posted November 28, 2023 11:23 AM            

I do not feel that her life and everything she did and went through was in line with the teachings of having Capricorn as one's sun.

What brought this personal investigation on was when I read this post:

While there's some debate on how she looked. Some saying she was genuinely beautiful, others saying she was plain, and some people even saying that her enemies (specifically Octavian) were simply talking smack about her and making everyone believe she was, to use recent slang, "mid" at best. (indeed he was bitter, and he likely considered Cleopatra a hussy for taking Mark Anthony away from his daughter, but he did not love Octavians's daughter as it was a political marriage.)

But setting her looks aside, I want to look at her as a person, as a woman, as a soul. I do believe that her sun could have been Sagittarius, Aquarius, or even Scorpio, and if you look even deeper, you'll hopefully see what I mean.

First, I want to contest her label as a "femme fatale".

I've studied her over the years, and while yes, she was depicted as a "femme fatale", I don't think that's the whole story.

Many men will see an absolutely beautiful woman with brains and a big heart and simply assume she's just a temptress, but I don't read her life as someone who was even trying to be a temptress. They were different times back then, and naturally, the main thing people would tend to remember is how sexy someone is.

Read here:

If you don't know much of Cleopatra's lore by heart, I'll just break down and simplify some key elements to make my point.

Her studiousness reminds me of a Sagittarius, which I feel she probably was. She was essentially a scholar, and preferred to be around like-minded, intellectual well-read individuals according to some sources.

As for her going against her siblings - what I've read clearly shows that it was her siblings who sought to kill Cleopatra, bring her down, and go against her. Cleopatra was seemingly forced into an arranged marriage with her brother, and he eventually moved against her.

Imagine for a moment, being forced to marry someone like Geoffrey from GOT. Can you blame her, especially in those times?

I think you would understand her fighting back. It was a different time back then - kill or be killed, and when she succeeded in vanquishing some of her enemies, even family members, she was painted as some kind of "hot dark schemer", but actually she was really just defending herself and did what she had to do. I am not saying anything was all good or that anything is as simple as black and white, but I truly believe how Cleopatra was depicted really did not do her justice. She was bright, yes, and likely self aware, and that was likely very shocking for other people at that time. She didn't just lie down and take it, and she was absolutely not submissive and seemed to not believe in powerlessness or helplessness.

Eventually she met Mark Anthony, and I do not believe she simply seduced him as a means to an end, I believe she fell in love with him, and he with her, as he also came from an arranged marriage. Their whole relationship was problematic, and honestly if they'd had stayed away from each other, I think things would have worked out better but they let their hearts get in the way. They both had their political obligations, and honestly them getting together was against a lot of political agendas and seemed irresponsible, yet understandable.

Mark Anthony was also close to Caesar, and then later Cleopatra and Caesar were seen together after his death. I do believe them being together was likely simply a political move, and Caesar was likely trying to look after the girl of one of his best friends. I don't think their liaison together was as hot and heavy as others believed. I don't even think the child she claimed was Caesar's was his, but was likely, as some other scholars have guessed, a political move, but the child was actually Mark's.

I do believe that Mark Anthony's death impacted Cleopatra quite deeply as she seemed to start to lose it after that, and make worse and worse decisions.

People say she seduced Caesar, but I don't think she did. I think much of that was simply public perception. I think they simply worked together and shared ideas on how best to move forward.

So I think when we peel away the scandelousness and the sexy label, we can see that she was likely an intellectual, loved writing books, and even had some healer tendencies with her medicinal findings.

It's a bit tricky to figure out, because so much about her is only known due to gossip, public opinion and perception, politics, and propaganda.

Feel free to give your two cents, but this is just what I've concluded, and I feel Sagittarius suits her more as a sun sign.

posted November 29, 2023 03:11 AM            

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Cleopatra-queen-of-Egypt
https://www.thoughtco.com/cleopatra-study-guide-117788

I looked at the year 69 BC and there was a conjunction of Uranus and Pluto in the late degrees of Taurus. I wouldn’t be surprised if she had a close aspect to this with one of her personal planets. For example a Taurus Moon conjunction, that would have been a prominent feature in her personality. Independent and powerful.