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Kannon McAfee
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posted June 07, 2023 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yods are composed of at least three planets in which two of them are in sextile, but both of those create two quincunxes. So understanding them comes from first understanding the 150° quincunx aspect. (I don´t use the term ´inconjunct´ because is confusing in its implication of ´not conjunct´; in astrology we need clarity, not confusion of any kind).

The Quincunx aspect ranges from about 147 to a bit short of 153°. I think the orb range falls off a bit quicker on the long side. So I see it as falling off around 152.5-.7° The tri-septile is at +/-154°17´ and gets around at least a 1° orb (=153°17 – 155°17´) with some dead space between the aspects.

The quincunx is the only aspect of 30-degree multiples that cannot be obtained by dividing the 360° circle by an even number (360 / 150 = 2.4 or two and two-fifths). That makes it a standout aspect. To refer to it as ´minor´ is misleading. It has a tighter orb than all other major aspects, but that does not make it minor any more than parallels or contra-parallels of declination. It simply needs to be understood for what it is.

The quincunx shows a relation between two planets that is awkward. The two planetary energies are ´talking´ to each other, but not yet well coordinated, not fully understanding each other. There is an adjustment needed in their coordination for it to be productive. There is the potential implied in the quincunx´s position halfway between the tensions and conflicts of the opposition and the smooth, coordinated flow of the trine. So the potential is there for internalizing a pattern more like a trine. That´s what I think the quincunx is: a lesson in which the aim is to shift dynamics of an opposition into the dynamics of a trine.

It is my observation, which has independently agreed with those of at least one other astrology (Fred Bickum) that the semi-sextile functions like a quincunx (with a tighter orb: 1°)

Quincunxes by planet
Please note that these are given as outlines for your contemplation and learning. I will not be answering requests in the comments to interpret your specific aspects.

Sun – shows ego and self-concept/confidence issues and tendencies for interruptions in the steady flow of energy, will power, life force. It can indicate growth process away from particular ego patterns that are holding back the sense of identity in one’s soul growth.

Moon – shows difficulty understanding one´s personal needs and tendencies for some kind of unhealthy reactionism involving the other planet. This creates patterns of anxiety/worry, guilt, restlessness, with potential nagging stomach/digestive issues or even sleep issues, etc. Daily rhythms can be disrupted. It indicates varying forms of insecurity and self-worth issues to be resolved through self-acceptance and appropriate forms of relaxation and human support/intimacy.

Mercury – indicates inconsistent reasoning, misconceptions that can create patterns of miscommunication. The person tends to make assumptions that are unwarranted.

Venus – indicates distortions of self-esteem and/or values and often a tendency to bend too far to please others or develop expectations unfair to self or another. A more practical attitude in relationships may need to be adopted so that the person feels the love and affection they desire.

Mars – indicates challenges guiding one´s actions in a productive way, as well as possible ego insertions where it is not needed. Tendencies to act before there is enough learning or before necessary planning has been made.

Jupiter – indicates exaggerations or over-responses in which generosity or growth is mistaken for duty. Difficulty knowing their personal human limitations. It can be hard for the person to know what is enough or where/how to focus their benevolence appropriately.

Saturn or Neptune in quincunxes always indicate some kind of underlying subconscious guilt the person needs to unlearn — especially if the Moon is at the other end.

Saturn – self-esteem issue to be resolved so the person does not obligate themselves to what they do not control. There tends to be over-compensation to prove oneself because there are underlying self-worth issues, difficulty accepting oneself as-is.

Uranus – indicates further understanding is needed on a practical level of the nature and reach of the higher mind, of vibration, of one´s mental relation to the collective mind. The person may attract unwanted interactions or information — or be the actor in those relations that disrupt casual relations or make inappropriate or oddly timed revelations.

Neptune – indicates misconceptions and mis-perceptions; sensitivity that is easily distracted with a need for better psychic boundaries with the outside world over what affects thoughts and feelings. It is often bound up with underlying guilt or new guilt created by the mis-perception of one’s influence or responsibility.

Pluto – indicate types of compulsions or mis-spent drives, and often the need to erect better boundaries in preserving psychic and physical space for maintaining personal power.

When the pattern goes too far without correction
When these patterns snowball and go too far, often physical health problems or accidents result. We are subconsciously trying to get our conscious attention to stop the unhealthy pattern and make the adjustments.

The quincunx is like a journey without a straight, clearly marked path to the destination. The person assumes a direction, but incrementally may veer away, potentially ending up miles from where they wanted to go. Frequent check-ins with some kind of guiding instrument or tool (the compass of inner spiritual guidance) to get back on track. But miss those incremental adjustments and we can end up off course far enough that we subconsciously create a material stop sign which keeps us from continuing the same way.

Quincunxes challenge us to be flexible rather fixed in our approach to the results we are seeking. The issues here are not necessarily as major as the ones indicated by squares, oppositions, or certain types of conjunctions, but they are ones we´ve decided to take on in this lifetime that are pivotal to our forward progress here-and-now.

Yod Configurations
The Yod represents an ambitious effort by a soul to let an innate strength or well coordinated pattern guide one to resolve two particular patterns of incoordination or inner conflict, represented by the two quincunxes to the stem (apex) planet.

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PlutoWasHere
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posted June 08, 2023 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon, thank you for your informational post. Quincunxes are very interesting and seems to be still somewhat uncharted teritory within astrology.

I have no yod in my birth chart but there are 2 tight quincuxes and 1 that's a bit wider but still just within orb. I have my Mercury at 4Gemini quincunx my Uranus at 5Scorpio, my Jupiter at 10Taurus quincunx my Pluto at 9Libra and my Venus at 7Taurus quincunx my Pluto at 9Libra.

