posted July 20, 2023 04:26 PM            

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@Aries23Degrees, if he’s to be a true role model then he needs to get in touch with his own emotional experiences. Scorpio is also the sign of the therapist. Now he’s just catering to his audience. He sells them the stories they want to hear. It’s all marketing, it lacks authenticity. Growth requires him to go to the core of his pain and use that in a constructive way to help others. He has to let his mask down and that would make him vulnerable. That’s a very big leap for him too take. We’ll have to wait and see if Saturn can teach him.

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posted July 20, 2023 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

I could care less about "Liberals" or "Conservatives". These people are at work and only publicly disagree whereas (in private) they have drinks with each other and attend each other's weddings. To them, it's not that deep. And I realized that I was making it too deep in the past.

You can speak the truth without being offensive. It's a skill. But not many take time to develop that. This especially if they are "hot headed" and believe their opinion is "insightful" (whilst it is badly undercooked).

Until Andrew Tate learns to be genuinely concerned about young boys transitioning to value men. And not just publicly talking a wild, overarching theory on how "Real men" ought to be - whilst smoking a cigar and talking about Lamborghinis. Then calling himself "King". I call bull***.

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We're on the same page about these Politicians then. 👍 NONE of them give a damn about us. I had noticed that you only called out the Conservative Talking Heads though, so that's why I mentioned it.

Being "offensive" is completely subjective in many ways. Therefore, there's *always* going to be the possibility of your offending someone just by you being yourself, by you having core beliefs, by you even breathing. For instance - me identifying as the Biological Woman that I am and refusing to label myself as "CIS" is offensive to certain people. I'm supposed to police what I refer to myself as so that someone's "feelings" don't get hurt? NO, I think not. 💅🏾 Some people today *are* operating like this and calling it "love" and "inclusion" when it is FAR from that.

You are absolutely right that Truth can be an "aha" moment. And I agree that Truth should enlighten. 💯 But unfortunately, sometimes the Truth DOES hurt. Does it have to be malicious? NO. Does it have to degrade people? NO. Of course not. But you DO NOT have to coddle people or deny reality in order to deliver said truth to them either. Your average person today is *running* from the truth like Usain Bolt and then crying about how screwed up their life is! 🤣 Like WTF.

It's inaccurate that teens boys are the ONLY people that agree with him, Aries23. They were indeed his core audience at first, yes. But as Andrew redefined his image and went on to do more long-form interviews with more reputable people, his reach GREW. 💯 I didn't know who TF that dude was until last year! So understand that many grown men AND women from ALL walks of life agree with parts of his message about our society today. And they aren't bad people. But if it makes you feel better to assume otherwise, have at it.

I can handle a little bit of cockiness in a man as long as he strikes the right balance and is a good person at heart. 🌟 I would never condone dating a man who cruelly bullied or roasted people the way you claim you did back in High School. I'm glad you grew out of that! Good to hear. Sagittarius (and Aries) can truly be a handful when unevolved.

You think I'm turned-on by Andrew smoking a cigar next to his Lamborghini?? Uhh no. It's corny AF. 🤣 It's entertainment to me, as I said at the beginning.

I appreciate his backbone though.

From the start - I said that dude is insecure, sneaky and has a God Complex. 💯 I also shared the things that I *did* like about him as well based on what I had witnessed of him prior to seeing the (1st) video that I added to my OP. I was taking an objective look at him and going from there. Nothing more, nothing less.

posted July 20, 2023 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
@Aries23Degrees, if he’s to be a true role model then he needs to get in touch with his own emotional experiences. Scorpio is also the sign of the therapist. Now he’s just catering to his audience. He sells them the stories they want to hear. It’s all marketing, it lacks authenticity. Growth requires him to go to the core of his pain and use that in a constructive way to help others. He has to let his mask down and that would make him vulnerable. That’s a very big leap for him too take. We’ll have to wait and see if Saturn can teach him.

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He definitely has some DEEP childhood wounds. 💯 I believe his father taught him a lot of highly toxic things about women. He likely learned about "pimping" a woman's mind to some degree from him. Andrew always talks about how his father was a Chess Player who knew how to stay several steps ahead at ALL times.

posted July 20, 2023 10:59 PM            

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emory_Tate

Emory Tate started teaching chess to kids through community education in 1993. In 1993, Andrew Tate would have been 7-years old.

