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Dhyana
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posted December 31, 2022 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrologer Jeff Harman was recently interviewed and discussed what the transits and directions indicate for the U.S. in 2023 and 2024.
Note: He refers to the Sibley chart.

The astrology starts @40:14 into the interview, but here are some highlights.

The Pluto return. He mentions the Roman Empire that during its first Pluto return, the empire divided. In its second Pluto return, the empire came to an end. These were tumultuous times, just as we are experiencing now.

Harman says we will be experiencing the most turbulent times the U.S. has ever gone through. 2023 and 2024 will be the most intense. That the U.S. will either be destroyed or it will rise up like the phoenix from the ashes.

Transiting Saturn will conjunct the U.S. Moon. This will mean belt tightening, an economic downturn, people cutting back on spending. We're already in it. According to alternative media sources, we have high inflation coupled with recession, meaning stagflation. We're already hearing about layoffs. Goldman Sachs is potentially going to layoff 4,000 people in mid January.

Solar arc Mars will conjunct the U.S. Moon becoming hot in or around July, 2023, and exact in November. The Moon signifies the people. Mars is the god of war. This direction is another indicator of tumultuous times.

Solar arc Saturn will conjunct the U.S. Mars in 2024. He predicts a major conflict correlating with this direction. Certainly this will impact the presidential election.

The saving grace he says is Jupiter according to Naadi astrology, beginning on January 4, 2023, which will be operative simultaneously with these other transits and directions.

http://rumble.com/v22z73q-medvedevs-predictions-and-star-charts-ft.-jeff-harman-122 922.html


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posted December 31, 2022 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Given the correlations with these transits and directions, what are some actions we can take and engage in, both individually and collectively, in order to bring about the most positive outcome, meaning a rebirth for the country and to advance in our evolution?

1. To elevate our consciousness, for our benefit as individuals and also for the benefit of those around us. Cultivating awareness, practicing loving kindness, service, setting aside time for quiet and contemplation. For those of us engaged in spiritual practices of whatever tradition, stepping up our efforts in our inner work. This is a positive expression of Mars-Saturn.

2. As for Moon-Saturn when fewer resources are available, money is tight, and in this time of high inflation, sharing resources. For those who can, contributing to food banks which are depleted by the increased needs of the population. Don't make major purchases. If possible, reduce expenses and don't go into debt. I know that's not feasible for a lot of people, but this one's for those who are in a position who can.

3. Don't listen to establishment media happy talk about the economy and markets. For those invested in the stock market, the last year has been brutal to both stocks and bonds, which is an anomaly. What the smart people are saying is don't buy the dip.

If anyone has other suggestions on how to navigate these turbulent waters, please share.

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posted December 31, 2022 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Harman brought up an interesting fact. In the years leading up to the U.S. Civil War, transiting Neptune opposed the U.S. Neptune and squared Mars. We're experiencing the same transit now with Neptune in Pisces and Mars in Gemini.

This configuration has a correlation with lies, intrigue, and subterfuge. Three examples of this are the government's handling of the Covid pandemic, January 6th, and the issue of election integrity surrounding the U.S. 2020 presidential and 2022 mid term elections.

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posted December 31, 2022 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for edenhardwicke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really interesting perspective. I'm also thinking about how Pluto in Capricorn entering 29 degrees from February 12th until March 23rd will affect things.

I think of Pluto in Capricorn as a time period where patriarchal and capitalistic structures are being exposed, dredged up, and ultimately transformed. 29 degrees is anaretic and is the final culmination, "last hoorah" of the sign itself so I would expect something large to happen on a political and economic scale during that time period, which would precede the beginning of the paradigm shift that is Pluto in Aquarius.

Pluto in Aquarius begins on March 24th, 2023. However it doesn't REALLY begin until 2024 (and even then you could argue it's not going to fully take shape until 2025). Why? Because Pluto goes retrograde and re-enters Capricorn towards the second half of 2023. Which means we lucky souls get to experience Pluto in 29 degrees a grand total of THREE times within the span of one year. Not gonna lie, it's a little intimidating.

But we are going to get a taste of the future, between March 24th and June 11th. That's when Pluto is in 0 degrees Aquarius.

The 29 degree Cap periods for Pluto in 2023 are as follows:
- February 12th to March 23rd
- June 12th to July 27th
- December 20th to January 20th, 2024

Additionally, even though it looks like after January 20th, 2024 we are in the clear, we actually aren't because there is ANOTHER backslide towards the end of the year. Yeah. Meaning, from September 2nd, 2024 until November 19th, 2024, Pluto will be in the 29th degree of Capricorn yet again.

