posted October 03, 2022 04:46 PM            

I have it. I am 48 years old, have many life experiences.

I think it wont be wrong if I say Venus square Pluto means seeing the death of the things you love. I ve witnessed the death of people I loved, I watched them giving their last breath...
I adore nature and I can fall in love with almost anything part of the nature. Even the most secured places I ve loved, they got destroyed, demolished in front of my eyes.
Not at my will, I was always forced to be there.

posted October 04, 2022 04:12 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
Hi sis, I think it matters in which houses your Venus and Pluto are placed and which houses they rule. I don’t have Pluto square Venus in my natal chart but I do have Pluto inconjunct (and parallel) my Venus. My Pluto (rules H2) is conjunct my Ascendant from H1 and my Venus is in H8 (rules H1 and H8). There’s a strong theme of self worth in my chart and I struggle with feeling worthy of affection, intimacy and being vulnerable. And that the way that I look and approach the world makes people very uncomfortable. Sometimes, I feel there must be something very wrong with me that makes it difficult for other people to connect with me and even love me. Pluto is symbolic for purging, it’s the fire that burns an established forest to the ground but leaves an extremely fertile soil for new growth. Time and time again, I’m confronted with situations that are caused by my own ingrained low self worth and desire to be liked, it requires me to make big changes because the situation has become unbearable to me. Even though I had to let go of certain people and expectations in my life, I have always known that this process ultimately serves me. Probably, as there’s also a parallel between the two planets in my chart, the energy flows more easily. A square is friction, making it feel like you’re being pushed in a corner.

I think this interpretation of Venus in aspect to Pluto in the natal chart is very interesting: https://www.astrohealer.com/pluto-venus-aspects/

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Your relationship with yourself determines your relationship with other people. Life is a series of disappointments and breakups of one form or another. How you deal with pain and loss is often related to how your family dealt with loss and how well your self-esteem was nurtured. Anyone who gets involved with orthers in whatever form runs the risk of being hurt - and you will, even in a good relationship or friendship. What has solidified for me at 32 years is: treat yourself lovingly and maintain a life of your own.

posted October 04, 2022 05:18 AM            

@plutowashere,

'this scenario, one may have grown to believe that love equals death,'brought tears to my eyes. The article's explanation of it rings true.

I have a Cap stellium in the 1st house ( Asc, Sun, Mercury, Venus, Vesta ) squaring Pluto in Libra ( 9th-10th hs ) opposing Saturn ( Cancer ) in the 7th house.

- the escape lines for Pluto; Gemini moon in conjunction with South Node ( 6th hs ) trines Pluto, Mars Neptun NN conjunction in Sag ( 12th hs ) sextiles Pluto -

If we are looking for 8th house relation, my sun the ruler of 8th house squaring Pluto.
- escape line sun sextile Uranus in Scorpio

Maybe it is the sun square pluto ( in Libra ) that is causing 'love equals to death' perception...

@plutowashere and @rockwell

For years, I have struggled with insecurities which were not apparent to the outside world.
When I look back, I realise how much insecure I was and how I failed to create healthy boundaries or identify what it is that I truly want-need and at the end got hurt because of it.

Frienship wise, I ve managed to have life long friends. But Plutowashere, I understand your experience, I ve had and felt those too.

I think what Pluto in hard aspects does is making you appear so strong and in control when in fact inside you are shaky, fearing invasion... This creates an intense aura that confuses people and they cant be sure weather you can be trusted or no.

@rockwell, A close friend of mine lost her husband while Pluto was in conjunction to natal Venus in the 8th house. A year later her exlover died as well. ( Oddly, they both fell from a building. They were both in their 30s ). I do think Venus Pluto can be about love and death especialy when related to 8th house.

And I know Venus Pluto is about love and relationships. But not limited to that. I want to discuss other keywords associated with them.

posted October 04, 2022 11:24 AM            

As long as I fear losing someone or something, everything goes well and I don't lose them. As soon as I relax and feel happy and secure, that's when smth will happen out of the blue so that I'll experience loss and pain.

For example my father had been one year and a half in the hospital, Once I relaxed and thought "hey he has made it this far, we will make it and he will get through this" he passed away.