From reading chess club forums it looks like Andrew's dad was very active in teaching scholastic chess.
I would imagine a good portion of the Tate family's weekends were spent at chess lessons and tournaments.

Like eat, breathe and sleep chess while growing-up level of involvement...

Emory Tate has more than one memorial chess tournament named after him...

https://www.365chess.com/players/Emory_Tate

https://new.uschess.org/2023-emory-tate-prize-american-scholastic-chess

Chess rumors swirling say Andrew Tate was just an average chess player.

Perhaps instead of using game pieces, Andrew Tate tried his hand at manipulating people like pawn pieces on a chess board?

posted July 21, 2023 04:17 AM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:
He definitely has some DEEP childhood wounds. 💯 I believe his father taught him a lot of highly toxic things about women. He likely learned about "pimping" a woman's mind to some degree from him. Andrew always talks about how his father was a Chess Player who knew how to stay several steps ahead at ALL times.

So I could see it.

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His father, Emory Tate, was discharged from the air force and there was apparently a suspicion of a personality disorder. Andrew has mentioned narcissism when talking about his father. Narcissists often view their children as an extension of their own ego and impose high standards on their children. I can imagine that Andrew couldn’t live up to those standards and experienced a lot of emotional and maybe even physical abuse.

His father had Cancer Moon (in its shadow can be highly manipulative and moody) and Taurus Mars square Leo Uranus (a possible indicator of unexpected violent outbursts).

posted July 21, 2023 05:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Indeed. Indeed🙌🏿. That's what I am saying. Thank you. It's not real. What he is about is not real. And for people to admire it and think it "great", makes him want to do it more. All for clout. All for publicity . NOTHING authentic there.❤

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I already suspected we were on the same page here.😁

Andrew Tate’s thinking is problematic. External validation is very seductive, but it’s a short term high. You start craving it more and more if you don’t have any internal support for your ego. That’s how narcissism works. Narcissists are deeply insecure people that seek value outside because they can’t provide it for themselves. There is always a need to compare yourself to others. To elevate yourself and to put others down. It’s deeply flawed thinking and incredibly toxic for the people around them. And it seems to be ridiculously common. There are expert estimates that 5% of the population has a narcissistic personality disorder, that’s 1 in 20 people.

posted July 21, 2023 06:05 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Eh, never mind. Edited.

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I saw your reply. I just didn't have time to respond to it at that moment.

posted July 21, 2023 07:22 AM            

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Originally posted by HRH-FishAreFish:
Andrew Tate's dad didn't just play chess, he was an international chess master.

Perhaps instead of using game pieces, Andrew Tate tried his hand at manipulating people like pawn pieces on a chess board?

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Sounds like it to me. Highly manipulative indeed.

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
His father, Emory Tate, was discharged from the air force and there was apparently a suspicion of a personality disorder. Andrew has mentioned narcissism when talking about his father.

His father had Cancer Moon (in its shadow can be highly manipulative and moody) and Taurus Mars square Leo Uranus (a possible indicator of unexpected violent outbursts).

https://allfamous.org/astrology/emory-tate-19581227.html

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Yep. It seems it all began with his father - a raging Narcissist. 💯 I know his upbringing couldn't have been easy.

Emory was a Capricorn Sun in addition to being a Cancer Moon. So he likely imposed harsh & high standards ON TOP OF being insanely emotionally manipulative. What a mess!

I've known (2) Cap girls with this same combo. They both had a split personality. First one angrily lashed out at me and had an emotional breakdown over me just expressing my boundary to her. She played victim when she was actually the entitled perpetrator. And she came across so sweet previously, so it was nuts! 🤷🏾‍♀️ Needless to say, I cut off all contact with her.

The second Cap is a girl I barely knew from a handful of interactions in a FB group. We got along okay at first until she realized that we shared different perspectives on a few topics. I was unfazed, as I allow people to be who they are. 👍 Her on the other hand? Needed you to be *exactly* like her to feel secure. So she decided to be a "Mean Girl" and rudely, needlessly initiate an attack on me one day. And so in true Arian Fashion, I surely responded in kind to her. 🔥 Long story short - she blocked me. I didn't care. A crazy event happened later that briefly reconnected us. She then shared with me that she "cried in her car for an hour" after I said what I said to her last year. I was honestly thinking - how are you this impacted by what a practical stranger said to you on the internet? And in response to you wrongfully attacking them first? 🤷🏾‍♀️ So she's rather fragile underneath her tough exterior.

