posted December 27, 2022 10:15 AM            

*Synastry*

1-Moon square Sun
The needs of the people involved are hardly ever met by the other and the Sun person sometimes gotta go out of their comfort zone to try to please the Moon and will often fail in their attempts to do so. You need major supportive aspects for this one to be slightly bearable to deal with but even then i have seen this one has not worked out in the long run. Better for friendships than for romantic relationships

2-Venus-Mars hard aspects
This one start off with a bang but ends in disaster. Ultimately these people weren’t really each other’s type and the differences becomes more and more apparent. This is the person you realise that you should have gotten to know better before you moved in together.

Any hard aspect to Neptune from the Personal planets will often bring dishonesty, disappointments and confusion.

hard aspects to Pluto from the personal planets the relationship is just toxic.

Venus square Saturn is often a one sided attraction where the Saturn person is having the feelings.

*Natal*

1-Afflicted Mercury
Your mind is your own worst enemy

2-Hard Venus-Uranus aspects
Many people under this influence yearn for a normal relationship but are often forced to deal with an unusual relationship because they are often attracted to unusual people. Another side to this influence too is that they can devolop feelings for people that are non committal and be turned off by someone that are really into them and therefore constantly wanting someone more unavailable.

3-Hard Mercury-Neptune
These people can have a hard time seeing the reality of both themselves and others and can go into denial a lot until they are forced to deal with the harsh truth. They can make things up in their mind if it is more ‘’pleasing’’ for them to believe in and refuse to see things for just what it is. These people would have called an ass a vase if you could have put flowers in it.

4-Hard aspects to Mars
These people need to relax sometimes. Can be too snappy and combative.

posted December 27, 2022 12:55 PM            

Synastry aspects; I have seen sun square moon more than sun trine moon / conjunct moon in long term married couples charts... I have studied many... Two of my besties have all the hard aspects you have listed on their synastry charts with their husbands... The age of the relationships one is 35 the other is 30..

Majority of the famous long term couples have many so called 'deal breaker' squares, oppositions on their synastries...

posted December 27, 2022 02:26 PM            

moon afflicted by malefics such as mars, pluto and saturn can really take a toll on a person. i've seen it multiple times. there's always some deep issues going on.
venus afflicted by saturn (especially in a woman's chart) can make them so naive and low on self esteem that they'll just do... anything, then regret it later on. i feel sad watching it.

posted December 27, 2022 03:11 PM            

It's better to have any aspect between Sun and Moon in synastry than none at all or a trine/sextile, those are too weak to even make the people involved interested.

Yes, it is a bit difficult, preferably, it would be a conjunction or opposition, but the square will be ok too, instead of having none at all.

I haven't had one before. But I've seen people with this. For example, JLo and Ben Affleck have it both ways.

posted December 27, 2022 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Hey,

It's better to have any aspect between Sun and Moon in synastry than none at all or a trine/sextile, those are too weak to even make the people involved interested.

Yes, it is a bit difficult, preferably, it would be a conjunction or opposition, but the square will be ok too, instead of having none at all.

I haven't had one before. But I've seen people with this. For example, JLo and Ben Affleck have it both ways.

Without a connection between the lights or ASC/DC and Sun/Moon, the relationship will not last, or it will be a distant one, most probably, not a love relationship. **there are a few exceptions and there are other connections, but is more complex to explain it**

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posted December 28, 2022 05:19 PM            

I haven't experienced before. I only had the conjunction and opposition.

I had it only once with someone that I really liked, and I felt deeply emotional around him, but we had other aspects too:
Moon opposite Moon
His moon in my 4th house
His Sun square my Moon
His Sun in my 7th house
My moon conjunct his ASC
My Venus in his 1st house
His Mars opposite my Venus

posted December 28, 2022 05:32 PM            

Saturn squares or opposite personal planets like moon, venus, mars: The Saturn person can't stand the other's personal planet and will do everything to break it.

Uranus squares Venus: Too much unpredictability, no stability, unless you are into polyamory, open relationships, long distance relationships.

Neptune squares or opposite Moon or Venus: lies, deception, wishful thinking, unrequited love...

