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Topic: So when do things get easy for fixed placements?
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plutonianmenace
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posted December 18, 2023 05:52 PM
  
Seems like we have been going through it forever now.IP: Logged |
MoonMystic
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posted December 18, 2023 06:22 PM
Thank you! I mean really, when?!IP: Logged |
charlie
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posted December 20, 2023 06:55 AM
Wouldn't we perhaps want to add cardinals as well? Pluto is no diaper-game and many can't handle him. I have Pluto deep in my bone marrow but DA*N! His way through Capricorn was not fun. Next up Pluto op Saturn..IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace
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posted December 20, 2023 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by charlie:
Wouldn't we perhaps want to add cardinals as well? Pluto is no diaper-game and many can't handle him. I have Pluto deep in my bone marrow but DA*N! His way through Capricorn was not fun. Next up Pluto op Saturn..
Let's do a separate thread for cardinals, I want this one to be about fixed signs IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted December 20, 2023 03:56 PM
I’m fixed and cardinal. I want Pluto to **** off, but it will square my Uranus/ascendant again, plus my dad’s sun. We’ve been hit with Uranus, Pluto, Chiron, Saturn, etc. Uranus is in my fixed 7th, after hitting all of my Aries and other cardinal, and will hit my mutable, when it enters Gemini. IP: Logged |
Librapurr
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posted December 20, 2023 04:30 PM
Pluto didn’t start with Fixed yet, only earliest degrees are effected so far. Cardinals have been suffering from Pluto for almost a decade. It keeps coming back to Capricorn.
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Belage
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posted December 20, 2023 05:13 PM
Things will get easier (notice, I didn't say easy) when fixed placements stop being so darn fixed. The adverse transits to your fixed placements are trying to teach you something. But you are resisting and dugging in your heels. Stop being so stuck in your ways and in your thought patterns and allow yourself to evolve. IP: Logged |
MoonMystic
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posted December 20, 2023 08:48 PM
He's parallel both my Mars & Sun so he's definitely doing his best on me. Even though he's not close enough to my fixed stellium. As far as being stubborn, fixed - tell the ground to quit being stuck, the sky to not remain above, waters to ocean and sands to the deserts. We are by nature created as we are. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted December 20, 2023 10:42 PM
One of those Astro.com things said my strongest part of my chart, was mutability. I told someone earlier, I feel like the “before” me is wanting to break out, but too much has happened. IP: Logged |
sashavittoria
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posted December 21, 2023 11:25 AM
Pluto’s little indecisive dance between Cap and Aqua in my 7th is exactly square my OOS moon/Venus conjunction at 28 Aries/0 Taurus in my 10th. It’s been… rough. Especially when I had my Saturn return to my 8th house at the same time. It’s just been all love and career stuff in constant flux and frustration, and the north node and Jupiter transiting my moon/Venus conjunction didn’t really compensate in those areas of life. ): when will things get better? I don’t mind Pluto in my 8th as long as it won’t be squaring anything… but then it will square my sun ): and my natal Pluto.It seems like no matter how great other transits are supposed to be, if Pluto is making a hard aspect to your personal planets, it overpowers everything. Just give me all the romance and success already! IP: Logged |
93nov
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posted December 21, 2023 12:18 PM
Someone finally said it lol I am wondering the same thing with Pluto squaring my Scorpio stellium. I will be dealing with Pluto for many years to come and it is not fair sighs. Pluto squared my moon.. now it's making its way back to my Jupiter, then off to my Venus, Mercury, Sun, ASC. Insane. And not to mention I just finished up my Saturn return. Life is so unfair. I envy people with easier charts/ transits. IP: Logged |
Librapurr
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posted December 21, 2023 02:50 PM
There’s hope Pluto could treat Scorpio better than Uranus as native energy. I would think Uranus should be easier for Aqua than other fixed.IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted December 21, 2023 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
As far as being stubborn, fixed - tell the ground to quit being stuck, the sky to not remain above, waters to ocean and sands to the deserts. We are by nature created as we are.
I guess you are a slave to your chart... Then what is the point of studying astrology? We might just as well give up and let whatever happen happens...
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rockwell
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posted December 24, 2023 05:13 AM
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Originally posted by Librapurr:
Pluto didn’t start with Fixed yet, only earliest degrees are effected so far. Cardinals have been suffering from Pluto for almost a decade. It keeps coming back to Capricorn.
Thank you Librapurrr. That was my impression too. Cancer, Aries & Libra suffered perhaps the most but also Gemini (Pluto in Sagittarius was an opposition and Pluto in Capricorn is a quincunx aspect to Gemini) saw the ugly side of it. I have a friend who has all her mayor planets in Aries. Despite being active she couldn't move things forward and was stuck during this time. Another Aries I know suffered from depression.
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rockwell
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posted December 24, 2023 05:20 AM
If I had to bet, I'd say that Pluto in Aquarius will be very tough for People who have many planets in Leo, Scorpio, Taurus and Cancer.It will be a good transit for the Air signs and people with Aries and Sagittarius in their charts. IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace
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posted December 25, 2023 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by rockwell:
If I had to bet, I'd say that Pluto in Aquarius will be very tough for People who have many planets in Leo, Scorpio, Taurus and Cancer.It will be a good transit for the Air signs and people with Aries and Sagittarius in their charts.
You base this on what?