^^So again. If this was Andrew's life x10 with his father - couldn't have been fun.

*FYI guys - Andrew was born on 12/01/86. Not on December 14th under a Gemini Moon.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tate

Sagittarius Moon is perfectly fitting for him. 💯 Sag Moons have large expansive mood swings - high highs and low lows. Can have a grandiose sense of self. Big, bright energy. They live for philosophical discussions! They can have wildly scary outbursts. Donald Trump and Naomi Campbell share this Moon Sign with him, which says a lot.

posted July 21, 2023 02:03 PM            

Generally, I don’t know about Tate much to say if he is really guilty. And I don’t feel like to dig into it today. He doesn’t provoke a strong reaction in me as he seems to affect many other people.

posted July 22, 2023 10:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:
LovelyAries86, maybe not really firestarters, but who aren’t afraid to express polarized or unpopular opinion. I also can find it entertaining.
Ok, firestarters with purpose as you said.
Rising could be between Virgo and Scorpio. I would attribute it to aspects with Uranus and Jupiter.

Generally, I don’t know about Tate much to say if he is really guilty. And I don’t feel like to dig into it today. He doesn’t provoke a strong reaction in me as he seems to affect many other people.

Also, I find interesting you said Libra mars could be afraid of "divisive" or polarizing ideas, people. Because that what I thought and noticed from personal experience, but it could be something more as the other Libra Mars wasn’t like that.

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It's interesting with Libran Energy. Cause they absolutely DO want peace. But they also like a good debate at the *same* time. Sometimes they can get more than what they bargained for though! It all depends.

In my experience, Libra Venus people aren't all that sweet or diplomatic at all. They are charming and often attractive though. 👠

Libra Moons often give refined, elegant energy. 🍷 Great intellectuals. They (like Libra Mars) can be the insanely popular Hero one day... and the shunned Villain who obsesses over being the Devil's Advocate the next day! Which can really upset them. They (along w/ Libra Suns) are the most likely Libra placement to hate being Single and potentially settle for the wrong person.

Libra ASC doesn't obsess over being "liked" by others. Most people just naturally like us all on their own. We *do* put effort into our presentation though! 💯 We absolutely *do* believe in fairness & kindness. But lest we forget... our DSC is in ARIES. So we will go from sweet to sour on you like those damn Sour Patch Kids if you do too much! 🤣 This quality is amplified for me, as I'm an Aries Sun. If we (Libra ASC) feel something is out of balance, we will likely stick up for the Underdog. Some of us are evolved, some of us are not.

posted July 23, 2023 05:53 AM            

One of the things that I take away from each book I read is that it is not so important to focus on WHAT is said, then to pay attention to HOW it is said☝🏿.

This is not "vlcoddling". In as much as the extreme of that is being "sassy". How you say something can have an effect on what others take from it.

NOTHING about what Andrew Tate says is new. However, his "sassy" approach to it, is what gets clicks.

Message : Men must develop the self confidence ,self belief and skills necessary to navigate the world in which they live. They will find that in so doing, they will not only see themselves as valuable. But will also be worthwhile companions and partners for their mates.

Andrew : " If you can't change a tyre, You are not a real man. No woman wants to be with a b*** ass man who doesn't know how to do that. Dude! Grow some f**n balls. Handle that isht yourself. Stop calling for car services to do that."

Message: Society will forever need boys and young men to understand what it means to be a man. To never accept defeat.To have the courage to withstand life's twists and turns.Not only so they can be able to feel more comfortable in their own skin.But also become pillars of strength and tolerance that encourage others into coming onto their own power.

Andrew: Dude! Don't f**n tell me you are depressed. Go lift weights,do push-ups,bang a chick. Don't be f****n corny ass b*** whose always whining and crying about how bad their life is. F**n get over that sh**t etc.

Well....You get the idea. The latter words said by Andrew have a lot of sass. That's what those teen boys and "Adults" find appealing. This becuase they sound so "badass".

But the difference between the message and what Andrew says,is that the message doesn't offend.It speaks to all.

What Andrew's message does( and perhaps also known to him) IS offend. When reading his message,one asks themselves "So if I am depressed. I am not a real man?". Then others who hear it say "Depression is for losers" and thus antagonize men who share their depression as "weak" etc.