Even with small things like makeup or skincare. When I find smth I love once I go back to repurchase it (it doesn't matter even if it's the next day) smth will always happen so that I can't have it anymore.

I will get same results as above if I just share verbally with someone, something positive that is happening in my life. The person I share it with doesn't matter in this case. Once positive words leave my mouth, the damage is done.

Whichever comes first of the two above will just ruin whatever good might be happening. So once positive words, feelings or thoughts are going on inside me, I will experience sorrow due to circumstances I have zero control over.
It took me quite a few years and many experiences to figure this out.

I don't understand the meaning of this to be honest. It seems that I should just live alone and detached from others in order to be truly happy and I am more than ok with that. But still why? What's the point behind it? I already appreciated small things in life, let alone people I loved. I'm also happy being alone. So I am not sure what I am really supposed to learn. That I should live in fear and just become paranoid and expect the worse out of every situation? What's the point?

posted October 04, 2022 02:10 PM            

I am with you @plutonian2. I can relate to many of the things you have listed. Almost identical. I ve read them with a broken smile on my face. I dont think its Uranus though. The experiences on your list sounds more like Venus square Pluto.

Have you heard of nazar ? it is translated as evil eye but not really. The true meaning gets lost in translation. Let me try to explain it with an example. whenever you praise someone - something, express your love especialy to a third party, Nazar can happen and some type of damage will occur...
They say ' if your stars are low, then nazar happens to you easily '

Maybe ancients know better than us. Who knows ?

I have learned to love myself in my early 40s. And after menopause, my self value increased. I dont know why I was healed by menopause - maybe Venus square Pluto was causing hormonal mischief and menopause helped to balance it...

Your friends having the same aspects different experiences could be because their souls might be reacting to same aspects differently. Also, I believe every aspect is a layer of our personalities and they might be hidden from the view until an experience brings it to the front and we start to see what we tought was not there. Maybe your friends have smilar experiences but hidden the from the view.

posted October 04, 2022 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:
I wanna talk about Venus square Pluto but not romantic wise...

I have it. I am 48 years old, have many life experiences.

I think it won't be wrong if I say Venus square Pluto means seeing the death of the things you love. I ve witnessed the death of people I loved, I watched them giving their last breath...
I adore nature and I can fall in love with almost anything part of the nature. Even the most secured places I ve loved, they got destroyed, demolished in front of my eyes.
Not at my will, I was always forced to be there.

I am wondering if Venus square Pluto solely responsible for death liking my company. Venus square Pluto fellows would love to hear your experiences.

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This was interesting to read. I have Plu-Ven in Sco but not conj in the same house. So I could relate a little.

Pluto does touch the darker side of life. And when on Venus, it can show the ugliness in beauty, the pain in pleasure and the fallacy in ecstacy etc. The paradox being inherent in this mix as it would be in Ven-Mars.

So its not enough for the sunset to enshrine the two lovers reunited in happiness at the end of the movie. Promising to the viewers that all be will be well(Ven). No

Pluto wants to see what will happen thereafter.Does the couple last? Do they stay together into old age? What if one suffers paralysis? Or one cheats? Do people have to be perfect to have happy endings? And if they are not, what happens to their love? Pluto wants to know.

I think with having to witness loss in love or tragedy right in the midst of happiness.The two seemingly inextricably combined. Plu can help one look right through the facade of Ven. Or atleast makes the native unable to be drunk to its hypnotic influence.

So Plu-Ven natives are often the types to roll their eyes to what society deems "beautiful" or even "pleasurable". And to losely quote "How to make an American Quilt" :, whilst young lovers see beauty in perfection, older souls see beauty in the multiplicity of patches.

Plu-Ven is the latter. The old soul who sees the beauty in the "imperfect". There's something about the attraction to the "broken", the "discarded" , the "ugly" etc. Not to "rescue" them and restore their "sanctity" as Neptune often tries to do.

But Pluto denotes the trials & tribulations that someone has been through as character building and thus more beautiful. They see them as more refined "after" than they were "before".

To Pluto, such people are what true beauty is because they have been through the fires of life and still remain intact. Pluto is not so impressed by the preserved beauties kept in the museums of "innocence & inexperienced". They have no depth and no character. They lack inner worth☝🏿

posted October 04, 2022 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
This was interesting to read. I have Plu-Ven in Sco but not conj in the same house. So I could relate a little.

