posted October 05, 2023 04:22 PM            

The position you are at in life doesn't allow you to relate to everybody, your ambitions/goals require solitude or distancing yourself from others, leaving the country of your birth for work/ necessity and being alienated from the people you know, being alienated because of your social standing.

An increase in standing individuates you from others and makes you singular( and prone to loner tendencies), you are the authority(and in so assuming that role) you create inevitable physical/emotional distance between you and others.

posted October 05, 2023 05:52 PM            

As an adult, the transit brought similar things, only it was my sister, not someone engaged to my mum. Pluto in the third house.

I use placidus, but I’m wondering about whole sign. I think placidus is it, because with my sister, it started with an 11th house feeling, and then as it got worse, 12th house. One man from first transit, taught her how to fight, and she used that as an adult, too.

posted October 14, 2023 03:50 AM            

That's interesting. 🤔. Thanks for sharing.

I use whole sign. But I do notice that when the transit is close to planets in the early degree of a house,the effect intensifies because it is usually manifested as actual events. Planetary aspects actualize things.

Saturn in 12th can certainly make us feel more vulnerable and alone. Not to mention depressive and reclusive. Maybe because of the confining nature of Saturn that blends well with the isolated nature of the 12th?

I would also think that our sense of boundaries (Sat) becomes unclear(12th) or unknown with Saturn in 12th. Its like that falls away. And with that is the inability to put up a strong front.

Maybe this period is meant to align us to what serves to protect us rather than cage us? I.e. the two can be confused as when we are living in quiet desperation, we can slip into depression without anyone external being the wiser.

So the dissolution or melting away of boundaries (Sat) allows others to see what is REALLY going on.But the danger is that the loss of boundaries could be the influx of those who seek to take advantage. Those who will use this period to take advantage of our guard being down?

Whilst for those who have been feeling enslaved by Sat or putting self-imposed boundaries to nullify or retire spontaneous self expression because of fear of disapproval ,this transit could spell freedom.

When our boundaries become less clear, we feel more free to do things that are deemed "outside of the box" . And throug that, we also defy the expectations of society🤷🏿‍♂️

This is liberating for someone who has lived with internalized pressures from family or friends to be something other than what they are. Have them be filled with guilt for not living up to that etc.

This transit melts this awareness of what is "expected" and what is "frowned upon" away. Now one can do what one feels and be able to shrug off the "ridicule" that may follow more easily .

Why?Because Saturn in 12th would make one less aware of societal pressures and related restrictions. Less sensitive to the disapproving eyes and associated body language.

So loss (12th)of parental authority(Sat) may be good. Or the overstepping (12th) of the inner authority(Sat) would also not be so bad. Especially if the latter was too restrictive.

One may lose(12th) favour with "upper management" (Sat) in both the literal or figurative sense of the word. True. But connect more closely with Source. Be done with pleasing known secular authority to discover a transpersonal one☝🏿

One may lose(12th) reputation (Sat) or be considered "controversial" because of contravening an unspoken(12th) boundary (Sat).

Sat is also the structure in terms of friends. So that may also go under a change. Since Saturn in 11th meant condensing your networking circle.This transit may result in further losses because of people no longer wanting to be associated with you- seeing their reputation as compromised when associated with yours? Etc.

One may lose(12th) their place in society (Sat) which will give one an opportunity to redefine one's image as one wants. Not as one is "expected" to.