We have boys and men committing suicide. So the message that those Andrew minions will take from his teachings is, those men were "weak". That is what I find problematic.

The message and intent of it is not to "coddle". But the "truth" Andrew speaks is emotive and aggressive in tone. It cannot help BUT offend. Its not truth. But perspective mistaken for truth. Therein lies the rub☝🏿

Granted you(and a host of other people) don't like the way the message is written. Maybe its too "soft" for your ears? Less "sexy"? You need something more inflammatory or vivacious? I guess thats allowed too.

But the problem with the latter is that it causes divisions. ALL men (icluding Tate) were once boys who needed the message without the sass. The encouragement towards their own realization.

And Tate(at some point) had that. He may not be open to share it. But I doubt his most effective teachers said half the things he says.

He grew up with a Cancer Moon father (I empathize). Cancer Moon (at worst)can be very emotionally insecure person to deal with. Very selfish. And so if that's where his same sex "nurturing" is based off of, I get where he is coming from . I get it.

What his life experience from that upbringing taught him, was to be tough and mask vulnerability. To fight to survive and not give a f***k.

But that environment was not ideal. And the person he is now is someone who was able to survive all that. True. But it doesn't mean that his path is the path to take. He was in "survival mode" thinking. Still is(Mercury in Sco)imo.

We often talk of "post traumatic stress" in army soldiers.And how that can negatively impact the environment those soldiers re-align with.

Survival mode is not good for the family construct.Teaching paranoia and crisis related reactions (which are often extreme) is not conducive for children and young adults to grow up in.If so, we would have army personnel in maternity wards. Ready to greet a baby boy with a gun salute. Instill a sense of crisis in them very early on🤷🏿‍♂️

I exaggerate above ofcourse 🤣. But I am always weary of society taking people from a challenged background( whom have wounds that still reflect that challenging background), calling them "role models",giving them a microphone, allowing them access to impressionable children/ Adults.Then sitting back and saying "It all makes for great entertainment. Right? Freedom of speech?"🤷🏿‍♂️

posted July 23, 2023 07:47 AM            

I had a difficult childhood myself so I know the value of survival mode. I know its downside as well. I’m still struggling with boundaries and accessing my emotions in a healthy way. We are not machines and we shouldn’t strive to be a machine either. It’s important to find a healthy balance and to love and respect ourselves enough to realize when we need to recharge.

posted July 23, 2023 10:33 AM            

Earlier in the year, I listened to a podcast where two women were talking about one’s boyfriend, and how kind he was. They’re in their twenties, and she said she’s going to marry him, that she’s really happy. He’s really thoughtful, and she wasn’t used to that, so she felt undeserving at first.

posted July 23, 2023 04:34 PM            

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…Since Ben Shapiro was mentioned here : he decided to set fire to Barbies, this weekend. Is that how a “real man” is supposed to spend his free time?

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Setting fire to Barbies? That’s a silly way to show your frustration. Now I really want to see the Barbie movie.

posted July 23, 2023 08:53 PM            

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I do not agree with plenty of things he says but I find him to be an extremely good motivator. I also have an exact conjunction between Sun and Saturn, Saturn also conjuncts my Venus, Mercury as well as trining the Moon, so maybe this whole " discipline and hard work" shet he says clicks very well in my head. Every time I am feeling lazy I just watch/listen to Andrew Tate, David Goggins(whose Sun conjuncts mine), Michael Jordan(whose Sun conjuncts mine, he also has the Sun conjunct Saturn) and Kobe Bryant(who also has Sun conjunct Saturn) and I'm back to work.

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Apparently, you're an "adult" who likes too much "sass" and something is very, very wrong with you for thinking this way in any capacity.

posted July 23, 2023 11:03 PM            

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NOTHING about what Andrew Tate says is new. However, his "sassy" approach to it, is what gets clicks.

Message : Men must develop the self confidence ,self belief and skills necessary to navigate the world in which they live. They will find that in so doing, they will not only see themselves as valuable. But will also be worthwhile companions and partners for their mates.

Andrew : " If you can't change a tyre, You are not a real man. No woman wants to be with a b*** ass man who doesn't know how to do that. Dude! Grow some f**n balls. Handle that isht yourself. Stop calling for car services to do that."

