posted April 04, 2023 08:18 AM            

Ven is what we value. And often Venus is what we project on others- hence why Venus is "attraction". Whether the attraction is platonic or romantic, will be contextually based.

Take for instance Venus in Pisces square Another's Sun in Sag.

Venus in water finds value (Venus) in emotions( water) or self awareness in terms of feelings and what is happening within.

Sensitivity,empathy, emotional rapport, support, comfort, nourishment, emotional intelligence etc. Are things that Venus in water values. The love language is often "quality time" and "acts of service" with these people

Venus in Pisces (in particular) values the boundless "merging" of two people in friendship, business or love. Venus in Pisces doesn't want to differentiate between you and them. The two must mesh together as one and become indivisible.

The experience of complete and utter surrender to each other in faith/trust in the other, is what Venus in Pisces dreams about. No limitations or restrictions between you two. And add to that, no impositions of restrictions or limitations on each other- therein lies the rub. ☝🏿

Venus in water desires to get to the point where even verbal words are unnecessary. You two are so "in tune" , that there is even a possibility of telepathic rapport (right in the presence of others).

Sun is our metaphorical aspirational point and conscious expression. We seek to express the solar qualities and see those as the authentic expression of self.

Yes,there are other planets like Moon/Mars etc. That may modify the Sun sign in our interactions with others. But if we are to consider ourselves "self actualized" or " true to self", its usually the Solar qualities that we wish to develop. Its a life-long mission/goal we have with ourselves.

Sun in Fire is looking to differentiate the self from others in conscious expression. They wish to "shine" in this way and become unique and individuated. The expression of this independence is always underlying their conscious choices. And they feel themselves "becoming more themselves" once they are allowed free reign to be who they are,where they are etc.

Sag (in particular) agrees with the boundless nature of relationships they go into(they are also Jupiter ruled and share rapport with Pisces and Cancer(where Jup is exalted)). But its the "merging" part that they find tricky.

Fire has no desire to merge but mantain independence. Its not so pronounced in Leo, but in Sag and Aries,it can be an issue. With Aries ( in particular) outright rebelling against this form of conformity. Whilst with Sag(mutable) it can be through evasive actions that are not aligned to the original blueprint.

The square then would be the tension between Sag's gravitational pull towards independence vs. The system of values and worth that Pis has of indivisible union.

This can manifest in a number of ways i.e. when they communicate, one can be assertive to the point of being abrasive (Sag) whilst the other (Pisc) will feel their more delicate sensibilities trampled on.

Pisces requires less words and more intuitive sensing of what the other "means" to say. This is what they value.Sag however has no issues with verbal expression ( no matter how sharp). Expressed words provide clarity. No? The less words used (and Sag can be verbose) the more open we are to misunderstandings. So Pisces need for "feeling things out" falls on deaf ears on Sun in Sag.

Also, there is a tendency for water energy to unconsciously attach themselves to things and find no separation between them and that thing attached to.

So if its a value system or belief one has that re-enforces one's identity and outlook, water can attach and internalize that value system. This whether that value systen serves them or not. And therein lies the other itch🤷🏿‍♂️

Fire however tends to be loyal only and when something serves them. Once it doesnt, fire changes the value system. And Leo (more specifically) will not attach themselves to a value system (whether idea or philosophy) that doesn't centre around THEM. They don't usually make that mistake.

So with Sun in Sag, the native will interrogate the closely held value systems of the Pisces Venus individual. The former's tendency to want to "objectively" see how things work, will clash with the latters tendency of being blindly loyal.

Sag may ridicule Pisces' values if they seem "nonsensical" to them. And Sag will voice this openly (in the interest of open, honest communication) . And this "objectivity" will grate at Pisce's feelings too. They'll often feel "attacked" by Sag because of their inability to detach. And Sag inability yo.be diplomatic.

The latter can also manifest in the real life example of the spending habits of Venus in Pisces. These may get harsh and severe criticism from Sag Sun. Or what Pis considers essential (Ven),could be evaluated to be "less" in the eyes of Sag.

posted April 04, 2023 06:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Miasangel:
Yes I meant synastry-wise. Do you know what difficulties may be there because of the square in this aspect?

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Why focus on difficulties? You're talking about Sun and a benefic, Venus. It is a beneficial aspect for synastry, relationships. There can be a tendency to over-indulge the other, even see them through rose-colored glasses.

Venus does the loving, so there may at times seem to be a push by the Sun (stronger energy) to take advantage or take it for granted, but this single aspect does not determine outcomes or color the whole synastry/relationship.

What matters in synastry is that a majority of the aspects are either flowing or involve the benefics, Venus, Jupiter, even in 'hard' aspects. Those contribute to forming and maintaining good will and affection, growth and expansion.

Hard aspects between Venus or Jupiter (benefics) and Sun, Moon, Asc, MC, Mercury, Venus — any factor other than Mars & Saturn are beneficial to relationships.

The problem is that astrologers seem to look for an excuse to label anything that might involve a challenge to find balance as 'bad'. What the benefics touch has goodness and enjoyment in it. The exceptions are when a benefic is in hard aspect with a malefic (Mars, Saturn) or when malefics are in hard aspect with personal points. Then you've got a more serious issue to resolve. All forms of relationship, however, can resolve them if there is willingness between the people involved.

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