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Topic: Angelina Jolie's Conjunctions: Venusian vs. Martian
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Leo-Cancer98 Knowflake Posts: 1962 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Nov 2014
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posted July 09, 2023 09:55 AM
Hi everyone!What do you think about Angelina's exact Cancer Venus-Ascendant conjunction vs. her Aries Moon-Aries Mars conjunction? ------------------ Cancer Rising 2nd House Leo Sun 3rd House Leo Mercury 6th House Sagittarius Moon & Pluto 1st House Cancer Venus & Mars 10th House Pisces Jupiter conjunct MC. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 178347 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 09, 2023 04:25 PM
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Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 5121 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 09, 2023 10:47 PM
I showed that she does not have Cancer rising, but Leo rising. Venus not quite as close to her Asc: http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2014/12/19/angelina-jolie-rectification-example/ Glad you brought it up. I was thinking of expanding the article to give it even more detail. ------------------ The Declcinations Guy Soul Stars Astrology Gemstone Readings for energy balance and healing We were born for these times. We agreed to be here. IP: Logged |
Leo-Cancer98 Knowflake Posts: 1962 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Nov 2014
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posted July 10, 2023 06:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: I showed that she does not have Cancer rising, but Leo rising. Venus not quite as close to her Asc: http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/2014/12/19/angelina-jolie-rectification-example/ Glad you brought it up. I was thinking of expanding the article to give it even more detail.
She’s definitely a Cancer Rising. Her eyes & lips are almost exactly like mine. Her face shape isn’t though, because her Ascendant is in the 3rd decan. It matches “3rd (Decan) - 21-30 Degrees” : https://the-rebel-shaman.tumblr.com/post/171665716111/cancer-risingascendant/amp https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Angelina_Jolie ------------------ Cancer Rising 2nd House Leo Sun 3rd House Leo Mercury 6th House Sagittarius Moon & Pluto 1st House Cancer Venus & Mars 10th House Pisces Jupiter conjunct MC. IP: Logged |
Belage Knowflake Posts: 7053 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 10, 2023 10:16 AM
Her birth Certificate is listed as 9:09am, according to the record on astrotheme - and I see no reason to believe it is inaccurate. Venusian cancer rising makes a lot of sense for her. A gaggle of children. She has also become very private since she has had kids and she is very protective of them. Tension and conflict resulting from the wide square from her moon/Mars/Jupiter stellium in Aries. She probably does not realize how SHE sabotages her relationships because in spite of being cancer rising, she actually loves a good fight.... AND very importantly, an exact square from Uranus in Libra to the Venusian ascendant give her a startling, jarring, unusual beauty, along with the unusual steps she has taken to "protect" herself against the risk of breast cancer (Cancer represents the breasts) by getting a preventative mastectomy. https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Angelina_Jolie IP: Logged |
Leo-Cancer98 Knowflake Posts: 1962 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Nov 2014
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posted July 10, 2023 10:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by Belage: Her birth Certificate is listed as 9:09am, according to the record on astrotheme - and I see no reason to believe it is inaccurate. Venusian cancer rising makes a lot of sense for her. A gaggle of children. She has also become very private since she has had kids and she is very protective of them. Tension and conflict resulting from the wide square from her moon/Mars/Jupiter stellium in Aries. She probably does not realize how SHE sabotages her relationships because in spite of being cancer rising, she actually loves a good fight.... AND very importantly, an exact square from Uranus in Libra to the Venusian ascendant give her a startling, jarring, unusual beauty, along with the unusual steps she has taken to "protect" herself against the risk of breast cancer (Cancer represents the breasts) by getting a preventative mastectomy. https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Angelina_Jolie
I have the same aspect as her, and I see myself doing the same thing when I have (hopefully) 6 kids. My own football team, haha. IP: Logged |
Librapurr Knowflake Posts: 2339 From: Registered: Jul 2019
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posted July 10, 2023 01:41 PM
She became like that with age. She appeared more Martian younger. She was provocative, more slutty and show off. Also, her appearance was very unusual and not curvy. Isn’t it supposed to be more curves for Cancer AC with Venus? She started to appear more normal/traditional after commitment to B.Pitt. And everybody like forgot who she was before. I don’t think AC is what we’re growing into.