Message: Society will forever need boys and young men to understand what it means to be a man. To never accept defeat.To have the courage to withstand  life's twists and turns.Not only so they can be able to feel more comfortable in their own skin.But also become pillars of strength  and tolerance  that encourage others into coming onto their own power.

Andrew: Dude! Don't f**n tell me you are depressed. Go lift weights,do push-ups,bang a chick. Don't be f****n corny ass b*** whose always whining and crying about how bad their life is. F**n get over that sh**t etc.

Well....You get the idea. The latter words said by Andrew have a lot of sass. That's what those teen boys and "Adults" find appealing. This becuase they sound so "badass".

But the difference between the massage and what Andrew says,is that the message doesn't offend.It speaks to all.

The message and intent of it is not to "coddle". But the "truth" Andrew speaks is emotive and aggressive in tone. It cannot help BUT offend. Its not truth. But perspective mistaken for truth. Therein lies the rub☝🏿

Granted you(and a host of other people) don't like the way the message is written. Maybe its too "soft" for your ears. Less "sexy". You need something more inflammatory or vivacious? I guess thats allowed too.

But the problem with the latter is that it causes divisions.  ALL men (icluding Tate) were once boys who needed the massage without the sass. The encouragement towards their own realization. 

I exaggerate above ofcourse 🤣.  But I am always weary of society taking people from a challenged background( whom have wounds that still reflect that challenging background), calling them "role models",giving them a microphone, allowing them access to impressionable  children/ Adults.Then sitting back and saying "It all makes for great entertainment. Right? Freedom of speech?"🤷🏿‍♂️

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You're making false assumptions. I believe in balance. I take no issue with the way you articulated your "messages" above for men. It's the ideal way to get one's point across. 👍 What you don't seem to understand is that there is a time and a place for "sass" with many people as well. Maybe not for you, but everyone isn't you. And you are NO better (or worse) of a person because you prefer a softer approach. And it's arrogant to believe otherwise. 

For instance, some people like being aggressively shouted at Boot Camp style while they workout. 💪 While some prefer to be trained in a softer, laid-back fashion. And others just prefer to workout alone doing whatever they feel. 

Some people love wild & rough sex. Some people love gentle lovemaking. 💋 And many people enjoy a combination of BOTH depending upon their mood. It's going to vary person to person! 

There are very few things that speak to ALL people. It's a lovely belief to have - that you can appeal to everyone - but it's just not true. You can be as sweet as Apple Pie, deliver a message politely, with all of the good intentions in the world… and there will *still* be some people who HATE your guts or HATE what you stand for. 💯 Period. So what's your next move then? What is the purpose of trying to make *everyone* approve of *everything* that you say? To me, this mindset is a set-up for failure. And it's contributing to people's lack of happiness and/or confidence in themselves today. 

Men are tired of pretending to be something that they are not in order to appease the insecurity of others. THAT is what's making them depressed! Women are just as depressed because they keep allowing their decisions to be led by fear & trauma. NONE of this is healthy. And it damn sure isn't societal progress. It's a mess. 

^^This is what lead to the rise of Andrew Tate. Jordan Peterson. And others. 

Do you take issue with the influencers who view Masculinity at large as toxic? Who scream how much they HATE men from the rooftops every five minutes? Moms who turn their sons into their "emotional husbands" and allow them to live in their basements at the age of 30? How about the trans women who hate actual women and openly express their strange & competitive disdain for us? Do THESE people deserve to have a microphone?? 🤔 

^^They have wounds. They come from challenged backgrounds. They have NO business being role models. Just like Andrew Tate right? So what exactly is the difference for you? Because I don't see one. 

I'm absolutely IN FAVOR of our Freedom of Speech. 🌟 As long as it's not encouraging violence or cruelty, we are FREE to express ourselves. And turn off what doesn't resonate. Aries23 I don't agree with your stance on several things but I *fully* support you speaking out on what matters to you. And the individuals who feel that they have the right to speak their peace *while* trying to silence others from speaking theirs - are phony, hypocritical, demonic Tyrants. Same when trying to invlove kids! No matter what side of the isle you fall on. 