Neptune inconjunct, squares or opposite Mars: Someone is cheating...

posted December 29, 2022 01:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
In my observation and experience, the worst synastry aspects are:

Saturn squares or opposite personal planets like moon, venus, mars: The Saturn person can't stand the other's personal planet and will do everything to break it.
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posted December 29, 2022 04:49 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I was the Saturn person with the BIL who sexually harassed me (and kept doing it). My Saturn square his Venus. His Mars on my Moon, Venus, SN, and square my Mars in the 4th, trine my Pluto and sextile my Jupiter. He weaponized my sister against me. I don't think I was the harsh one.

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posted December 29, 2022 06:13 AM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
In Synastry and Natal

*Synastry*

1-Moon square Sun
The needs of the people involved are hardly ever met by the other and the Sun person sometimes gotta go out of their comfort zone to try to please the Moon and will often fail in their attempts to do so. You need major supportive aspects for this one to be slightly bearable to deal with but even then i have seen this one has not worked out in the long run. Better for friendships than for romantic relationships

2-Venus-Mars hard aspects
This one start off with a bang but ends in disaster. Ultimately these people weren’t really each other’s type and the differences becomes more and more apparent. This is the person you realise that you should have gotten to know better before you moved in together.

Any hard aspect to Neptune from the Personal planets will often bring dishonesty, disappointments and confusion.

hard aspects to Pluto from the personal planets the relationship is just toxic.

Venus square Saturn is often a one sided attraction where the Saturn person is having the feelings.

*Natal*

1-Afflicted Mercury
Your mind is your own worst enemy

2-Hard Venus-Uranus aspects
Many people under this influence yearn for a normal relationship but are often forced to deal with an unusual relationship because they are often attracted to unusual people. Another side to this influence too is that they can devolop feelings for people that are non committal and be turned off by someone that are really into them and therefore constantly wanting someone more unavailable.

3-Hard Mercury-Neptune
These people can have a hard time seeing the reality of both themselves and others and can go into denial a lot until they are forced to deal with the harsh truth. They can make things up in their mind if it is more ‘’pleasing’’ for them to believe in and refuse to see things for just what it is. These people would have called an ass a vase if you could have put flowers in it.

4-Hard aspects to Mars
These people need to relax sometimes. Can be too snappy and combative.

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This is really great👌🏿. Isn't it interesting that natally, they are also not too far off the mark?

It just goes to show that before a relationship can be of any success externally, you must have a good relationship with yourself internally ☝🏿.

I will just comment on the Sun/Moon matchup.

Moon and Sun are mind(Moon)& heart(Sun). When two people have easy aspects between the two,they feel like they function as "one". They complete each other's sentences, can easily forgive each other's vices, feel at ease in each other's presence and may even start to look alike to others because of being so "nsync".

The conjunction (in particular) or parallel aspect, can have the two people involved feel like life is that much more "balanced" or has more sense, now that they have found each other. Why?

Because its the heart(Sun)and mind(Moon) marrying together and merging. The whole "you complete me" thing or "what God has put together.No man can separate." Etc. That's why a lot of married couples have Sun/Moon easy contacts.

The two people concerned (either in frienship, love or otherwise) will want to blend their lives together as much as possible. And that's because (as said) they feel they are "one".

What happens when we find someone we really feel connected to? We want them to meet our friends & family, expose them as much as we can to our private life. Even propose we live together because we are choosing not to live apart from them anymore.

This is all the Moon sign actions to forge a bond with the Sun. And (unless there are afflictions to the Sun that will suggest the contrary) the Sun person will not put up any resistance.

If Moon is afflicted,the buck stops there.The defensive Moon will not be receptive to the Sun person.The Sun's rays aren't illuminating to the Moon. But feel more like a "glare".

And the Moon's activated hypersensitive nature can lead them(Moon person) to being defensiveness , close up, act irrationally and become easily offended by whatever the Sun person does.

This is the Tom & Lynette Scavo match-up. In that, whatever Tom did to express himself, Lynette didn't approve or was cynical/unsupportive.Their hearts(Sun) and minds(Moon) were not in the same place or prioritizing the same things (square/opp).