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Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 5121 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 11, 2023 03:42 PM
I've done the work on her chart and there is zero chance she is a genuine Cancer rising personality. This is where my work departs from all 'appearances' based assessments of rising sign. The truth is mostly in the personalities. When studies are done with rising signs or Ascendants without first doing rigorous verification of the Asc degree, wrong conclusions can be reached about qualities associated with them.From the Arkana Dictionary of Astrology: quote:
birth - The human horoscope, around which the whole edifice of genethliacal astrological theory has been constructed, is usually a symbolic representation of the moment of birth. Inevitably, there is much argument as to precisely what is meant by 'birth', as several stages and processes are involved, each giving significantly different times. In fact, few serious astrologers will use a chart which has not been subjected to careful RECTIFICATION, so that argument as to precise time of birth is often irrrelevant. Rectification aside, however, most modern astrologers would time a birth (and cast an approximate chart) from either the severing of the umbilical cord, or from the first cry.
That said, Venus is still within about 4° of her Asc, so you are definitely seeing it with her. However, Neptune at 20.4°S makes a contra-parallel to her correct Asc at 19.6°N (2° Leo). The astrology I practice does not rely on non-astrological data (medical records) for conclusions and judgements. It is rigorous enough to make astrological determinations on astrological grounds. Think whatever you want about her, but if she were to consult with me I'd be using the 2° Leo chart without hesitation.
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Leo-Cancer98 Knowflake Posts: 1962 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Nov 2014
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posted July 12, 2023 12:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: I've done the work on her chart and there is [b]zero chance she is a genuine Cancer rising personality. This is where my work departs from all 'appearances' based assessments of rising sign. The truth is mostly in the personalities. When studies are done with rising signs or Ascendants without first doing rigorous verification of the Asc degree, wrong conclusions can be reached about qualities associated with them.From the Arkana Dictionary of Astrology: That said, Venus is still within about 4° of her Asc, so you are definitely seeing it with her. However, Neptune at 20.4°S makes a contra-parallel to her correct Asc at 19.6°N (2° Leo). The astrology I practice does not rely on non-astrological data (medical records) for conclusions and judgements. It is rigorous enough to make astrological determinations on astrological grounds. Think whatever you want about her, but if she were to consult with me I'd be using the 2° Leo chart without hesitation. [/B]
The third Decan of Cancer Rising is associated with Pisces, associated with the sea and fishes. Angelina adores swimming and water sports! Plus, Astro.com gave Angelina Jolie's birth time of 9:09 am a AA rating, and mentioned BC/BR; which means it is directly from her birth certificate. Her father Jon Voight was a prominent and successful actor in the 1960's and 1970's, so the documentation must be authentic. IP: Logged |
Leo-Cancer98 Knowflake Posts: 1962 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Nov 2014
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posted July 12, 2023 12:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by Librapurr: She became like that with age. She appeared more Martian younger. She was provocative, more slutty and show off. Also, her appearance was very unusual and not curvy. Isn’t it supposed to be more curves for Cancer AC with Venus? She started to appear more normal/traditional after commitment to B.Pitt. And everybody like forgot who she was before. I don’t think AC is what we’re growing into.
Nah, Blake Lively is a 3rd Decan Leo Rising. In order of the ones closest to her Ascending degree, Blake has Mars, Sun, Venus, Mercury & Moon in her 1st House. She’s straight skinny. Not anorexic, but just skinny. IP: Logged |
Leo-Cancer98 Knowflake Posts: 1962 From: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Registered: Nov 2014
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posted July 13, 2023 10:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: I've done the work on her chart and there is [b]zero chance she is a genuine Cancer rising personality. This is where my work departs from all 'appearances' based assessments of rising sign. The truth is mostly in the personalities. When studies are done with rising signs or Ascendants without first doing rigorous verification of the Asc degree, wrong conclusions can be reached about qualities associated with them.From the Arkana Dictionary of Astrology: That said, Venus is still within about 4° of her Asc, so you are definitely seeing it with her. However, Neptune at 20.4°S makes a contra-parallel to her correct Asc at 19.6°N (2° Leo). The astrology I practice does not rely on non-astrological data (medical records) for conclusions and judgements. It is rigorous enough to make astrological determinations on astrological grounds. Think whatever you want about her, but if she were to consult with me I'd be using the 2° Leo chart without hesitation. [/B]
Angelina's Venus period began in September 1995. In 2003, when Cancer Jupiter was in Angelina's 1st house, and over her Cancer Venus, she met Brad Pitt on the set of Mr & Mrs. Smith. She had her Venus-Rahu period between November 22nd 2002 and November 2005, the same (Venus-Rahu) period Steve Jobs met and married his wife, Laura. Within her Venus period, she had the sub-period of the North Node. IP: Logged |
PlutoWasHere Knowflake Posts: 1029 From: The Nether World Registered: Mar 2021
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posted July 18, 2023 07:57 AM
I don’t know about her Rising personality but I feel her choice in partners is more Aquarius than Capricorn. She is definitely more into quirky, intellectual and most of all provocative relationships. She has her natal Venus square Uranus, but I would still expect some kind of traditional flavor with a Capricorn descendant. IP: Logged |
LovelyAries86 Knowflake Posts: 3084 From: Shimmering Moon Registered: Dec 2012
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posted July 19, 2023 03:24 AM
Angelina looks like a hybrid of a toned & gorgeous feline (Leo) with watery Cancerian eyes & lips. 💋 So it's fascinating to discuss! There is a case to be made for both. But I personally feel she is a Leo Rising. ☀️ She's not very curvy. Venus at play tho. And I agree that her partners (7H) have mostly exhibited more Aquarian qualities over Capricorn. I love seeing the balance of the extreme Yin AND Yang in Angelina! 🔥 Being a fellow Aries-Cancer influenced person, I can somewhat relate with her. IP: Logged |
SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 747 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 19, 2023 11:32 AM
I think on a surface level she comes off very different than how she is on a deeper level. IP: Logged |
SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 747 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 19, 2023 11:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
But I personally feel she is a Leo Rising. ☀️ She's not very curvy. Venus at play tho. And I agree that her partners (7H) have mostly exhibited more Aquarian qualities over Capricorn.
