posted January 22, 2023 06:48 AM            

If she has a habit of falling for aggressive men and you also have a bad feeling about him, this would be more of an indication to me, than the chart itself. Never underestimate the power of your intuition. Maybe you could talk with your friend about her birth chart? If she’s open to it, you might help her figure out why she falls for these type of men? That would probably help her the most, but that only works if she’s at a point in her life where she’s willing and able to “grow”.

posted January 22, 2023 08:32 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
Mars - Pluto aspects, especially the harsh ones, are known to be passionate. So much so, that it could lead to violence if people have poor self control. But it all depends on the maturity of the people involved how it actually plays out.

If she has a habit of falling for aggressive men and you also have a bad feeling about him, this would be more of an indication to me, than the chart itself. Never underestimate the power of your intuition. Maybe you could talk with your friend about her birth chart? If she’s open to it, you might help her figure out why she falls for these type of men? That would probably help her the most, but that only works if she’s at a point in her life where she’s willing and able to “grow”.

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posted January 22, 2023 08:47 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
It can be dangerous it just depends on the two people involved. This aspect is highly sexual. I personally enjoy the sexual intensity and compatibility that this aspect brings.

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posted January 22, 2023 08:50 AM            

My only other experience with Mars-Pluto, is with my parents. My father had his natal Scorpio Mars square Leo Pluto. He had anger issues. My mother was only a year younger, so her Pluto squared his Mars too. They didn’t kill each other but there was occasional domestic violence when alcohol was brought into the mix.

posted January 22, 2023 09:11 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
This man has clear red flags showing through his behavior. He can’t force her into a relationship. Did she really try to quit or is she secretly loving this obsessive attention?

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posted January 22, 2023 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by StoneMoon:
I have had it multiple times, but in Virgo. Their pluto, my mars. With one he was conflict avoidant, so it made me go nuts and my temper flared. With another, it was all sex. The other is a good girlfriend of mine, and nothing is triggered.

I will say that with the two men above it ultimately boiled down to power and control issues. And your friend certainly seems to be experiencing this. It sounds very unhealthy, and I agree with your concerns.

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posted January 22, 2023 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
How is it when a man’s Pluto is activated in Synastry ?

My friend is involved with a man that is very controlling of her and jealous and his Pluto is conjunct her Mars in Scorpio. He gives me bad vibes and i feel like she should be careful about him. She herself has a Sun square Mars aspect which i have read can have a woman be drawn to aggressive types and she has been with men before that are bad tempered.

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The aspect in itself is not dangerous. But in your friend's case, it could be potentially dangerous because she has Sun square Mars, therefore, his Pluto is going to amplify this natal aspect of her by also squaring her Sun. Pluto square or opposite personal planets in synastry can be dangerous...

posted January 22, 2023 04:03 PM            

The outer planets are ofcourse the quieter energy overall. Whilst Mars is perhaps the loudest of the inner planets. It too can be influenced by the outers.

Ike and Tina Turner had Mars(Ike) conjunct Sun(Tina) conjunct. And we know how that went. But Ike had Pluto contra-parralell to Mars. He wanted his will be done. Not the type to compromise.

His attraction to Tina played out the inherent Pluto-Mars mix in him. His desire to control every aspect of her. This no matter how much she was willing to submit to, he wanted more. Never satisfied.

Many times I think that when Sun/Mars is involved in the aspect with Pluto in synastry, it happens when the Mars/Sun person isn't clear about their will/their power, misuses it or is wishy washy about it.

Mars/Sun are the essence of who you are as an individual. Your spirit (Mars) & personality (Sun). Any time someone steps on either, you will react.

So Pluto can come to influence the other planet either for good or ill. This could end up strengthening the Mars/Sun person to "take back their power" either within the relationship or when they have left it

Mars is rage and passion (the unbridled kind). So, I think that there could be certain aspects that (for instance) may be in the natal that either pacify Mars or cause it distress in some way.

When the Pluto person comes into the picture, the dynamics change. The individual with Mars will get in touch with the primal aspect of Mars.

posted January 23, 2023 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Many times I think that when Sun/Mars is involved in the aspect with Pluto in synastry, it happens when the Mars/Sun person isn't clear about their will/their power, misuses it or is wishy washy about it.

So Pluto can come to influence the other planet either for good or ill. This could end up strengthening the Mars/Sun person to "take back their power" either within the relationship or when they have left it

Mars is rage and passion (the unbridled kind). So, I think that there could be certain aspects that (for instance) may be in the natal that either pacify Mars or cause it distress in some way.

When the Pluto person comes into the picture, the dynamics change. The individual with Mars will get in touch with the primal aspect of Mars.
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This is why i said you should have your own Astrology site so you can write about these things. You described my friend to a T with this ‘’Many times I think that when Sun/Mars is involved in the aspect with Pluto in synastry, it happens when the Mars/Sun person isn't clear about their will/their power, misuses it or is wishy washy about it’’

posted January 23, 2023 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Ike and Tina Turner had Mars(Ike) conjunct Sun(Tina) conjunct. And we know how that went. But Ike had Pluto contra-parralell to Mars. He wanted his will be done. Not the type to compromise.

