posted January 04, 2023 08:25 PM            

For instance, someone I know, acts, speaks and sounds so much like mercury-venus people, yet the chart that I make for them on astro.com denotes it too wide of an orb for a sextile between the two in their chart. Now I can customize the orbs to my desired level, but it is obvious that the recommended orb on that website is not what I think.

Coming back to mercury-venus as an example, a family member is one, and I have dated a few people who have this aspect and I recognize the energy pretty fast, so I am sure even though it is not shown on the website, that person has it in their chart.

So here is my theory, either the applying aspects are much wider than we usually read is "allowed", I think even up to a 20 degree orb is felt especially when the luminaries or saturn or jupiter are involved, or, certain signs, like aries, cancer, leo, sagittarius and capricorn, allow for much bigger room between the planets for the energy to still be felt pretty clearly.

I think it is very interesting that Vedic astrology does not work much with orbs either, and a lot of times just planets sitting in the same or opposite sign or house is considered significant (I am by no means a Vedic expert so feel free to correct me).

posted January 05, 2023 07:53 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
More and more I am coming to believe that the astrological aspect degree limits are much more fluid than we think.

For instance, someone I know, acts, speaks and sounds so much like mercury-venus people, yet the chart that I make for them on astro.com denotes it too wide of an orb for a sextile between the two in his chart. Now I can customize the orbs to my desired level, but it is obvious that the recommended orb on that website is not what I think.

Coming back to mercury-venus as an example, a family member is one, and I have dated a few people who have this aspect and I recognize the energy pretty fast, so I am sure even though it is not shown on the website, that person has it in their chart.

So here is my theory, either the applying aspects are much wider than we usually read is "allowed", I think even up to a 20 degree orb is felt especially when the luminaries or saturn or jupiter are involved, or, certain signs, like aries, cancer, leo, sagittarius and capricorn, allow for much bigger room between the planets for the energy to still be felt pretty clearly.

I think it is very interesting that Vedic astrology does not work much with orbs either, and a lot of times just planets sitting in the same or opposite sign or house is considered significant (I am by no means a Vedic expert so feel free to correct me).

What do you think?

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The themes are important to underline. The chart usually "sings" & declinations must be explored.

The Draconic chart can add or clarify confusion with regards to the themes.

When reading each aspect individually,I think it should tie into the rest of the chart. No aspect is there by mistake.

posted January 05, 2023 02:45 PM            

The rationale that person B in some way behaves like person A known to have a Mercury-to-Venus aspect in their chart does not mean person B does have such an aspect, or if they do that it will be in longitude. Aspects and orbs cannot be fully understood without consulting the declinations, the parallels and contra-parallels which are stand-alone aspects. Astrologers and students have often made the mistake of observing the dynamic of a particular aspect and thinking it must be in longitude, therefore the orb must be stretched to link the two planets together, when in fact the actual aspect at work is in declination and clearly within orb.

I tend to agree that with some aspects the applying orb is a bit wider, or at least the aspect is in more of a building dynamic that allows it to be more noticed when applying from further out. But that wouldn't necessarily stretch the orb outside what has been established by the traditional and classical astrologers based on the particular weight and influence of the bodies themselves. In other words, Sun and Moon more orb.

The concept of orbs in its origins is outlined by William Lilly and the full term as applied in assessing aspects is moeity of orbs, meaning an orb assigned (for major aspects) to a planet based on its overall power/size and given a mean (half) orb once you know the other planet and its orb.

This still only refers to major aspects (conjunction, sextile, square, trine, opposition) and is incomplete. The geometry of the other harmonics must be taken into account as I've described.

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posted January 05, 2023 02:49 PM            

I'll amend my 'certainly' statement about aspects with the luminaries because I've been reminded that the visible light sphere surrounding the Sun for example extends a bit beyond 15 degrees. So it may even be that the 15-degree aspect is superceded by the luminaries (but not the planets).

posted January 05, 2023 03:54 PM            

When we have the luxury of looking at family patterns, or large groups, perhaps we see repeating themes that we need or simply like.

I personally have Pluto in wide square to my sun moon opposition. It’s 10 from my moon, 12 from my sun. But I feel it. Move on to my daughter. She has sun wide conjunct moon- 16 degrees apart. But Pluto is on the opposite midpoint of that sun moon. My other daughter is a sun square Pluto? And her moon is 13 degrees from Pluto. So nearly conjunct.

I just don’t think this is coincidental. And that’s just my little inner circle. Imagine if we examined larger groups of interconnected people.

posted January 05, 2023 03:58 PM            

However in a natal or synastry, you are right, the orbs for all signs and planets can work in wider orbs than traditional astrology texts. Although I agree with Kannon on this, geometrically the aspect will not be in the perfect shape. But who are we to say that until the 6th or the 8th or the 10th or so on and so forth orb all is well, but once it hits the 7 or the 9 or the 11 degree mark it no longer works! It would not make that much of a sense and would be very hard to back up.

In nature there are many hidden and undiscovered geometries yet to be explored. One example would be fractals, looking like chaos from above, but once you get close there are perfect patterns and series happening.

I would guess an individual with a strong Uranus and/or Pallas possibly connected to a planet or a house in a water sign would be very good at picking up on the energy of wide orbs.

posted January 05, 2023 07:04 PM            

The standard algorithms for locating the Moon are inaccurate. To locate the Moon accurately, you need to use the 'topocentric position', an option given at astro.com in their Extended Chart Selection.

The standard method of locating the Moon is based on a line of 'sight' drawn through the center of Earth (not from birth location). SO it does not correct for parallax effect. So when the Moon is near the Asc it is actually 1° more advanced than standard method says. When the Moon is near the DC it is actually 1° less advanced than standard method says.

The standard method of locating the Moon gets more accurate the closer Moon is to IC/MC axis.

So obviously, this affects aspects and orbs as displayed on charts and as we presume them to be.

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posted January 05, 2023 11:09 PM            

I usually check the declinations, however this person does not have one between venus and mercury.

The orb between the two in their chart is 7 degrees. I believe astro.com only counts < 6 as a sextile. So unless I manually increase the orb I can't see an aspect between the two in the chart.