Hi Lovely long time nice seeing you here 😊 Angelina’s slim figure might also come from her Gemini side since Gemini’s tend to be kinda slim i have noticed. IP: Logged |
LovelyAries86 Knowflake Posts: 3084 From: Shimmering Moon Registered: Dec 2012
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posted August 20, 2023 03:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by SleepyDiary: Hi Lovely long time nice seeing you here 😊 Angelina’s slim figure might also come from her Gemini side since Gemini’s tend to be kinda slim i have noticed.
Hey Girlie! 👠 I actually thought of you not too long ago. Figured you probably needed a break. How you been? As for Angelina - her being a Gemini is definitely a factor in her shape. To me, her face gives LIONESS overall. 🔥 With an added lusciousness from her Cancer Venus being conjunct her ASC. But again, I can see it going either way. IP: Logged |
SleepyDiary Knowflake Posts: 747 From: Registered: Apr 2017
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posted August 20, 2023 05:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by LovelyAries86: Hey Girlie! 👠 I actually thought of you not too long ago. Figured you probably needed a break. How you been? As for Angelina - her being a Gemini is definitely a factor in her shape. To me, her face gives LIONESS overall. 🔥 With an added lusciousness from her Cancer Venus being conjunct her ASC. But again, I can see it going either way.
I have thought about you too and was wondering where you were haha 😊 Yes i needed a break i’ve been busy a lot this year. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 178347 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 09, 2023 04:26 PM
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Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 10463 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted September 10, 2023 01:32 AM
It's interesting because I have never questioned her Asc.🤔With whole sign,Saturn would be in house 1. That to me would explain her "dark" and "forbidding" persona. This too her often lean frame. There is something very similar between her and Megan Fox(Asc in Cap). I also notice that she (Angie)likes wearing black, silver, off-white, metallic etc. And her makeup is also steered towards darker shades of colours with her hair almost always black. Cap Asc /Sat ruled people often look good when they stick to black or basic colours. Nothing too ostentatious or colourful. Monica Bellucci has Cap Asc. Same thing applies to her and her love of black. She very seldom steers away from that colour. Silver, metallic etc. Are also her other colours. I was going to also mention Catherine Zeta Jones. But (according to Astro.com) she is Sag Asc.And I really could have sworn she would be Cap Asc too. Anywho, I wonder if the Saturn/Ven/Mars grand trine is enough to explain Catherine's love of the same colours listed above? Because I see striking similarities between her and the Saturn ruled women listed. I notice that Cap Asc females relish in playing the "b***h" or the boss. They don't do the "damsel in distress " thing well. Most times they have this very stern "NO nonsense " resting b*** face about them. I include Sophia Lauren here (Cap Asc). Angie has mentioned being estranged from her Father and not having a great relationship with him. Sun in Gemini would be in 12th house. The Sun ruling the 2nd house in 12th house(to me) also explains why her "home"(2nd) would be the world(12th). Jupiter-Moon would reiterate this too (I think). Sun in 12th may seem odd for Angelina-seeing that she is such a "bold" personality, Sun in 12th does not fit. But i say the "boldness" is from the stellium in 10th Aries. I think many of us dont really know the "real" Angie. We just think we do because of that 10th house action. But we don't. The Jup/Sat transit interplay during the 1st marriage, is interesting. Notice that in her 1st marriage, Jup 15 Cap was opp her Sat 17Can in whole sign house 1? Trans Sat 28Pis was arching to enter her whole sign 10th house Aries at the same time. Then when she got divorced, it was swopped around. Transiting Jupiter was now at 27 Pisces (arching to enter the 10th house Aries) and transiting Saturn in Aries 18 was squaring her natal Saturn in Cancer 17. Her marriage to Brad on 23rd August 2014 had trans Sat trine her natal Saturn in house 1. Transiting Uranus squaring her natal Saturn in whole sign house 1. Jupiter in Leo was trine her 10th house planets. So this marriage had a different , eccentric flavour and felt easy. The divorce was a shock to me. But then again,Angelina does have Ura squaring Ven in house 1. She changes her mind quickly or can act "off the cuff" within relationships. She wasted very little time in filing for a divorce from Pitt. And even he (Brad) was caught offguard and