I absolutely agree that Andrew should face the hard consequences of his actions if he human-trafficked these women. 💯 Dude has some seriously deep flaws! But I definitely disagree that he deserves to be vilified because he curses, won't cater to people's feelings and owns a Lamborghini. 

posted July 24, 2023 12:58 AM            

I haven't decided anything for anyone. We all decide the individual paths that we wish to take while here on Earth. I'm not in charge of your life or anyone else's. Nor is anyone in charge of mine.

posted July 24, 2023 07:14 AM            

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Survival mode is very good for getting you through a difficult time but it’s not long term sustainable. It pushes your needs aside to keep going. But you need a sense of safety and you need to nurture yourself at a certain point. If survival mode becomes a long term strategy it causes a disconnect from your inner self and that causes great harm. It causes self hate. It’s no secret that suicide rates are highest among men.

I had a difficult childhood myself so I know the value of survival mode. I know its downside as well. I’m still struggling with boundaries and accessing my emotions in a healthy way. We are not machines and we shouldn’t strive to be a machine either. It’s important to find a healthy balance and to love and respect ourselves enough to realize when we need to recharge.

I agree with you, Aries23Degrees, Andrew Tate is stuck in survival mode. A very Scorpio style mindset. The lowest expression of that energy. There are 3 stages: the Scorpion, the Eagle and the Phoenix. Scorpio placements need to move beyond their survival instinct and incorporate traumatic experiences as wisdom before they can become true teachers.

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Yes 🙌🏿👌🏿

posted July 24, 2023 07:26 AM            

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Aries23: he reminds me of a more extreme version of the pick-up artists that were everywhere, around 2008-2010. There are message boards out there, full of guys wanting to know what to do, and I remember seeing complaints from guys who *were* successful. They went from resenting girls for not sleeping with them, to resenting girls because they *did* sleep with them, and did it too easily. So, the girls couldn’t win either way.

Earlier in the year, I listened to a podcast where two women were talking about one’s boyfriend, and how kind he was. They’re in their twenties, and she said she’s going to marry him, that she’s really happy. He’s really thoughtful, and she wasn’t used to that, so she felt undeserving at first.

Since Ben Shapiro was mentioned here : he decided to set fire to Barbies, this weekend. Is that how a “real man” is supposed to spend his free time?

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Yes. A lot of females often say that they are not attracted to "good guys" because of their background I.e. you will find their Father(often a major influence of what they perceive as "masculine") was a tyrant.

So they assume "masculine" = tyrant. OR they had boyfriends treating them badly. Again, they'll assume bad treatment by a man=love etc. So they think that guys who treat them well or are not that toxic, are "suckers".

My sister has a guy friend that was dating this girl who dumped him for a "tough ryder". The latter dude beat the girl to such an extent that she came running back to the guy friend in question. Asking to be taken back.

Luckily the guy didn't. And just encouraged the girl to involve law enforcement to deal with the abusive ex partner.

And thats just it. Some people chase drama. Then when it's around them,they cry and act victimized. I don't get it. Perhaps she liked the adrenaline rush of the "bad boy". But when turned on her,it's not so sexy after all🤷🏿‍♂️.

I think it takes conscious awareness for one to acknowledge that they weren't in the capacity yo receive love. This based off of their perceived "underservedness" of the latter. Because (in many instances) I think that that is what it is.

With regards to Ben, he just annoys me. But again,there are those who think him "profound". Once again, different strokes.

I can't hate on the guy too much.He is merely doing his job and following a script. We all beed to get paid 🤷🏿‍♂️ And with that "burning Barbie" incident, someone is putting in serious overtime. And will be compensated for it☝🏿

posted July 25, 2023 12:28 PM            

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It's interesting with Libran Energy. Cause they absolutely DO want peace. But they also like a good debate at the *same* time. Sometimes they can get more than what they bargained for though! It all depends.

In my experience, Libra Venus people aren't all that sweet or diplomatic at all. They are charming and often attractive though. 👠

Libra Moons often give refined, elegant energy. 🍷 Great intellectuals. They (like Libra Mars) can be the insanely popular Hero one day... and the shunned Villain who obsesses over being the Devil's Advocate the next day! Which can really upset them. They (along w/ Libra Suns) are the most likely Libra placement to hate being Single and potentially settle for the wrong person.

Libra ASC doesn't obsess over being "liked" by others. Most people just naturally like us all on their own. We *do* put effort into our presentation though! 💯 We absolutely *do* believe in fairness & kindness. But lest we forget... our DSC is in ARIES. So we will go from sweet to sour on you like those damn Sour Patch Kids if you do too much! 🤣 This quality is amplified for me, as I'm an Aries Sun. If we (Libra ASC) feel something is out of balance, we will likely stick up for the Underdog. Some of us are evolved, some of us are not.

