posted September 22, 2022 02:01 AM            

As the title of the thread states; I am confused about intercepted signs and I need help! This is going to be long

Note:
-I follow the Placidus system and I like it!

- please don't share chart drawings, unless it's from Astro.com/Astrodienst or Astrotheme

because charts not from those websites are too confusing for me to follow!

I am looking at charts and how I can identify interceptions is when they list the house cusps in words and glyphs and I see 2 houses in the 1 sign.

For example a chart with
Ascendant/1st House in Cancer
2nd House in 29 degrees Cancer (the intercepted house)***
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8th House in 29 degrees Capricorn (the intercepted house)***

In this chart, Scorpio and Taurus do not rule any of the houses. From what I understand Scorpio is an intercepted sign. Taurus is also an intercepted sign; because they are both missing/stopped from the natal chart houses

Is this right?

However I am confused because 2nd house Cancer swallowed up Leo. Leo should have been the 2nd house ruler but Leo was pushed to the 3rd house. Leo is still represented in the chart but its pushed back! Same with Capricorn being the 8th House ruler instead of Aquarius. Aquarius is pushed off into another house.

In interceptions why is it that the missing signs are the intercepted ones but the signs that are pushed back into another house, are not?

Maybe it's the word intercepted-interception that is confusing and it's more of a semantics thing too.

Interception/Intercepted means caught before reaching it's destination

Synonyms are: stop, seized, snatched grabbed, blocked

Like it's technically true the signs were stopped our grabbed; but they are really missing!

Intercepted or Stopped or grabbed kinda applied like it's been kidnapped/held somewhere. Like the word intercepted makes sense but it also doesn't

Missing Signs/House Cusps makes more sense to me than intercepted signs/intercepted houses because the intercepted signs are gone! or absent/lost... Even replaced sounds better!

What makes it also confusing is astrologers interpretations of interceptions?

- some astrologers think it's energy that's repressed, shadow energy
- some astrologers make a past life connection, karma,
- or a missing link, oppositions that don't support each other, etc.
- like which interpretation is the standard interpretation

astrologers are not consistent when it comes to the meaning/definition of interceptions. I know astrology is very subjective but I sometimes wish there was more consistency/agreed upon definition

LASTLY

Also why when I read definitions they say the house is larger or more than 30 degrees and engulfs an entire sign.

Why do most chart drawings not reflect the size of the intercepted house in a clear way?

I am talking about websites that have free chart drawings online

I say the chart drawings are confusing because there is so much going on in a chart that the lines becomes so confusing, especially if they are indicators of planets in the houses that cover up where the house begins and where it ends ....

That's why I ask not to show me chart drawings, unless it's from Astro.com/Astrodienst or Astrotheme because it's much clearer/easier for me to understand

posted September 22, 2022 03:02 AM            

I didn't find much consistency in the meaning of interceptions myself. Some astrologers talked about interceptions as being like a secret room within a house. One that can only be found through a secret passage etc.

But then my question was, we have enough secrets to contend with in house 12, 4 and (to a certain extent) 8. What difference does this "compartmentalized" room in the subconscious make(if any) with the above mentioned houses?

And what about transits to the intercepted house? Does the effect of those transits become "gobbled up" within the secret compartments where that energy is housed in?

And what if it's the Sun or Moon that is intercepted? Does this mean that the individual's conscious self(sun) or emotional nature(Moon) is "out of reach" or "locked away in a secret room" indefinitely? That cannot be.

Too many questions that go unanswered and can't be satisfied with clarity or consistency. And this lead me to explore the equal/whole sign system a lot more for people who have intercepted houses.

posted September 22, 2022 07:11 AM            

I do feel like I have trapped energy, and things that are inaccessible to me. And my Sun is in one intercepted house, opposing my Moon in the other.

My 2nd house starts at the end of Sag, and ends in the early degrees of Aqua. So Cap is completely enclosed. On the other side, my 8th house starts in late Gem, and my 9th house begins in early Leo. Cancer is completely enclosed. Taurus/Scorpio are repeated signs, ruling 6th/7th and 12th/1st.

In my youth, I definitely was not in touch with a lot of my own identity. I suppressed things that I felt and believed to follow what I was supposed to- though there were times things would just fly out of my mouth that exposed what I truly thought.

The older I got, the easier it became to just be me, and actually the harder it was to not be me. But I feel like that's the journey for everyone?

I have heard theories that you rely on the sign before the intercepted sign to let you in, give you access. I do have a lot of Sag's and Gemini's in my life, but they are my 1st and 7th houses so I would expect that. And mostly Moons for me by the way. I love Sag Moons, I get along well with them. Gem Moons are more challenging for me, but I have no personal planets in Air so it's hard anyway.

I attract Cancers often, far less Caps. But I do get a lot of Saturn people in my life.

I will also add I do still feel like most things are foggy for me. If you ask me something about myself and I answer off the cuff, without thinking, you will get the truth. But if I have time to think, I will run myself in circles and end up being more lost than if I had just answered instinctively.

I am never sure if this is the same for many people, if this is me because of the intercepted houses, if this is me because I am Sun/Moon opposition, or if it's me for other aspects.

posted September 22, 2022 10:33 AM            

It’s hard for my chart to determine because my Interceptions are time sensitive and I would not assume Tob could be correct up to 20 min. (An average delivery is 30- 60 min).

