posted December 03, 2023 01:34 AM            

But how do you interpret charts that have many planets in the 7th house for example? Or strongly aspected 7th house ruler? Can you please share your examples? Feel free to include your charts. I am especially interested in hearing from older members. Dating in the 20s is different than dating in 30s', 40's and older.

I keep wondering if I am doing something wrong and missing out on opportunities, and maybe I need to change my perspective about partner's age. I am very much single (and with packed 7th house, and current Saturn transiting my 7th, I rant a bit around here about my sucky singledom Just last week I heard of two people around my age (I'm 42) who were struggling to find a partner, and now they are both happy with partners 10 years older than them. One is a 42 yo man that I really liked, who is now with a 52 yo woman (he has Aquarius Desc).

I have Aquarius Desc (which can go either way I think, a lot younger, or a lot older partner). Sun and Mercury on the Desc in Aquarius - which I would interpret as someone close to my age. Sun can signify an older partner I think but Mercury is very youthful energy. Those are aspected by Uranus, Pluto and Neptune, which I would interpret as someone very, very mature. Also Mars in 7th... here's my chart for clarity (I use Placidus, equal house just doesn't fit the events and circumstances in my life) http://i.ibb.co/qx897M8/natal1.jpg

I only dated a few older men when I was in my 20's which is very common for girls anyway. I prefer dating men my age. However, in the last 10 years, I only dated younger men! The only one I wanted to marry was 6 years younger, but very mature. I'm very much open to older, but it just doesn't happen. I have tons of energy, look younger, I'm very fit, playful, like all the coolest music and clothes haha, so I just end up with younger men. But maybe that's why I'm single, I'm very serious deep down :/ An astrologer I talked to 20 years ago (may he rest in peace, he must have been psychic because he nailed some things about my future that came true, and there's no way to read that in the chart), told me my husband will be 15 years older, and more importantly the most spiritual, intelligent man I'll ever meet. I feel so vain - I can't imagine being attracted to someone so much older then me And that's where the conflict is probably. I want mature, but hot and energetic.

I have two friends that married 10-15 years older men. One has Aries Desc, Jupiter in 7th, Sun square Desc, Mars (ruler of the 7th) trine Moon. I can see how Jupiter would be an older, mature partner, and Sun as well. Maybe Mars too? I don't know. The second friend has Sagitarrius Desc (so Jupiter again!) and Neptune in the 7th house. Mercury square Desc. Oh, and a third one not married but likes "older energy" in men - Aries Desc, Mars conjunct Moon. There's something about Mars and Moon together, I think liking domestic energy which is more often found in older, established men.

posted December 03, 2023 09:27 AM            

the link with the chart doesn't work.

So I get you have Sun/Mercury/Mars in Aquarius 7th house.

When the 7th house has more than one planet in it and that is not the ruler of the 7th, it typically means more than one long term relationship or marriage. It also shows that you might've different types, you like different people like one that youthful (mercury), one that is very expressive and has a high self-value (Sun), one that is passionate and maybe a bit possessive with Mars. It could also mean that you search all these things in one person, but I've seen it usually happening as different people in someone's life.
Since you have ASC in Leo, the Sun is you, so it doesn't represent another person but yourself. Mercury can be a bounding in a romantic relationship with a friend since it rules the 11th house. And Mars also rules the 4th and the 9th house, so this might be your mother or could mean that you also learn from your partner (9th house), or it's a partner that is homeland based, if you moved somewhere else from your hometown or country, and one that might be a foreigner.

For women, it's of course better to date people older than you, around your age but older with a year or two. With Leo ASC, there are not indications of older partners (more than 5 years) like it's the case with Cancer ASC, even though it's ruled by Saturn too. Plus that is natural and the difference between partners like woman being older is more of an exception in practice and if it happens, that's fine, but chances are pretty low on this.

With many planets in the 7th house is difficult to establish astrologically how the partners chart is because it's a bit mix and there could be many types of people or a bit of them all in one person.

It matters where Saturn is too in your case. In what sign. This will tell you more about the 7th house. I guess that if you didn't say it is in Aquarius and it's not in Capricorn, if it's any other sign, maybe you need to reconsider and prioritize what you need in a relationship because the ruler shows that is lost, with 7th house packed with planets and the ruler is not there, you experienced a lot and learned a lot in relationships and kind of lost the meaning of what matters in a relationship.
On the other side, it could mean that it was put like that because you would need it in life. Sometimes it's like that.

posted December 03, 2023 10:55 PM            

The more I think about it, the more I see it's such a grey area... with the exception of a few cases (like very pronounced Saturn related to the 7th house), it's really hard to judge the actual age of the partner. I've been curious about it though because 2 astrologers pointed out my husband would be 6-15 years older and that's not the age group I'm normally attracted to. The planets related to the 7th house are more related to the general description of what the native needs and then sometimes that can be more often found in certain age groups, so we can indirectly try to guess the age.