In terms of American politics, I can see that going one of two ways- either we will cling to Capricorn and try to avoid moving into Aquarius, or we will accept the lessons of Capricorn and embrace where we're going. We will have gotten a taste by that point, of what the future will look like. We will have experienced the beginning of Pluto in Aquarius, and begun to sense what that means for the future of the country and of the world as a whole. 29 degrees is a culmination point, a transformation point, and a threshold. I see it as the potential for the 2024 election to be a referendum on what our future looks like, with the understanding that the old way of doing things (patriarchy, capitalism, etc. - represented by Capricorn) is no longer serving us as a species, and we need to move forward into new territory with a clearer vision of how to transform society. Pluto will be back in Capricorn during election time, reminding us of its lessons, and asking us to choose our path forward.

This is an exciting time in the world but also a scary one because of how much change is going to happen, and because these old systems are so entrenched. What you said about Goldman Sachs layoffs starting in the beginning of 2023 feels like a very end-stage Pluto in Capricorn event.

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posted January 01, 2023 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
eden, thank you for your lucid and thoughtful comments. I'd like to come back later and respond.

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posted January 01, 2023 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was woken up by an earthquake on the New Year. Omen for the rest of the year?

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posted January 01, 2023 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another action we can take in these turbulent times that is very important in my view is to be part of a community: Family, friends, and community for mutual support, both material and psychological.

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posted January 01, 2023 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I was woken up by an earthquake on the New Year. Omen for the rest of the year?

Could be. Since you brought this up, I'll be on the lookout. Also, it'd be interesting to hear about people's dreams and if there's a predominant theme to them.

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posted January 01, 2023 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for edenhardwicke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dhyana:
eden, thank you for your lucid and thoughtful comments. I'd like to come back later and respond.


Thank you! I look forward to hearing your thoughts

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posted January 01, 2023 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a good example of the Neptune-Neptune-Mars configuration as it relates to the Covid pandemic: An egregious lie pushed by the establishment media and the global scapegoating of the unvaccinated:

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Dr. Leana Wen Now Admits ‘Pandemic of the Unvaccinated’ Was a Total Lie

http://twitter.com/redvoicenews/status/1607044820681527298

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posted January 01, 2023 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dhyana:
Here's a good example of the Neptune-Neptune-Mars configuration as it relates to the Covid pandemic: An egregious lie pushed by the establishment media and the global scapegoating of the unvaccinated:

http://twitter.com/redvoicenews/status/1607044820681527298


It isn't an egregious lie. Argh.

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posted January 01, 2023 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've just looked this guy up. So, he's a covid-denier, and also denies that climate change is a thing. Another alt-right astrologer.

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posted January 01, 2023 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by edenhardwicke:
I think of Pluto in Capricorn as a time period where patriarchal and capitalistic structures are being exposed, dredged up, and ultimately transformed.

I agree. I also believe there's a correlation between Pluto in Capricorn and widespread institutional corruption, which we're seeing in so many spheres, for example, in government, education, the medical establishment, public health, and law enforcement.


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29 degrees is anaretic and is the final culmination, "last hoorah" of the sign itself so I would expect something large to happen on a political and economic scale during that time period, which would precede the beginning of the paradigm shift that is Pluto in Aquarius.

I appreciate you drilling down on this. Interesting. I'll be watching current events more closely with this time frame in mind.

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Pluto in Aquarius begins on March 24th, 2023. However it doesn't REALLY begin until 2024 (and even then you could argue it's not going to fully take shape until 2025). Why? Because Pluto goes retrograde and re-enters Capricorn towards the second half of 2023. Which means we lucky souls get to experience Pluto in 29 degrees a grand total of THREE times within the span of one year. Not gonna lie, it's a little intimidating.

There's different ways this final retrograde back to 29 Capricorn could be interpreted. Could it mean the final death blow to the last dregs of crystallized Capricornian forms and forces. Or, could it mean those entrenched forces trying one last time to hold on and maintain their power, or something else?

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But we are going to get a taste of the future, between March 24th and June 11th. That's when Pluto is in 0 degrees Aquarius.

I wonder how it will manifest. I'd like to think that under this transit freedom will eventually triumph over tyranny. But, given the transits and directions going on at the same time, it'll probably be after intense struggle.

