mins and then their Moons start showing.
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SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 458 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 24, 2022 12:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by LilyIris07: I think Mercury would be the weakest? I mean I know it deals with communication (which is very NB) and thinking, but without Mars we wouldn’t ever really ACT on anything? Like Mars pushes us to move doesn’t it? I would say the Moon is the strongest, along side the Sun. But perhaps it depends on the person, like if you’re more introverted you’d spend more time within yourself with your Moon?
You know i thought that at first too but then i realised Mercury really deals a lot with the mind which is a very powerful part of someone. I definitivly see the mars too but sometimes i feel Venus affect the way we act on something too esp in the romance department. I have also seen extroverted people show their Moon very strongly they can have the most ‘’shyest’’ introverted Suns, Ascendants etc but that Fire or Air moon will just bulldoze right through it in a matter of minutes. Even fire or air moons that are more introverted because they might have their moons in the 8th or 12th house you’ll noticed after a while how opinionated and expressive they really turn out to be.
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SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 458 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 24, 2022 03:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: It depends on the individual chart. I don’t believe it’s the same. For example, 12th house would hide energies of the planets and might prevent them to express strongly, but aspects could strengthen it. On the other side, aspects modify original energies. Also, closeness to axises and 1st house make planets more prominent. I have much in the prominent positions so I’m not sure. Moon would do a lot to me, but I’m mostly upset how my emotional state could ruin the whole deal and I try to stabilize and control it. Still doesn’t work too good. I would say Mercury, but many of my actions don’t have much logic lol Sun - hm, It’s in fall so I try to battle its qualities many times and find it rather obstacle at times. It’s weird, but I often try not to act like my prominent signs…
Yes it’s true the 12th house do hide energies but i think it depends on the Sign the Planet is in. Like for example the 12th house has the most ‘’difficulty’’ hiding fire signs because they are so expressive and reactionary. I have seen 12th house fire Venuses that are still expressing their ‘’way’’ of love rather than that of the 12th house but the 12th house themes have been around them like someone having a secret crush on them or getting themselves into complicated 12th house themes situations but their loving side is not hidden or anything. IP: Logged |
SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 458 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 24, 2022 03:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by sis: It all depends on the chart. Without the Jupiter sextiles in my chart I would not have survived. I have Saturn opposing, Pluto squaring majority of my personal planets - asc in Cap, Jupiter is sextiling them. bringing its light to a very dark scenario. Each and every planet and light and aspect have a say and their influence can get stronger depending on the transits.
I can totally see someone with a few sextiles in their charts expressing them more often and everything in the chart do have a say yes i agree but some more than others. It’s not like i don’t see the mars or the sextile i just don’t think it’s that prominent in people esp compared to other planets/aspects. IP: Logged |
sis Knowflake Posts: 644 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted August 25, 2022 03:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by SleepyDiary: I can totally see someone with a few sextiles in their charts expressing them more often and everything in the chart do have a say yes i agree but some more than others. It’s not like i don’t see the mars or the sextile i just don’t think it’s that prominent in people esp compared to other planets/aspects.
Maybe in your chart... I have Mars in Sag conjunction Neptune opposing Moon squaring Jupiter in my chart. It is very prominent. Mars placement and aspects have been the major cocreator of my life story... shaping my personality, defining my drive and actions, reactions - to what I react- and the man in my life... As an example If someone has a hot temper you will always see Mars making adverse aspects to personal planets. Come on its Mars... not an astreoid... IP: Logged |
sis Knowflake Posts: 644 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted August 25, 2022 03:39 AM
quote: Originally posted by SleepyDiary: I can totally see someone with a few sextiles in their charts expressing them more often and everything in the chart do have a say yes i agree but some more than others. It’s not like i don’t see the mars or the sextile i just don’t think it’s that prominent in people esp compared to other planets/aspects.
Maybe in your chart... I have Mars in Sag conjunction Neptune opposing Moon squaring Jupiter in my chart. It is very prominent. Mars placement and aspects have been the major cocreator of my life story... shaping my personality, defining my drive and actions, reactions - to what I react- and the man in my life... As an example If someone has a hot temper you will always see Mars making adverse aspects to personal planets. Come on its Mars... not an astreoid... IP: Logged |
SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 458 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 25, 2022 04:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by sis: Maybe in your chart... I have Mars in Sag conjunction Neptune opposing Moon squaring Jupiter in my chart. It is very prominent. Mars placement and aspects have been the major cocreator of my life story... shaping my personality, defining my drive and actions, reactions - to what I react- and the man in my life... As an example If someone has a hot temper you will always see Mars making adverse aspects to personal planets. Come on its Mars... not an astreoid...
Of course Mars gets more prominent when it makes aspects to other planets esp Mars-Moon aspects but the Sign in the Mars don’t show that much which is why i don’t find the Mars that prominent. Mars people act more like Arians and not like the Sign their Mars is in even when they make other aspects like to Neptune it will add a Piscean flavor to their Mars. In my opinion this is the easiest planet to overshadow the Signs and be overshadowed by other placements. IP: Logged |
sis Knowflake Posts: 644 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted August 25, 2022 04:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by SleepyDiary: Of course Mars gets more prominent when it makes aspects to other planets esp Mars-Moon aspects but the Sign in the Mars don’t show that much which is why i don’t find the Mars that prominent. Mars people act more like Arians and not like the Sign their Mars is in even when they make other aspects like to Neptune it will add a Piscean flavor to their Mars. In my opinion this is the easiest planet to overshadow the Signs and be overshadowed by other placements.