But yeah, having many planets in one house is so confusing! You somehow need to experience them all, which is tricky if that's the house of marriage/partnerships. I have a small number of charts of friends and family that are married... and I actually know only 2 people who have many planets in the 7th house. One is my ex, who is still experiencing all those planets I guess, through all his relationships. But the other one married at 24 - and so far all is good! Maybe he was lucky to find everything in one person. Or it's more likely the fact that he has Saturn rising and Chiron on the Descendant. He's always been a very mature and nurturing person.

I paid attention to the ruler of the 7th house in other charts I have:

1 - Sagittarius 7th - Jupiter in Leo, 4th house. Her husband is 15 years older, and coincidentally, he is a Leo. She has no Leo in her chart, but has 5 planets in her 5th house. 7th ruler in the 4th house - her husband is from her home country, but they met and they live in a foreign country.

2 - Aries 7th - Mars in Scorpio, 2nd house, trine Moon. Her husband is almost 10 years older. Hm, all I can see from the outside that stands out is that he provided significant financial security to her.

3/4 - Couple, both have rulers of their 7th house in their 1st house. They are the same age. Same line of work. Both Virgos. I think I read that having a 7th house ruler in the 1st means that the native looks for a partner that is very similar to them.

5 - Pisces 7th - Neptune in 3rd. He and his wife are peers, met while studying at the university.

6 - Aries 7th - Mars in 11th. She went to elementary school with her life partner, so they were friends, but they got together much later in life.

Wow... I'm seeing a pattern here! Maybe the ruler of the 7th trumps the planets in the 7th house indeed???
It's really helpful to look at these things methodically.

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
Since you have ASC in Leo, the Sun is you, so it doesn't represent another person but yourself.

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Also, as you say, I experienced every planet from my 7th house in my ex partners. I had many long term relationships, and can't even count the rest - more that I care about despite actually spending many, many years totally alone. I'm exhausted and super selective.

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
It matters where Saturn is too in your case. In what sign. This will tell you more about the 7th house... maybe you need to reconsider and prioritize what you need in a relationship because the ruler shows that is lost, with 7th house packed with planets and the ruler is not there, you experienced a lot and learned a lot in relationships and kind of lost the meaning of what matters in a relationship.

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This!! You said such an important thing! Maybe I'm starting to get it. Well, first, I'm never sure how much importance to put on Uranus vs Saturn for Aquarius Descendant. A friend of mine with Aqua Desc married a woman who barely has any Aquarius in her chart but has Sun conjunct Saturn and is Capricorn rising.
In my case I've always paid more attention to Uranus, because I think I'm more of a Uranian type.

But this... My Saturn is in Libra, 2nd house, conj. Jupiter. Uranus 0* Sag, 4th house. I've been puzzled by this my whole life. Because I've always thought I don't want a domestic man. I don't want someone from my home country (I live in a foreign country most of my life). Until I met a Taurus man, as Taurean as it gets who has shaken my world beyond words. Things didn't work out, but I've been so confused. I felt and still feel like he's given me water without me even knowing I was dying of thirst. I've been so shaken for a year that I've prayed for an explanation, and got a clear message that he appeared in my life so that I learn what I need. Is that really the case? Does the ruler of the 7th house trump the planets in the 7th? I even met this man while visiting my family (Uranus in 4th).
That affair was so brief, but he put me in a beautiful, little house surrounded by trees, all in earthy tones, fed me, kissed me, played music for me, his touch was like my mothers touch (also Taurus)... and I feel like a mad person looking for that touch, feeling, eyes and home
The thing is I have no earth in my chart! Except my MC in Taurus - which is significant. I do have many friends in earth signs though. I compensate for my lack of earth. I have too much air so I don't partner up with air signs. The thing is planets in Taurus square all my planets in Aquarius and Leo and I'm afraid that typical Taurean types miss me as an option - me being all over the world, ready to get up and go anytime. And I need a warm home with someone like I need water. Someone to ground me and feed me I guess.

I have a bunch of other things on my mind regarding partners age... but I've written so much already. Next time.

posted December 04, 2023 12:34 AM            

In my life it's been both ways, I'm younger or older. As I was younger it was they were more my seniors. But in truth possibly even as I was 19-26ish I dated a lot of younger guys. Usually they were the ones to first show interest. The one @my 19yo age was 18 so that was pretty insignificant.

I always preferred older when I pursued or was most receptive. Gotta say the chemistry was awesome when I was the older one. Dang! There's a good perk either direction.

Wonder if other Sagittarius Ascendings have similar situations.