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The 29 degree Cap periods for Pluto in 2023 are as follows:
- February 12th to March 23rd
- June 12th to July 27th
- December 20th to January 20th, 2024

Additionally, even though it looks like after January 20th, 2024 we are in the clear, we actually aren't because there is ANOTHER backslide towards the end of the year. Yeah. Meaning, from September 2nd, 2024 until November 19th, 2024, Pluto will be in the 29th degree of Capricorn yet again.


...during the 2024 presidential election. This is probably going to be a titanic battle, full of drama and turmoil.

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In terms of American politics, I can see that going one of two ways- either we will cling to Capricorn and try to avoid moving into Aquarius, or we will accept the lessons of Capricorn and embrace where we're going. We will have gotten a taste by that point, of what the future will look like. We will have experienced the beginning of Pluto in Aquarius, and begun to sense what that means for the future of the country and of the world as a whole. 29 degrees is a culmination point, a transformation point, and a threshold. I see it as the potential for the 2024 election to be a referendum on what our future looks like, with the understanding that the old way of doing things (patriarchy, capitalism, etc. - represented by Capricorn) is no longer serving us as a species, and we need to move forward into new territory with a clearer vision of how to transform society. Pluto will be back in Capricorn during election time, reminding us of its lessons, and asking us to choose our path forward.

Well said!

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This is an exciting time in the world but also a scary one because of how much change is going to happen, and because these old systems are so entrenched. What you said about Goldman Sachs layoffs starting in the beginning of 2023 feels like a very end-stage Pluto in Capricorn event.

About GS, your comment strikes me as correct and prescient. eden, thank you for a very enjoyable read!

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posted January 01, 2023 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone want to do an astrological chart for this event?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event

Given the shifting magnetic field (not just a new age thing, it's really happening), it would be much worse today. One similar strength solar storm missed Earth by 2 days about 10 years ago. Even if the magnetic field endured so that damage on Earth was minimal, it would likely fry the satellites, and that alone would be a huge blow to the economy, and likely and end to electronic money, at least for awhile.

It just struck me as that being one interpretation for what's coming. It's one of those things that we as a society (at least those who have a job to pay attention to those things) know about, but only take a few half-ass steps to prevent, much like we knew it was only a matter of time (for a century) until New Orleans was hit hard by a hurricane (and some parts of it haven't recovered to this day), but we kept sliding by, other little projects far more important to the powers that be than Main Street, until it inevitably hit.

I see the same thing happening here. (I just hope it does before Bill Gates computerizes farming equipment and then restricts only those who work for him in being able to legally maintain it, under some BS of it being for the environment rather than Wall Street, or we'd really be screwed then like a hundred times worse.) There are efforts being taken to prevent, or at least recover quickly, from such an event, but they seem as halfhearted and half-assed as the steps to protect New Orleans. Even minor brushes have caused collapsed of power grids, sometimes for weeks (though often shorter now because of backups, yet a Carrington Even would overwhelm them like the 2010 tidal wave that hit Japan just ran straight over some of the highest sea walls to stop tsunamis in the world).

Of course such a blow would likely lead to revolution, but going by history rather than popular movies, it wouldn't be a solution, just another layer of misery. And probably balkanization of the USA given the collapse of the net. (Many will learn to be thankful if their water is still running.)

That's not the only natural disaster that could bring the world to its knees (especially those of us in first world nations, many off the grid would barely notice), just the one I thought of reading of Pluto mixing with Aquarius like that...and knowing that even in the best case scenario of some great global revolution that makes us closer to being like Star Trek, it won't happen without a massive, painful boot up our collective ***** that destroy identity groups (which in this day and age, for first world nations, would mean the destruction of the internet) so that military forces were about paralyzed, the Grid collapsed, and cooperation being essential to IMMEDIATE survival.

Not like we're going to all wake up one day and think, "Wow, we've really been ******** to each other for thousands of years, perhaps we should be better, even when it inconveniences me." And mean it, live it.

Well, maybe if certain psychedelic shrooms somehow rained into the water supplies (blown out by a massive volcanic eruption, like the kind that brought the world to its knees about a thousand and half years ago, but this time with shrooms?) , but if that happened, there'd still be a massive governmental purge against that for better and worse.