Intercepted Signs

Intercepted Aries/Libra

Aries - Lack of courage and the ability to go after what you want. Dependancy on others. Procrastination. Too much fantasies and not enough action.

Libra - Lack of self-worth and self-acceptance which can interfere with their relationships, especially romantic ones. Trouble with equality in relationships. They might be seen as the givers and people may take advantage of them.

Intercepted Taurus/Scorpio

Taurus - Troubles with finishing things they have started. General laziness and lack of long-term responsibility and commitment in that area of life.

Scorpio - They won’t confront issues or people that bother them. They can forgive too easily or swipe things under the rug. Buildup of pressure and stress due to avoidance and neglect.

Intercepted Gemini/Sagittarius

Gemini - Might be close-minded and rational and refuse to accept other points of view or ideas they don’t understand. Tends to keep useless information.

Sagittarius - Difficulty expressing opinions. Might be bad at backing up their arguments or making their point. Other people might not take them seriously.

Intercepted Cancer/Capricorn

Cancer - Troubles expressing their feelings. Troubles being comfortable in that area of life. Emotions that come out suddenly and are deemed irrational. Could become emotionally demanding and whiny.

Capricorn - Troubles turning their plans into reality. Could lack organization and discipline. Could refuse to work hard and just accept the way things are.

Intercepted Leo/Aquarius

Leo - Others might come to them for help but never ask how they are and give them attention. They could experience lack of reassurance and support from others.

Aquarius - They may want to follow the crown and refuse to accept who their individuality. They may feel repressed throughout their life until the day it all builds up and explodes in the form of rebellion.

Intercepted Virgo/Pisces

Virgo - Lack of duty and responsibility. Could be very selfish and expect others to do things for them for nothing in return.

Pisces - Can’t tell when their dreams are realistic and achievable. Could lack empathy for others. Easily falls for lies and manipulation.

posted September 22, 2022 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
I have intercepted signs, and I can share my perspective if that helps?

I do feel like I have trapped energy, and things that are inaccessible to me. And my Sun is in one intercepted house, opposing my Moon in the other.

My 2nd house starts at the end of Sag, and ends in the early degrees of Aqua. So Cap is completely enclosed. On the other side, my 8th house starts in late Gem, and my 9th house begins in early Leo. Cancer is completely enclosed. Taurus/Scorpio are repeated signs, ruling 6th/7th and 12th/1st.

In my youth, I definitely was not in touch with a lot of my own identity. I suppressed things that I felt and believed to follow what I was supposed to- though there were times things would just fly out of my mouth that exposed what I truly thought.

The older I got, the easier it became to just be me, and actually the harder it was to not be me. But I feel like that's the journey for everyone?

I have heard theories that you rely on the sign before the intercepted sign to let you in, give you access. I do have a lot of Sag's and Gemini's in my life, but they are my 1st and 7th houses so I would expect that. And mostly Moons for me by the way. I love Sag Moons, I get along well with them. Gem Moons are more challenging for me, but I have no personal planets in Air so it's hard anyway.

I attract Cancers often, far less Caps. But I do get a lot of Saturn people in my life.

I will also add I do still feel like most things are foggy for me. If you ask me something about myself and I answer off the cuff, without thinking, you will get the truth. But if I have time to think, I will run myself in circles and end up being more lost than if I had just answered instinctively.

I am never sure if this is the same for many people, if this is me because of the intercepted houses, if this is me because I am Sun/Moon opposition, or if it's me for other aspects.

To wrap it up, I do feel there is significance to the intercepted houses. When I see someone's chart and two houses are huge, I can't help but. feel instinctively that there is emphasis on those houses for them in this lifetime- regardless of planets in them. I definitely feel there is emphasis for me on the 2nd/8th axis, and the 6th/12th. But those themes run all through my chart. So, see- I went in circles here too!

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I could see significancy of intercepted houses more clear than signs. My Capricorn or Aqua are intercepted.
I could relate to the above description of enclosed Capricorn.

However, I could resonate with the descriptions I posted for both Axises Leo/Aquarius and Cancer/Capricorn.
I was more Capricorn till probably 17-18 with following what I was supposed to do. After my rebellious and freedom loving side kicked in. Though I still feel like there’re bunch of restrictions and entrapments.

posted September 22, 2022 04:59 PM            

Taurus/Scorpio- I do struggle to finish things, but not because I am lazy. I get distracted. Great at starting, not as great at finishing. And Scorpio sweeping things under the rug vs confronting- I confront, but only those very close to me. The rest I move on from, and probably forgive too quickly.

posted September 28, 2022 01:13 AM            

In this chart, Scorpio and Taurus do not rule any of the houses. From what I understand Scorpio is an intercepted sign. Taurus is also an intercepted sign; because they are both missing/stopped from the natal chart houses

Is this right?

However I am confused because 2nd house Cancer swallowed up Leo. Leo should have been the 2nd house ruler but Leo was pushed to the 3rd house. Leo is still represented in the chart but its pushed back! Same with Capricorn being the 8th House ruler instead of Aquarius. Aquarius is pushed off into another house.

posted September 28, 2022 08:10 AM            

There will always be a sign and it's opposite that do not start any house. And to compensate, there will be another sign and its opposite that start two houses.

So if Leo/Aqua are swallowed whole and don't start anything, then this is considered trapped energy. It is locked away, harder to access. But Cancer people (of any personal planets) would help you access that Leo energy, and theoretically Cap people would help you access the Aquarius energy.