Pluto does touch the darker side of life. And when on Venus, it can show the ugliness in beauty, the pain in pleasure and the fallacy in ecstacy etc. The paradox being inherent in this mix as it would be in Ven-Mars.

So its not enough for the sunset to enshrine the two lovers reunited in happiness at the end of the movie. Promising to the viewers that all be will be well(Ven). No

Pluto wants to see what will happen thereafter.Does the couple last? Do they stay together into old age? What if one suffers paralysis? Or one cheats? Do people have to be perfect to have happy endings? And if they are not, what happens to their love? Pluto wants to know.

I think with having to witness loss in love or tragedy right in the midst of happiness.The two seemingly inextricably combined. Plu can help one look right through the facade of Ven. Or atleast makes the native unable to be drunk to its hypnotic influence.

So Plu-Ven natives are often the types to roll their eyes to what society deems "beautiful" or even "pleasurable". And to losely quote "How to make an American Quilt" :, whilst young lovers see beauty in perfection, older souls see beauty in the multiplicity of patches.

Plu-Ven is the latter. The old soul who sees the beauty in the "imperfect". There's something about the attraction to the "broken", the "discarded" , the "ugly" etc. Not to "rescue" them and restore their "sanctity" as Neptune often tries to do.

But Pluto denotes the trials & tribulations that someone has been through as character building and thus more beautiful. They see them as more refined "after" than they were "before".

To Pluto, such people are what true beauty is because they have been through the fires of life and still remain intact. Pluto is not so impressed by the preserved beauties kept in the museums of "innocence & inexperienced". They have no depth and no character. They lack inner worth☝🏿

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posted November 30, 2022 12:25 AM            

I find that when I date men with Moon/Pluto aspects I am fine, but when they have a Venus/Pluto aspect, things can get volatile.

I love art in most forms and I am also very passionate about pursuing it. I also tend to enjoy my art so much that I end up hating it, or getting tired of it and wanting to vomit.

I used to purge out my closets every other month. Sometimes I would regret some of the stuff I threw or gave away, but in the end I would sooth myself by saying "you did it to become more true to yourself" to myself.

I still do it. But I am working on giving less importance to my impulses (I have Jupiter very close to my AC). My Sun tightly opposite Pluto may also be part of why I have frequent phases of purging people and things out of my life. It feels like a high to me (Sun trine neptune, mars opposite, pluto sextile). It is like I get an adrenaline rush from it too (Uranus is conjunct my neptune).

I am very very loyal in love and like to be dominated, this way I feel powerful. There is little I wouldn't do for the man I am in love with.

I dated this guy whom I very much loved, but things went very wrong between us. On paper and western-astrology wise we should have had a good and lasting relationship, but vedic concepts explain why we couldn't work things out. Anyways not to get carried away, he had venus/pluto opposition in his chart, and I noticed he was very docile to me. His Venus is in Taurus. His career later took off academically, and his research focuses on demolishing urban spaces! I find that very fitting with Venus/Pluto!.

I find that men with softer Venus/Pluto aspects like the trine and sextile don't surrender to their woman as easily or voluntarily as the hard aspect ones. It is as if the hard aspect ones are asking for the drama and the pain.

posted November 30, 2022 07:24 AM            

Venus the natural ruler of Taurus H2 (not just H7) would also rule Taurus things - the earth falls into this category: land ownership.

posted December 10, 2022 07:27 AM            

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Originally posted by rockwell:
I don't have this aspect but I know a man who does (Venus Capricorn, Pluto Libra). I can't say he's seen things he loves die. But I know for sure that he is very persistent! I have Pluto (1st house Scorpio) opposite Venus (7th house Taurus) and believe that difficult Pluto Venus aspects indicate that the chart holder is struggling to reconcile both principles. I know you don't mean the romantic side, but Pluto-Venus connections are about love! A chart holder with a difficult Venus-Pluto aspect might have intense feelings but show them in an unhealthy plutonic way in romantic relationships (stalking, jealousy, possessive, manipulation, low self-worth) Associating Pluto and Venus with death would be a bit of a stretch. For this, other aspects must be given in the chart.

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