initially said "She's just being dramatic". Angie had her stellium in Aries and Saturn in whole sign house 1 triggered by Retrograde Pluto @15 Degree Cap. It was square her Moon/Jup and opposed her natal Saturn from whole sign house 7. Did she act impulsively? I think so. She does do that and acts in an effort to self preserve.One can tell this from the string of her marriages. She seldom consults the partner. The divorces are self initiated (Moon Aries). I know she and Brad are officially divorced. But i strongly suspect that with Uranus/Venus, she and Brad do get intimate from time to time. The Uranus nature is "open-ended". So they may have "broken up officially " I.e. the binds of societally conscious Sat are done. But that's when Uranus works underneath I.e. a relationship that not a relationship. Two people who do what couples do. But are not a couple. And are free to pursue others. Uranus would like that set-up. I would be genuinely surprised *once again* if either of them tied the knot again. I think from here on, they are "bound" to each other (married or not). IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 10463 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted September 10, 2023 01:34 AM
Venus conj Asc could have her be sensually charged. I see that as the reason why (when she first popped into the scene) most people commented on her sex appeal-owing to her thick lips which often can give the illusion of a full face.On the promo posters for "Gone in 60 seconds" they would accentuate her lips a lot. Às was the case in "Tomb Raider". So guess which sign(Venus affiliated) has a fullness of lips?Taurus. And Venus in 1st can give a somewhat Tau energy. She talks with a deliberate energy in her interviews(not the math is energy of Gemini Sun that you'd expect). And (granted )that could also be Saturn in whole house 1. Giving her that authority over the audience and appearing serious. I actually see this similar sensuality /but take me seriously, also present in another starlet I.e. Scarlett Johansen. And she does not have Ven in house 1. But ruler of the Asc(Jup) conj Venus in Saturn ruled Cap. But her appeal is not so "in your face". Perhaps also because of the wide Neptune conj to Ven/Jup? Or Sun/Moon conj affecting whole sign house 1? But it doesn't say "danger" as Angies does. But Scarlett also has a wide conj from Saturn to Sun. Sun is on whole sign house 1. That's where the "take me serious" actress chops come from. She is not above using her sensual looks. But she will not play "damsel in distress" either. Unlike Moon/Sun affecting whole sign house 1,Angie is NOT as "round" as Scarlett's. Her body is actually lean and(on some occassion)close to skeletal. That could be that Saturn in Cancer in house 1. Her Moon/Mars/Jup on the 10th would be her reputation and what we see. I don't necessarily call her "controversial", she has mellowed with age. But there was a time where she was a little "off". The Moon/Mars can be very protective. So my thinking is that it can manifest as being a passionate (Mars) Mom(Moon)? Or passionate about care-centred causes? But I also see it displayed in the roles that she takes. She avoids being the "girl next door". She likes being the "edgy" (Mars)woman (Moon)who has bite. Even on "KungFoo Panda ",she played the tough "Tigress".🤷🏿♂️
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Amoranthaniela Knowflake Posts: 357 From: europe Registered: Dec 2020
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posted September 10, 2023 07:05 AM
My own sibling has a chart similar to Angelina - cancer rising 29 degrees, Gem sun in 11th, Venus in cancer 12th house, fire moon in a fire house (sagi instead of Aries ), same MC/IC, many other same planets in the same houses etc... She has enjoyed combat, martial arts, she loves action movies, she has collected weapons and liked training with them, and at the same time she is very maternal and good with kids. She was quite brazen when she was younger.
I think it's quite easy for Angelina to have a cancer rising, and not only that but she has her Mars in Aries conjunct her moon so that would make her extra assertive and interested in action. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 178347 From: I hold a Juris Doctorate (J.D.) and a Legum Magister (LL.M.)! Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2023 09:43 AM
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Hemilla Knowflake Posts: 828 From: State of mind Registered: May 2015
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posted October 14, 2023 07:25 AM
My sister has big ryes and lips like Angelina and is gemini sun leo rising. But angelina has similar skinny big boob body type like my friend who is cancer rising so i think big lips and fresh face are rather gemini and body is cancerIP: Logged |