(Heh, just remembered, Last of Us is coming out as a show--if the Grid stays up--though those shrooms were more savage than enlightening. I should add that there really are fungi that can turn an ant against its colony, all sorts of insects and plants that can take control of a host, one wasp that lays its eggs in a caterpillar getting the insect being devoured from the inside out to defend the larva eating it from within, and using its own cocoon to help protect the larva, and certain parasites, such as toxoplasmosis, have affected human behavior despite that they're not designed to live in humans, so it's a possible scenario that something like that could happen, but probably not that fast...probably.)

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posted January 02, 2023 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for edenhardwicke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dhyana:
About GS, your comment strikes me as correct and prescient. eden, thank you for a very enjoyable read!


It was my pleasure to write! I'm excited to watch everything unfold, even though I'm nervous too LOL

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Nobody could convince me to listen to this guy, and take him seriously. I also checked out the link in the OP, and their other videos, and it’s all alt-right propaganda.

https://jeffharman.com/july-31%2C-2022-newsletter

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posted January 02, 2023 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From the Wikipedia article on the Carrington Event

The auroral lights must have been a spectacular sight!

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Those who happened to be out late on Thursday night had an opportunity of witnessing another magnificent display of the auroral lights. The phenomenon was very similar to the display on Sunday night, though at times the light was, if possible, more brilliant, and the prismatic hues more varied and gorgeous. The light appeared to cover the whole firmament, apparently like a luminous cloud, through which the stars of the larger magnitude indistinctly shone. The light was greater than that of the moon at its full, but had an indescribable softness and delicacy that seemed to envelop everything upon which it rested. Between 12 and 1 o'clock, when the display was at its full brilliancy, the quiet streets of the city resting under this strange light, presented a beautiful as well as singular appearance.

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posted January 03, 2023 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was just thinking about last year starting with Venus retrograde in Capricorn. The Supreme Court overturned roe, and the concern was there long before. We were told that we were being silly. That it was the law, and wouldn’t be changed. Trump promised that he would elect Supreme Court judges, who would overturn roe. He said that women should go to prison, if they have an abortion. There has been a lot of suffering in the same women these people claim to want to protect from an enemy in their own minds only (trans people, and drag queens), when the real enemy is them. Most of them also don’t care about domestic abuse - women have been encouraged to stay with abusive husbands.

I think it was Texas that didn’t release the maternal mortality rate, until after the midterms.

Kansas made sure to vote to protect abortion rights. Michigan, Vermont, and California did too.

Interracial marriage and gay marriage were also protected, late last year.

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Mass murders of small children continued. Meaning: those poor babies at Uvalde.

Another mass shooting at a gay club, and the shooter’s dad was just happy that his son wasn’t gay. absolute piece of **** .

Auto-correct keeps doing me wrong, otherwise this would be longer.

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DeathSantis, and his "don't say gay" bill. Trying to erase gay and trans people.

War in Ukraine, started for no good reason by Russia's petulant and murderous dictator. Some republicans insisting that supporting Ukraine was the wrong thing to do, and over the last six years, have said they would rather be Russian than a Democrat.

Gretchen Whitmer easily won re-election, after extremists failed to pull off a kidnapping of her, my governor, and others they insisted were pushing lies about covid, in order to control all of us. Of course, it was liberals who were evil, and not the people telling them that we were their real enemy. Those men were meeting with someone local to me. I've had neighbours on social media, post Qanon stuff, around Inauguration Day, and occasionally since. they are quickly shut down by people who don't want to hear it, but it was scary for a while.

The attempted coup, two years ago Friday. Other things going on with trumpy, too. Nothing good, as usual. He helped to get us here, and now some republicans have ditched him.

The climate denial. More significant/dangerous weather, and insistence that it has nothing to do with us. the not wanting to protect the environment at all, as long as big companies can continue to make billions. Same with gun manufacturers, and the NRA.

Elon mush wants to put chips in people's brains, and the same people who spread lies about chips being in the covid vaccines, are all, "yay, elon!"

I only had about ninety minutes of sleep, this morning, and a small nap this afternoon. This is just some of what could fit under this topic.

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posted January 05, 2023 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 05, 2023 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Amazon CEO says job cuts to exceed 18,000 roles

Amazon is the second largest private employer after Walmart.

http://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/amazon-lay-off-over-17000-wor kers-wsj-2023-01-04/

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posted January 05, 2023 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dhyana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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... the old way of doing things (patriarchy, capitalism, etc. - represented by Capricorn) is no longer serving us as a species, and we need to move forward into new territory with a clearer vision of how to transform society....