This can lead to constant bickering. This because you two feel you are worlds apart (this especially the opposition). And if there aren't any other good aspects available to declare a truce now and then(like maybe a Moon/Mercury conj/trine),the distance between you two emotionally,can translates to one that both of you will unconsciously start to make physically.

posted December 29, 2022 07:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
This is really great👌🏿. Isn't it interesting that natally, they are also not too far off the mark?

It just goes to show that before a relationship can be of any success externally, you must have a good relationship with yourself internally ☝🏿.

I will just comment on the Sun/Moon matchup.

Moon and Sun are mind(Moon)& heart(Sun). When two people have easy aspects between the two,they feel like they function as "one". They complete each other's sentences, can easily forgive each other's vices, feel at ease in each other's presence and may even start to look alike to others because of being so "insync".

The conjunction (in particular) or parallel aspect, can have the two people involved feel like life is that much more "balanced" or has more sense, now that they have found each other. Why?

Because its the heart(Sun)and mind(Moon) marrying together and merging. The whole "you complete me" thing or "what God has put together.No man can separate." Etc. The two people concerned (either in frienship, love or otherwise) will want to blend their lives together as much as possible.

What happens when we find someone we really feel connected to? We want them to meet our friends & family, expose them as much as we can to our private life. Even propose we live together because we are choosing not to live apart from them anymore.

This is all the Moon sign actions to forge a bond with the Sun. And (unless there are afflictions to the Sun that will suggest the contrary) the Sun person will not put up any resistance.

If Moon is afflicted,the buck stops there.The defensive Moon will not be receptive to the Sun person.The Sun's rays aren't illuminating to the Moon. But feel more like a "glare".

And the Moon's activated hypersensitivity to that can lead them(Moon person) to being defensiveness and easily offended by whatever the Sun person does.

This is the Tom & Lynette Scavo match-up. In that, whatever Tom did to express himself, Lynette didn't approve. Their hearts(Sun) and minds(Moon) were not in the same place or prioritizing the same things (square/opp).

This can lead to constant bickering. This because you two feel you are worlds apart (this especially the opposition). And if there aren't any other good aspects available to declare a truce now and then(like maybe a Moon/Mercury conj/trine),the distance between you two emotionally,can translates to one that both of you'll want to make physically.

You will want to spend less time with each other. Progress and change towards different directions. Have different interests and prefer to not be in each other's company. And soon that will manifest as a divorce(in marriage), growing apart (in friendship) or severing ties (in business) etc.

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posted December 29, 2022 10:03 AM            

Saturn on ASC is similar- everything they do annoys Saturn.

Neptune harsh aspects in synastry have always proved troublesome for me. Square to Mercury in synastry = lying, cheating, deception in behavior. There was a lot of saying what the other wanted to hear just to appease them, but the behavior never changed.

I see this in people who have the natal square, too. It's easy to deceive themselves as well as others. Sometimes it's innocent, sometimes not.

Interestingly I had a relationship with someone who had the same Sun sign as me, and our moons were also conjunct. We showed up at each other's houses wearing the same color clothes, decorated our houses the same colors, and it was very easy to be together, right from the beginning. Over time, it was too easy. There was no push to grow or be different. But he and I were very alike and it was peaceful, even when we disagreed.

posted December 29, 2022 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
Saturn over time takes a toll if it's negative. Saturn square Mars, imo, starts out with Saturn wanting to help Mars be better. But when Mars just does what Mars does, it becomes annoying. So Saturn ups the ante, comes down harder, etc. Eventually it kills the relationship if the two can't come to compromise.

Saturn on ASC is similar- everything they do annoys Saturn.

Neptune harsh aspects in synastry have always proved troublesome for me. Square to Mercury in synastry = lying, cheating, deception in behavior. There was a lot of saying what the other wanted to hear just to appease them, but the behavior never changed.

I see this in people who have the natal square, too. It's easy to deceive themselves as well as others. Sometimes it's innocent, sometimes not.

Interestingly I had a relationship with someone who had the same Sun sign as me, and our moons were also conjunct. We showed up at each other's houses wearing the same color clothes, decorated our houses the same colors, and it was very easy to be together, right from the beginning. Over time, it was too easy. There was no push to grow or be different. But he and I were very alike and it was peaceful, even when we disagreed.