My Mars in Sag - I am the defender of lofty ideals. I can not stand injustice. I just cant. I fight for justice. Sometimes I feel like a Don Quixote against the windmills... Unfortunately due to Jupiter * the ruler of my Mars - being in my 3rd house I can be very feisty while talking about my beliefs- ideals... I am sure you have valid reason for degrading Mars but my personal experience is different. When I think of my people s Mars sign placements the influence is very prominent as well. IP: Logged |
SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 458 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 25, 2022 05:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by sis: My Mars in Sag - I am the defender of lofty ideals. I can not stand injustice. I just cant. I fight for justice. Sometimes I feel like a Don Quixote against the windmills... Unfortunately due to Jupiter * the ruler of my Mars - being in my 3rd house I can be very feisty while talking about my beliefs- ideals... I am sure you have valid reason for degrading Mars but my personal experience is different. When I think of my people s Mars sign placements the influence is very prominent as well.
I did also say that Mars in fire signs show more in people though. I just don’t feel like Mars is always ‘’there’’ like the Moon. It’s a planet you jump in and out of when you have to and sometimes you even ‘’put’’ your Mars onto other people. But i must say Mars in Libra, Pisces or Cancer i have noticed are more passive and will go in roundabout ways of doing things so i do definitivly notice Mars but i also don’t think it’s THAT prominent IP: Logged |
charlie Knowflake Posts: 5367 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted August 25, 2022 05:24 PM
I my chart it’s definitely Mars. (Conjunct Asc). It would take a seriously good human to find that I’m a Cancer Sun which I actually think is the “weakest” in my chart. IP: Logged |
SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 458 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 25, 2022 05:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by charlie: I my chart it’s definitely Mars. (Conjunct Asc). It would take a seriously good human to find that I’m a Cancer Sun which I actually think is the “weakest” in my chart.
Charlie you are one of many good examples of why i don’t find the Sun that strong. You have never related much to your Sun nor do you give off Cancer vibes and If i remember correctly i think you have a Cancer stellium and you are not the first one i have seen that have a Stellium in a different Sign from your Moon that don’t come off like their stellium. You seem more Earthy on here but maybe more ‘’firey’’ in person with Mars being so prominent in your chart? But here atleast you seem very Earthy to me. I get the impression that tears p i s s you off and people better suck it up around you haha. IP: Logged |
sis Knowflake Posts: 644 From: Registered: Mar 2011
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posted August 26, 2022 05:44 AM
quote: Originally posted by SleepyDiary: I did also say that Mars in fire signs show more in people though. I just don’t feel like Mars is always ‘’there’’ like the Moon. It’s a planet you jump in and out of when you have to and sometimes you even ‘’put’’ your Mars onto other people. But i must say Mars in Libra, Pisces or Cancer i have noticed are more passive and will go in roundabout ways of doing things so i do definitivly notice Mars but i also don’t think it’s THAT prominent
yes you did. Sorry about that. I dont think I know anyone who has Mars in Libra. But I have a close friend whose Mars is in Cancer and she is very protective of her family and closed ones. ( even though she has issues with her mother who caused so much pain to her she is still defends her to the outsiders ) Also, my friend can have very volatile emotions.... About sun, I will quote master Michael Lutin ' when the going gets tough, you should hold onto your Sun sign characterictis ' Only when Sun is receiving adverse aspects from Neptıne, the person seems to disown his sun sign... As I said before it all depends on the chart. Anyways, lets agree to disagree IP: Logged |
charlie Knowflake Posts: 5367 From: Registered: Jun 2012
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posted August 27, 2022 10:11 AM
quote: Originally posted by SleepyDiary: Charlie you are one of many good examples of why i don’t find the Sun that strong. You have never related much to your Sun nor do you give off Cancer vibes and If i remember correctly i think you have a Cancer stellium and you are not the first one i have seen that have a Stellium in a different Sign from your Moon that don’t come off like their stellium. You seem more Earthy on here but maybe more ‘’firey’’ in person with Mars being so prominent in your chart? But here atleast you seem very Earthy to me. I get the impression that tears p i s s you off and people better suck it up around you haha.
You have me pegged pretty good! I don’t mind tears per se but I do mind when they are crocodile tears and it’s a very obvious way of manipulating me. That’ll get me all kinds of cold and even aggressive! But if you come to me in sincerity, crying your eye balls out because your husband beat you up/you got fired/broke a leg, I’m the right person to come to.
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SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 458 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 27, 2022 11:28 AM
quote: Originally posted by sis: yes you did. Sorry about that. I dont think I know anyone who has Mars in Libra. But I have a close friend whose Mars is in Cancer and she is very protective of her family and closed ones. ( even though she has issues with her mother who caused so much pain to her she is still defends her to the outsiders ) Also, my friend can have very volatile emotions.... About sun, I will quote master Michael Lutin ' when the going gets tough, you should hold onto your Sun sign characterictis ' Only when Sun is receiving adverse aspects from Neptıne, the person seems to disown his sun sign... As I said before it all depends on the chart. Anyways, lets agree to disagree
Haha i have a hard Neptune-Sun aspect 😄 but i do see and express my Sun sometimes but i feel my Moon is much more prominent. Yeah i think we just gotta do that IP: Logged |