I honestly think women with Libra placements are more likely to be attracted to 🔥 Firestarters 🔥 than men with Libra Energy are. Maybe I'll make a separate post on this? About women who are primarily into men who possess Rebel/Warrior, King or even Hero Energy over the Peacemaker types.

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I think I outgrew desire to be likable. This need is still around, but it’s more like a problem for me and I try to get more comfortable with that I’m not everybody’s cup of tea.
I’ve always had feeling like people wouldn’t be able to get me what probably was helpful in a way not looking for an approval of my every action. My Libra isn’t afflicted so it’s probably due to Pluto in 1st.
I like to exercise my own will-power once in a while.

I notice with Libra that many of them need some type of relationships, but have things for freedom as Air. I met couple older Libra women who ended up divorced and socializing with friends and family.
I think Libra guys have more softness and flakiness. Strangely, I know how to make a deal with Aries better than Libra lol

I don’t really remember that Fire-starter figure in the real life.
Hm, maybe, my tough dean for one program was more close to it. The graduated adults tried to hide when his figure appeared in the background. That man could intimidate and motivate in the same time. He was feared, but very respected.
I met guys who try to start fire with me for some reasons. But I wanted men who would fight for me, not with me.
However, guys who would be afraid of controversy and disagreements wouldn’t work with me. I need men to possess some inner strength.

posted July 25, 2023 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by LovelyAries86:

You're making false assumptions. I believe in balance. I take no issue with the way you articulated your "messages" above for men. It's the ideal way to get one's point across. 👍 What you don't seem to understand is that there is a time and a place for "sass" with many people as well. Maybe not for you, but everyone isn't you. And you are NO better (or worse) of a person because you prefer a softer approach. And it's arrogant to believe otherwise. 

For instance, some people like being aggressively shouted at Boot Camp style while they workout. 💪 While some prefer to be trained in a softer, laid-back fashion. And others just prefer to workout alone doing whatever they feel. 

Some people love wild & rough sex. Some people love gentle lovemaking. 💋 And many people enjoy a combination of BOTH depending upon their mood. It's going to vary person to person! 

There are very few things that speak to ALL people. It's a lovely belief to have - that you can appeal to everyone - but it's just not true. You can be as sweet as Apple Pie, deliver a message politely, with all of the good intentions in the world… and there will *still* be some people who HATE your guts or HATE what you stand for. 💯 Period. So what's your next move then? What is the purpose of trying to make *everyone* approve of *everything* that you say? To me, this mindset is a set-up for failure. And it's contributing to people's lack of happiness and/or confidence in themselves today. 

Men are tired of pretending to be something that they are not in order to appease the insecurity of others. THAT is what's making them depressed! Women are just as depressed because they keep allowing their decisions to be led by fear & trauma. NONE of this is healthy. And it damn sure isn't societal progress. It's a mess. 

^^This is what lead to the rise of Andrew Tate. Jordan Peterson. And others. 

Do you take issue with the influencers who view Masculinity at large as toxic? Who scream how much they HATE men from the rooftops every five minutes? Moms who turn their sons into their "emotional husbands" and allow them to live in their basements at the age of 30? How about the trans women who hate actual women and openly express their strange & competitive disdain for us? Do THESE people deserve to have a microphone?? 🤔 

^^They have wounds. They come from challenged backgrounds. They have NO business being role models. Just like Andrew Tate right? So what exactly is the difference for you? Because I don't see one. 

I'm absolutely IN FAVOR of our Freedom of Speech. 🌟 As long as it's not encouraging violence or cruelty, we are FREE to express ourselves. And turn off what doesn't resonate. Aries23 I don't agree with your stance on several things but I *fully* support you speaking out on what matters to you. And the individuals who feel that they have the right to speak their peace *while* trying to silence others from speaking theirs - are phony, hypocritical, demonic Tyrants. Same when trying to invlove kids! No matter what side of the isle you fall on. 

I absolutely agree that Andrew should face the hard consequences of his actions if he human-trafficked these women. 💯 Dude has some seriously deep flaws! But I definitely disagree that he deserves to be vilified because he curses, won't cater to people's feelings and owns a Lamborghini. 

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