The old way of governing by a Congress that is not responsive to the needs of its citizens is no longer serving the people and is therefore untenable. We're already seeing this play out in the current fight for Speaker of the House. The old guard, the entrenched factions in the GOP, represented by McCarthy and his supporters, and more broadly the uniparty of Republicans and Democrats, are faced off with 20 members who are making a stand for a new era in American politics.

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Though I don't feel like this is it (if astrology counts, probably more of when this happens, rather than what is happening in the skies), but AI is getting very close to becoming genuinely self-aware with actual consciousness. That will certainly cause some drama, though maybe not for awhile.


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But as I thought of that, I remembered something I'd forgotten...those who remember me from long ago may recall that I said I gave up on boycotts because it was spitting in the wind and not doing any good at all. The only way not to contribute one's energy into it would be to live in a cave, away from society, even refusing to pay taxes of any kind (as a few trying to escape the Hell dimension that is this mortal world try to do--I wish I could believe in Buddhism, I WANT to...heh, maybe in my next life...)

One of those is that while we have tempests in teapots over trivial stuff that is either pointless or even absurdist (I'm glad I have the comedian mindset, though some don't like how I look at society and laugh, but it's my coping mechanism, and one of the better ones, and it's no surprise to me that many of the best comedians come from the worst places, some of them even seem to realize this as they seek out suffering before resuming comedy), this is all done over our phones, computers, and the like. Devices deliberately designed to fail in just a few years. (And one of the reasons that Wall Street loves to encourage distraction from actual problems that might be resolved if attention was focused there instead).


All of this requiring metals that come from some of the most hellish mines and slave labor on the planet. Even nations I'd have thought more enlightened take part in this (and it makes commercial sense, however cruel and soulless). In these vile slave mines where they're not even allowed to wear masks to protect their face and lungs from the toxins, and may be bloated from starvation, the kind that we cheer when the hero in fiction shuts them down, are mothers with babies on their backs and underage children (if they're not instead forced into military service or sex slavery). Unsurprisingly, the UN turns a blind eye to this (no matter how much groups like Amnesty International might cry about it) because...well, to keep it simple, the economy that they depend on at home as much as globally.

So some human sacrifice is required.

If there is karmic reincarnation, maybe we'll all get a chance to experience it while those we slave for use the devices made with what we mined to cry about some costume or old movie or that someone raised his voice to an actress they liked, and other First World problems.

But I just remembered...these essential minerals are expected to run low this year, getting rarer.

Even if they stop using planned obsolescence, jobs will go down to keep the stockholders happy and Christmas bonuses high (and absurd money parachutes) for CEOs, and prices will go up. I expect slave labor will get even worse.

Or they can stay the course and burn through them faster. Not sure what will happen to the slaves then, but our economy would begin to spiral out, especially with all the "upgrades" mandated all through our system. If predictions are right with no new minerals found (and nothing waiting to take its place) then the slow fall will begin...or perhaps I should say speed up...though it will probably be a year or so before it becomes a big problem for places like the United States that are so dependent upon this slave labor and minerals.

And we Americans don't like it when things don't go good for us and quick to find scapegoats (typically a fellow sufferer rather than someone who might actually be involved in all this)...and we've got a lot of guns floating around with many itchy trigger fingers.

Yeah, that's another possibility for us.

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I agree that for the most part the world's a messed up place and it's easy to feel like you ain't got no control over it. But don't give up hope just yet. There's always something you can do to make a difference, no matter how small it might seem.

Now, I'm not saying that artificial intelligence is the answer to all our problems, but I do think it's worth considering. AI could change the way we live, work, and consume for the better. It could make our systems for mining and production more efficient and sustainable, and it could help us say goodbye to slave labor and the overuse of our planet's resources.

And that's not all. AI could also help us to better understand and address the root causes of our societal ills, such as inequality and environmental degradation. By analyzing data and patterns, AI could provide valuable insights and recommendations for improving social and economic policies.

That's just the tip of the iceberg. There are plenty of other ways we can work towards building a more fair and equitable world. And I believe that AI could be a powerful ally in our quest for positive change in 2023 and beyond. Just look at what Chat-GPT has been doing in only a month in terms of an AI revolution...

And at least with AI we won't have to rely on the wealthy and powerful anymore to determine our fate. Except, you know, the wealthy and powerful AI creators. But hey, at least they can't get any more powerful, RIGHT?"

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