My Mercury and Uranus quincunx is the tightest and, for me, definitely recognizable in my personality. It probably indicates that I can have unusual insights that I have trouble communicating these appropriately. I can be very self conscious about having ideas that might not be accepted because they are too far out of the box. But the urge to share these ideas is often too strong to stay silent. I basically suffer from brainfarts. They're out before I know it and they can be really awkward.

My Venus/Jupiter quincunx Pluto feels more difficult to handle. It makes me struggle with finding an acceptable way of showing my affection. And with acceptable, it's mostly an internal struggle. I struggle with being vulnerable but also feeling the strong need to shower the ones I love with affection. I don't want to be taken advantage of but also want to share my good fortune with everyone that hasn't been so lucky. It can sometimes make me ridiculously principled about the smallest of things. Out of love I can try and shove something down your throat. It's Pluto, the god of the underworld, in an over the top fairy godmother type frilly pink dress, aggressively trying to convince you to have another piece of cake. And no is not an answer. It's not pretty, but really, it does come from a good heart.

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posted June 08, 2023 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is informative, thanks.
I probably have them only with axises.
I started to think in transits this aspect could be quite influential.

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posted June 08, 2023 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StoneMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes! Thank you for this post, I find it very helpful!

I have Mercury quincunx Moon exact. I do not enjoy it. I find I betray myself constantly- the way I want to handle/conduct myself emotionally gets beaten out by this need to express myself, and while it feels good in the moment, I always regret it immediately thereafter. I always wished I could be the silent type.

I can also attest to the anxiety, self worth, and stomach issues. I definitely feel I struggle to voice myself and my thoughts well. It sounds brilliant in my head, only to realize much later I left out key words or concepts and that virtually I was not successful in communicating my thoughts. As the above poster stated, I feel like I often speak up before I have completely thought things out, I fail to see all sides of the potentials, and then also brainfarts. I kind of wish I hadn't signed up for this life lesson, but I have so here I am.

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posted June 08, 2023 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All the yes- thank you Kannon!

I've never heard of the take where the quincunx ideally needs to move into a trine rather than simply finding middle ground within the opposition- this is excellent to learn!

3 yods myself (2 overlapping) involving all but one of the personal planets. I'd say most of the descriptions were accurate, perhaps some feel 'off' due to the odd nature of their interactions within the quincunxes.

The 'pressure' to get things changed is definitely there, and a LOT of feeling like 'oh if I had done this differently at this time... why do I realize it so late!' comes part and parcel with these placements too.

How would the 'moving to a trine' aspect work if all the placements are in differing elements? Would it be the move to the matching trine of the apex or the two at the base? Or is it the more dominant planet-- OR even the elemental trine between the two placements? Many curiosities here.

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posted June 09, 2023 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I notice I got triggered by the Venus description about self value and bending over backwards. It’s such a theme in my life. I have poor boundaries, I only notice that I have overextended myself when it’s too late. And then I usually feel very guilty that I have to disappoint people, it really affects me.

Venus and Pluto have a very complicated connection in my chart. I have my Venus quincunx Pluto, but my Venus is also parallel my Pluto, my Venus is in Taurus, in the 8th house, rules my Pluto and Pluto is conjunct my Ascendant. Any insights into this would be welcome.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted June 09, 2023 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
I notice I got triggered by the Venus description about self value and bending over backwards. It’s such a theme in my life. I have poor boundaries, I only notice that I have overextended myself when it’s too late. And then I usually feel very guilty that I have to disappoint people, it really affects me.

I hear you. I've got Venus quincunx Jupiter in my birth chart and I can relate very well to what you said.

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Venus and Pluto have a very complicated connection in my chart. I have my Venus quincunx Pluto, but my Venus is also parallel my Pluto, my Venus is in Taurus, in the 8th house, rules my Pluto and Pluto is conjunct my Ascendant. Any insights into this would be welcome.

Yeah, that's comlex. It tells me your affection and values run deep, but that your practical application tends to go too far or you feel like you should hold back your stronger feelings. It signals the need for more moderation in how you express affection, and some compromise in how you relate. That complex feature indicates to me the need for some kind of creative outlet to calm down the Pluto intensity and focus the Venus part.

Generally, challenging Venus-Pluto contacts indicate the need to loosen up attachments and give more space for authentic responses from others in their own time.

With quincunxes, there can be an alternating dynamic, which I failed to mention in my article. I think you can take advantage of that proactively in a way. Instead of going at someone too intensely, how about a more indirect, or at less less intense approaches that leave more room for their response. What about how you give gifts? What about how you use your creativity to present gifts from the heart?

Just thinking out loud.

There's fear and possessiveness (fear of losing) implied. Pluto can be over the top, but also self-suppressive. So finding balance is important.

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posted June 10, 2023 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon, thank you for your reply. You’re right, there is fear involved. It’s connected to the self limiting thought patterns involving my self worth. I don’t feel like I deserve good things, that I’m not special enough to deserve this. I fear possessiveness. I’m afraid that if I want something really badly that it will have some kind of power over me and I don’t like that. So I will deny that I want certain things, because I see it as a weakness. It’s not like I deserve the things I want anyway, so it’s better to just forget them. Both the self worth issues and the fear of wanting something being a weakness are connected, like fire and the oxygen that feeds it.

It’s not easy bagage, but I’m working on it. Maybe Pluto in Aquarius will support this transformation. It will trine my natal Libra Pluto and square my natal Taurus Venus somewhere in the first half of 2027. Uranus will be conjunct my Mercury and square my Moon around that time as well.

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posted June 13, 2023 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoldenSword     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the great thread.

I've read somewhere about quincunxes that the 6th sign from the sign is its waste and the 8th is its treasure, e.g. Gemini's treasure is in Capricorn.

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