Also, I see the Uranus harsh Venus aspect listed there. I have the natal sextile, even a little wide (3degrees). I actually identify with the square description. I have a tendency to crush on men who are unavailable in some way, and when men are interested or pursue me, sometimes it's a turn off. I always attributed that to Neptune square my Mars/Venus mp. But now I am rethinking that...

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‘’ Neptune harsh aspects in synastry have always proved troublesome for me. Square to Mercury in synastry = lying. There was a lot of saying what the other wanted to hear just to appease them, but the behavior never changed.’’

Exactly how i have seen this aspect play out too. Also i have noticed with hard Moon-Neptune aspects someone is dishonest about what they really feel. This might be a person that has fallen out of love with you months ago but still sits there in a relationship with you or they never really was in love with you but they saw some ‘’benefits’’ for being in a relationship with you. What you said about Saturn too is also very true.

posted December 31, 2022 12:29 AM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Aries, why did you delete it? :

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posted December 31, 2022 03:21 AM            

I've recently reconnected with someone after years (decades tbh) of personal hardship and trauma.

Aaaand we have so many sh!tty aspects:

His Saturn squares my Sun
His Pluto inconjuncts my Sun
His Chiron squares my Venus (not mentioned here but baaad)
Sun Moon square DW (wtf)
My Mars (widely) square his Venus

We have hardly anything nice. It will be a good test of my own reserve to resist because I really need to be loved.

Apart from that it's typically depressing.

Forewarned however, is forearmed. And sometimes, for some people, it's the best outcome.

posted December 31, 2022 05:47 AM            

With my ex, his Neptune opposite my Mercury. There were communication issues. I think Mercury aspects don’t get the attention they deserve. In a good relationship there needs to be a mental connection. Without good communication it’s going to be difficult to understand the other and grow closer.

Conjunctions are also hard aspects. The results can go either way. It can start out great but can become annoying over time.

posted December 31, 2022 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Well, I have my own issues for sure so I rarely meet anyone.

I've recently reconnected with someone after years (decades tbh) of personal hardship and trauma.

Aaaand we have so many sh!tty aspects:

His Saturn squares my Sun
His Pluto inconjuncts my Sun
His Chiron squares my Venus (not mentioned here but baaad)
Sun Moon square DW (wtf)
My Mars (widely) square his Venus

We have hardly anything nice. It will be a good test of my own reserve to resist because I really need to be loved.

Apart from that it's typically depressing.

Forewarned however, is forearmed. And sometimes, for some people, it's the best outcome.

Why is life like this.

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Speaking of worst aspects, being that you're a Capricorn Asc with Saturn in Taurus in the 5th house, in mutual reception with Venus, have you ever dated anyone with heavy Scorpio?

(I recall your one comment about a progressed Scorpio Jupiter date that felt "rapey.")

Are you an Aquarius Sun? Is Scorpio on the cusp of your 11th house?

(Side question: Where's your Moon, ruler of your 7th house?)

posted January 02, 2023 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Aries, unfortunately, I haven't seen a married couple with the trine/sextile between the Sun/Moon, without any other important connections between ASC/DC, or maybe the IC, but most often it was ASC/DC.

Maybe I should add a happy couple.

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I think you are correct. The sun/moon trine/sextile doesn't seem to foster as much urgency as the conjunction. I think that added aspects elsewhere in the chart could help seal the deal?

Could the parallel Sun/Moon aspect between Harry (Moon)and Megan(Sun) be a contributory factor in their insistence on being together? This despite whatever everyone else says?

Will and Kate have the contra parallel aspect between Sun(Kate)and Moon (Will). They went back/forth (as is typical with the opposition) before finally deciding to be with each other.

There is more urgency and single-mindedness with the conj/ parallel. Something that feels like you two never want to be parted.

posted January 02, 2023 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
The Pluto/Venus one. Specifically where there's a guy's Pluto trine to the female Venus. It is heart break on repeat mode.
As if they are strapped to a wheel and the anguish is repeated, over and I over until neither can face more heartbreak.

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I thought Pluto trine Venus was supposed to be a great aspect...? This is the first time I am hearing anything about it being a heartbreak aspect. There are probably other planets negatively aspecting this aspect...