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posted December 04, 2023 02:19 AM            

For the cases of your friends, I can't know for sure without the charts. There are more things to consider than just the ASC.

The planets on the 7th house would show up in other peoples chart as conjunctions or 1st house placements. For example, Jupiter on the 7th house, will show in the partner as Jupiter conjunct Venus, sometimes Sun.

Mercury on the 7th house is typically a younger partner, but I see it's retrograde in your chart.

Ruler of 7th being exalted and conjunct with Jupiter would explain what that person said that you would meet someone that you will learn from. Still, an age difference of 15 years to me is too much. I have Leo ASC too and I didn't go for mature people either, even with Saturn in the 7th. I just feel confortable in my age group. So I guess it's still the typical age group, but who knows.. Saturn rules the 7th house, it could happen... But with many planets in the 7th, we can't know for sure.

posted March 26, 2024 06:57 PM            

I haven't had any time to think about these things... but yeah, it fascinates me when people partner up with someone 10+ years younger or older. My ideal is also someone around my age. I just cannot even imagine myself being attracted to someone that much older. Even 5 years is pushing it. I guess we all have to work out different things in our psyche and get into relationships with all kinds of different dynamics.

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
I always preferred older when I pursued or was most receptive. Gotta say the chemistry was awesome when I was the older one. Dang! There's a good perk either direction.

Wonder if other Sagittarius Ascendings have similar situations.

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It makes sense that with Gemini Descendent you really enjoyed being with someone younger!

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Originally posted by mee_chryssa:
So the ruler of the 7th house is exalted in Libra. That's good, so it's the first scenario with the fact that you experienced a lot in relationships and you have the feeling of going it to a higher concept of relationships. It is also conjunct Jupiter which is the ruler of the 5th house... so it's not something that you did wrong, but actually good and you just want to take it further with the ruler exalted.
But the South Node in the 7th house should make you feel like you want to get out of these relationships...

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posted March 27, 2024 12:09 AM            

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I always preferred older when I pursued or was most receptive. Gotta say the chemistry was awesome when I was the older one. Dang! There's a good perk either direction.

Wonder if other Sagittarius Ascendings have similar situations.

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Sag Asc here,

I also prefer older man. I was liked by younger males before, the Scorpio one was chasing me like he bought me gifts and acted all protecting because some girls didn't like my quick popularity in their community (I didn't even do sh*t). He didn't afraid to show his feelings to let me know that he liked me which I appreciated it but no, it felt really strange for me to date younger male.
The Gemini one was a little bit shy (compare to the Scorpio), didn't want to show his feelings right away, but paid your food and you know when he took a seat close with you and acted a little bit uneasy, like, what was wrong with you? He moved his legs over and over again until I should put my hand to stop his legs movement and said, "easy". Then he started questioning if I would date a younger male. Before that our mutual friend (well, actually his friend that eventually become my friend) actually came to me asking what if I dated him. That time I was almost reconsidering my preferences, whether if I tried it or not, but no, it still felt very strange knowing I was older than the man I dated.

I didn't date people the same year as me as well.

My husband is a year older than me, but as a Gemini male, he acts way more more younger than his age. He prefers stayed as a boy I think.

My exes are older than me.

So, yeah, as a Sag Asc, I like older male. Maybe if the younger male is way more mature, who posses a more strong character and act more older than his age, I may consider him. I have Moon trine Saturn, my feeling likes calm and mature people.

posted March 30, 2024 07:12 AM            

Yes. I looked at your chart. You have the ruler (Sat) conjunct Jup. That would make you an individual who is restrained.

In relationships, you are the voice of reason and can be someone who is calm and rational. Maybe even risk-averse?

I always see the 7th house planets as the people that we not only attract to us. But we also likely deal with either in our family OR everyday lives.

This could be because these people feature in your life interactions I.e. relatives, live-in partners, neighbours, gym instructors etc.

As such, there is likely a certain mechanism that you have developed in how you deal with them. Or atleast how you navigate your interaction so that your contact with them is fruitful.

Sun and Mars are not great in house 7,they often speak of people who are very anti "we" and very "Me".

The contradictory planet involved here is Mercury. This planet likes relating and having a sounding board.

Do you perhaps have people in your life that you deal with regularly who are short tempered (Mars),self-centred (Sun) and even "selfish"?

The Mercury person would be the type who is a chatterbox- using their hands to illustrate their point and has the gift of gab etc.

Even if its not different people who have the traits of each planet, it could also be just one person exhibiting all.

Like someone who thinks that their opinion (Merc) is superior(Sun)? Someone who feels a need to assert their point of view(Mars) and argues to "win"?

So with Mars in 7th, you'll attract those who do tend to have a level of high emotions.They tend to have frequent outbursts of anger.

