posted October 11, 2022 01:47 PM            

regardless of what the "rules" say,

I can't be the only one who finds it ridiculous that people claim to have "stelliums" when it is just 3+ planets in a sign, sure that is a lot of energy for one sign

but i've always gone by the "rule" that a stellium is 3+ planets within CONJUNCTION of eachother, because it is highly focused energy and 3+ planets directly influencing eachother

it seems silly to me to give a name to a series of planets not effecting eachother at all.

for example, say it is Mercury at 2 degrees, the Sun at 15 degrees and then Neptune all the way at 28 degrees,

none of those planets are influencing eachother with the large orbs in between them.

I feel like claiming to have an improper stellium is rooted in this trend we've been experiencing the last few years where people get into astrology and they want to have a "unique" chart SO bad that they start bending the "rules" to say they have things that they don't,
kind of like how on Reddit we see people now claiming patterns that never existed before like "Thor's Hammer" and "Jesus' Cradle" so on and so forth

Every chart is extremely unique so theres no need to stretch the truth.

posted October 11, 2022 03:35 PM            

sure closer together planets will have greater influence on each other, but that's not what defines the term

anyway you seem to care about this too much 🤷‍♀️ do seem a bit bitchy i guess, your tone not so much your views

posted October 11, 2022 03:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
traditional way would be 3 planets in a sign, and in the vedic system the standard is planets sharing a house are conjunct

sure closer together planets will have greater influence on each other, but that's not what defines the term

anyway you seem to care about this too much 🤷‍♀️ do seem a bit bitchy i guess, your tone not so much your views

only calling it because you asked so no offense

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no offense taken at all, i’m a scorpio mercury [conjunct scorpio mars] [12th]so i just talk like that lol seemingly aggressive or you know sometimes you say too much or give too many layers or thought process details to the point

posted October 11, 2022 10:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Dons2angelss:
I have 4 planets in my 6th house, 3 plus chiron in my 12th.

I think you're confusing the definitions. Stellium and conjunction are not the same. In a conjunction, the planet's energies are COMBINING. In a stellium (if they aren't conjunct) they are "playing on the same team" huge difference. You don't need to be conjunct to still be connected in an intimate way. That's literally why there is a name for having a large number of planets not necessarily being conjunct.
A stellium is quite powerful without a conjunction. Instead of combining energy, they're lending their selves individually to a common goal (the house and/or sign). You can break down each planet's contribution more easily when not in conjunction as well.

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I’m not confusing the words. I know the difference between conjunction and a stellium. My only point is that it seems ridiculous to me to categorize a series of planets not directly effecting eachother. Two planets together would not be a stellium it would be a conjunction, i’m saying a stellium should be 3+ planets that are in conjunction, since it is more of a focal point of energy rather than 3+ planets in a sign but having absolutely no influence on eachother other than just simply being in the same sign (unless conjunct)

I agree about being able to pin point energies better in a “stellium” when they aren’t conjunct, which only furthers my point really in why are we giving it a name. I don’t know

posted October 12, 2022 08:07 AM            

I have no stellium. But I have three signs that all contain two planets. I feel each of those three signs very concentrated. I just take turns apparently as to which role I'm in at that given moment.

posted October 12, 2022 12:02 PM            

The definition (as far as I read) was a minimum of 3 planets in same sign/house.

Somewhere along the line, astrologers included "must be conjunct ". Then others chimed in with "must be personal planets" etc.

I recall a rule book in high school that spoke of how a tie should be fastened.

1st it stated, every student should wear a tie.

Then it became more stringent: Every student should wear a tie with the Windsor knot.

Then it carried on thereafter to; every student should wear a tie with the double Windsor knot etc.

I hear that since my post high school days, the rules of the tie have been revised again to include the badge sitting in a certain way relative ro the blazer 🤦🏿‍♂️

My thing has always been that rules are there to form a guide. And are open ended i.e to be contextually applied. And this includes the commandment "Do not kill". Because if someone threatens your life , I assure you(when shove comes to push) you WILL kill.☝🏿

So Stelliums are to be used within the context of the birth chart concerned. This to emphasize an emerging recurring theme.

For instance, if a birth chart i am looking at shows issues with the Father. Whether the bundle of planets in the 4th are in conjunction or not(using whole sign), to me that would suggest a lot of conflicting energy in the home. This especially if Pluto/Mars/Ura is there.

So on such an instance, the "stellium" would be pointing towards the central theme of home life and possibly the dominant parent in the home (4th house can at times be indicative of the parent who had a huge psychological impact on us-whether positive or negative). In this case , the Father.

To me(since i am using whole sign) 3 or more planets in the same sign are automatically a "stellium". Its only with cardinal T-squares and declinations that i get stricter with orbs.

So if one has Asc in Lib with Sun in Aries 9, Uranus in Aries 17, Mars in Aries 29. I am looking at their 7th house. Something about the theme of their personality and relationships is expected to emerge.

posted October 12, 2022 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by spacecadet42420:

no offense taken at all, i’m a scorpio mercury [conjunct scorpio mars] [12th]so i just talk like that lol seemingly aggressive or you know sometimes you say too much or give too many layers or thought process details to the point

also thanks for your opinion
i’ve also dealt with a significant increase of teenagers into astrology the last few years and when trying to teach them you deal with the same behavior patterns so this is a new bias for me [the self absorbed attitude thing mentioned in the original post]

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cool, sometimes people ask things without wanting real answers glad you arent one of them 😁

it's all good, but yeah just based on old teachings across multiple systems it's just shared energy within a sign

it's more radical and out there to think of your set of rules as the standard

and stelliums are very common anyway, i notice people born in the later part of the year and winter have them most frequently