His attraction to Tina played out the inherent Pluto-Mars mix in him. His desire to control every aspect of her. This no matter how much she was willing to submit to, he wanted more. Never satisfied.

Many times I think that when Sun/Mars is involved in the aspect with Pluto in synastry, it happens when the Mars/Sun person isn't clear about their will/their power, misuses it or is wishy washy about it.

Mars/Sun are the essence of who you are as an individual. Your spirit (Mars) & personality (Sun). Any time someone steps on either, you will react.

So Pluto can come to influence the other planet either for good or ill. This could end up strengthening the Mars/Sun person to "take back their power" either within the relationship or when they have left it

Mars is rage and passion (the unbridled kind). So, I think that there could be certain aspects that (for instance) may be in the natal that either pacify Mars or cause it distress in some way.

When the Pluto person comes into the picture, the dynamics change. The individual with Mars will get in touch with the primal aspect of Mars.

Does the woman in question have Mars hurt or in adverse aspects or debilitated? This is not necessarily a "woman" thing. A man could also fall into this dynamic of having Mars in a weird position. Energy isn't gender exclusive.

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Looking at Ike and Tina' individual charts, I see that Tina herself had an exact Sagg Sun Square Pisces Mars aspect. Plus her Gemini moon was opposite/square said aspect. Therefore Ike inserting his fiery Sagg Mars on her Sun amplified and fired up that T-cross.

Tina in her chart also had a Pluto Trine Sun aspect, she is very Plutonian, therefore unconsciously, she sought transformative experiences that would help her build her own strenght and force her to reinvent herself.

posted January 23, 2023 04:13 PM            

Tina Turners' chart:
https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Tina_Turner

posted January 23, 2023 06:11 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I think abusive men are just abusive, and it doesn't matter when it comes to charts. They may not show it around most people, just those in their immediate family/circle. the woman doesn't invite it. You can be quiet as a mouse, and they will still get you for something.

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posted January 24, 2023 11:12 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
Mars - Pluto aspects, especially the harsh ones, are known to be passionate. So much so, that it could lead to violence if people have poor self control. But it all depends on the maturity of the people involved how it actually plays out.

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My Asc-Pluto are opposite my wife's Mars. We have a healthy relationship that does not involve abuse of any kind from either end. There can be some irritation, but nothing near enough to make me or her wish we weren't together.

The toughest dynamic between Mars-Pluto in hard aspect tends to be in the cardinal and fixed signs.

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posted January 25, 2023 02:28 AM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
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Ike and Tina Turner had Mars(Ike) conjunct Sun(Tina) conjunct. And we know how that went. But Ike had Pluto contra-parralell to Mars. He wanted his will be done. Not the type to compromise.

His attraction to Tina played out the inherent Pluto-Mars mix in him. His desire to control every aspect of her. This no matter how much she was willing to submit to, he wanted more. Never satisfied.

Many times I think that when Sun/Mars is involved in the aspect with Pluto in synastry, it happens when the Mars/Sun person isn't clear about their will/their power, misuses it or is wishy washy about it.

Mars/Sun are the essence of who you are as an individual. Your spirit (Mars) & personality (Sun). Any time someone steps on either, you will react.

So Pluto can come to influence the other planet either for good or ill. This could end up strengthening the Mars/Sun person to "take back their power" either within the relationship or when they have left it

Mars is rage and passion (the unbridled kind). So, I think that there could be certain aspects that (for instance) may be in the natal that either pacify Mars or cause it distress in some way.

When the Pluto person comes into the picture, the dynamics change. The individual with Mars will get in touch with the primal aspect of Mars.

Does the woman in question have Mars hurt or in adverse aspects or debilitated? This is not necessarily a "woman" thing. A man could also fall into this dynamic of having Mars in a weird position. Energy isn't gender exclusive.

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Looking at Ike and Tina' individual charts, I see that Tina herself had an exact Sagg Sun Square Pisces Mars aspect. Plus her Gemini moon was opposite/square said aspect. Therefore Ike inserting his fiery Sagg Mars on her Sun amplified and fired up that T-cross.

Tina in her chart also had a Pluto Trine Sun aspect, she is very Plutonian, therefore unconsciously, she sought transformative experiences that would help her build her own strenght and force her to reinvent herself.

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Yes. Absolutely.🙏🏿

posted January 25, 2023 02:29 AM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
This is why i said you should have your own Astrology site so you can write about these things. You described my friend to a T with this ‘’Many times I think that when Sun/Mars is involved in the aspect with Pluto in synastry, it happens when the Mars/Sun person isn't clear about their will/their power, misuses it or is wishy washy about it’’

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