These people also display incredible sensitivity and depth of feelings that they can even cry spontaneously when frustrated or overwhelmed.

So perhaps they are childlike in essence(whatever the age) because they behave like children and often come to you because your are reasonable (Sat/Jup conj) and comforting to them? You soothe their tense emotions because of your more mature outlook.

It is the nature of Mars people to be inceptive. Many may feel that they can expel their energy on to you and you will not be intimidated by their intensity.

The same could be said of the Sun. These are the types to be very much about themselves and therefore do not attract "cling ons". Why? They think of or involve themselves with very little else that does not have them at their centre (Sun).

Many people find this offputting and even "vain". But perhaps you are the type to be unbothered by their massive ego? This because Sat(7th house ruler) is cold in nature.So the absorption of light from the Sun will never "burn" you.

These people may also appreciate that you don't need them and are independent because as I said, "cling ons" are not their thing. They are not focused on much else outside of themselves. So your self-sufficiency is attractive to them.

The 3rd type(Mercury) is talkative and inceptive too. But not nearly as aggressive as the two above.

These are the more refined type and are usually quite eloquent.Interesting ideas and conversations are had with these ones. They like to feed you little facts about everything they find interesting. And they seem to genuinely enjoy your company.

Saturn (like Ven and Mercury) is also on some level discriminatory and elitist. So here there is the appreciation of a discerning eye that they(Merc) appreciate. Why?

Because Mercury themselves loves the fact that you can talk about the differences between two things that the world assumes are identical.The minutia is everything to Merc.

Mars/Sun will always seem to have a very "childlike " quality about them-this no matter the age. Mercury(being more refined) will seem "older" or "mature". This will also be outside the actual age.

posted March 31, 2024 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

In relationships, you are the voice of reason and can be someone who is calm and rational. Maybe even risk-averse?

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Not risk averse, but calm and level-headed yes.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

I always see the 7th house planets as the people that we not only attract to us. But we also likely deal with either in our family OR everyday lives.
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Do you perhaps have people in your life that you deal with regularly who are short tempered (Mars),self-centred (Sun) and even "selfish"?

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Oh yes! Whole family (except Taurus mom), exes, friends, superiors - all Leos, Aries, Virgos & Gemini (Mercury), Capricorns & Aquariuses (Saturn). Mercury people being strictly in the friend zone.

Love them dearly. Most Sun & Mars people are typical fiery people. Aggression channeled through work and sports. Yes, I think they find me comforting because I'm mature but playful and light hearted. By this age I don't deal with short-tempered and selfish people - they are either calm with me or just not in my life. Otherwise impulsive people are pretty chill with me - so you're right!

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

But perhaps you are the type to be unbothered by their massive ego? This because Sat(7th house ruler) is cold in nature. So the absorption of light from the Sun will never "burn" you.

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That's pretty accurate! I mostly feel people's egos retreat around me even if they are big otherwise. That's nice.

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Speaking of this... there's this 20 years younger guy who is really persistent to go out with me. So weird - it's not a big deal at all when a 40 year old man goes out with a 20 year old woman. But why does the opposite feel embarrassing and wrong? I mean I would absolutely have no serious intentions, but the fact is that the 20 year old males are at their sexual peak, just like 40 year old females. Maybe it's my bad luck, but every 30+ years old guy I've ever dated had lower sex drive. Statistically that's correct though, on average male sex drive keeps dropping.

posted March 31, 2024 05:48 PM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
So, yeah, as a Sag Asc, I like older male. Maybe if the younger male is way more mature, who posses a more strong character and act more older than his age, I may consider him. I have Moon trine Saturn, my feeling likes calm and mature people.

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It's just so natural for women to want maturity. I can imagine that maturity and youthfulness are ideal for you!

I know this is so hard to read from the chart. I have a friend with Sun conjunct Saturn, who always goes for men that to me look super boring and old, but she loves them because she sees them as good and stable providers.

I also really started paying attention to Saturn positions in potential partners charts, and what aspects their Saturn makes to my planets, or whoever's chart I'm looking at. I know a guy who was in a committed relationship with a 10 years younger girl, and with a 10 years older woman! He has Moon opposite Saturn in natal, quite difficult chart, and it turns out those womens' Saturns form easy aspects to his Moon.

I noticed some 6 years younger guys seem to be a good fit for me (e.g an ex I lived with), because their Saturn forms a trine with my Moon and sextile with my Venus. I entirely avoid the generations whos Saturn makes squares to my Moon, Venus etc (2-4 years younger). Older guys have Saturn that falls into my 12th or 1st house (which are difficult overlays), and potentially also makes difficult aspects to my personal planets. So I'd have to go for a lot older to have a favorable Saturn synastry. Or someone around my age, or 6 years younger.

Just a food for thought...