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Stawr
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posted December 25, 2023 10:44 PM
Totally Uranus as the main factor!!! The middle degrees are very trying for me. I have
Mercury Taurus 11 degrees h12
NN Aquarius 14 degrees h9
SN Leo 14 degrees h3
Valentine Scorpio 14 degrees h6
MC Aquarius 16 degrees h10
SN Leo 16 degrees h4
Pluto Scorpio 17 degrees h6
Lilith Scorpio 17 degrees h6
Electra Scorpio 17 degrees h6
Moon Scorpio 18 degrees h6
Kaali Scorpio 19 degrees h6
Juno Scorpio 22 degrees h6
Mars Aquarius 23 degrees h10 I had a good enough of a time when it first started in Taurus. I became increasingly tested with my now ex husband. It got increasingly worse. On the eclipse that was 16 degrees Taurus 2022 I drove across the country and left my husband. I've experienced a lot of being kicked when down during that time. I do what I can to make the most of my life I still have challenges. I've been learning a lot about myself. It is such a relief that Saturn is in Pisces now!
It was a huge relief when when the NN in Taurus moved to the earlier degrees. (though having it in Aries has its issues its more first world problem stuff)
While I respect that this is a fixed thread topic it is a huge relief that Pluto stopped squaring my Aries sun around Scorpio season this year. Venus in Scorpio has felt weird, missing someone that isn't good for me. Lilith still goes into Leo sometimes. It's not right now. Now that Uranus is 19 degrees I'm like oh great, now it's squaring my NN again. LUCKILY!!!! The early degrees of Aquarius don't touch anything in my chart as Pluto draws near. I am so ready for a break from Pluto after having it square my Aries Sun on and off over the years. I am looking forward to the end of Pluto Uranus for my Saturn Capricorn. Can I have some damn stability and more independence now???? Scorpio season had me emotional (plus the eclipse) but quick to figure out. But yeah...I wonder how I'll feel during Aquarius Season?
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rockwell
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posted December 27, 2023 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
You base this on what?
Ive said it before: Pluto in Aquarius will form a square or opposition or quincunx to the named signs. People who have their sun or many planets in hard aspects to current Pluto transits never have an easy time. Never. I saw how it played out. If anything Pluto transits are by far underestimated. It almost doesn't matter how good other (short-term) transits will be. A Pluto transit has the power to make or break a person. It's a long-term term transit which is for almost two decades (till March 2043) in Aquarius and whose influence will be felt even if it forms a wider aspect to your natal chart. During this period, Pluto will dictate the overall motto in society and your life depending on your natal chart and its aspects. IP: Logged |
rockwell
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posted December 27, 2023 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by Belage:
I guess you are a slave to your chart...Then what is the point of studying astrology? We might just as well give up and let whatever happen happens...
Great point. As I understand it, it's about the learning experience we gain in this world. Saturn transits are about perseverance. Saturn rewards those who have staying power and persevere despite great difficulties. Pluto transits are not there for perseverance. Pluto is about the themes of power, powerlessness, and transformation. Pluto transits lead to purification and clarification, but this is often preceded by suffering. My experience as someone who had Pluto in opposition to the Sun is that external situations create so much pressure that we are forced to change. Without pressure, most of us would usually not move voluntarily. Everything that lies dormant or has been repressed within us is triggered by these transits. It can also happen that we are very hard on other people and demand a lot from them or that others suddenly have the upper hand and we are at their mercy or that we get involved in pointless battles that rob us of our strength and lead to nothing etc. IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace
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posted December 27, 2023 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by rockwell:
Ive said it before: Pluto in Aquarius will form a square or opposition or quincunx to the named signs.People who have their sun or many planets in hard aspects to current Pluto transits never have an easy time. Never. I saw how it played out. If anything Pluto transits are by far underestimated. It almost doesn't matter how good other (short-term) transits will be. A Pluto transit has the power to make or break a person. It's a long-term term transit which is for almost two decades (till March 2043) in Aquarius and whose influence will be felt even if it forms a wider aspect to your natal chart. During this period, Pluto will dictate the overall motto in society and your life depending on your natal chart and its aspects.
But I do not really see an opposition as a bad transit or aspect unless I am mixing something since it is compatible. For example, opposite signs are actually compatible. In terms of Leo and Aquarius, the fire needs the air. However, I find Squares to be unpleasant. I would like other opinions on this. IP: Logged |
rockwell
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posted December 27, 2023 02:07 PM
Romantic compatibility between two charts (synastry or composite) and transits are two very different things. In a romantic partnership, Leo and Aquarius make an amazing couple and the two are often good friends. However, the purpose of transits is not to say that two signs are friendly with each other and therefore will have a smooth Pluto in Aquarius transit. If this is the logic, Louis XVI (Leo Sun, Jupiter, Neptune, and Scorpio Moon), for example, would also have had a simple Pluto in Aquarius transit in 1793. The purpose of transits is to bring to consciousness various areas of life that have been repressed or neglected or need your attention or development. For Leo natives, Pluto in Aquarius triggers the 7th house and will bring up such issues ("the others", the society etc.) in one form or another. IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace
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posted December 27, 2023 11:20 PM
Not different at all IMO. I would want more astrologers to weigh in but the reality is that when broader society thinks like a certain sign, then that benefits those that are naturally compatible with such signs. I think a good way to look at it is who benefitted a lot when Pluto was in various signs. I know Pluto in Scorpio made lives great for Taurus.I am opening to hearing from more Astrologers but I do think that Pluto In Aqua might actually lead to a lot more Aquas and Leos in power as opposed to Scorpios and Taurus. In fact, I would not be shocked if typical Scorpio traits got put out in the open for everyone to see. IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace
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posted December 27, 2023 11:20 PM
Not different at all IMO. I would want more astrologers to weigh in but the reality is that when broader society thinks like a certain sign, then that benefits those that are naturally compatible with such signs. I think a good way to look at it is who benefitted a lot when Pluto was in various signs. I know Pluto in Scorpio made lives great for Taurus.I am opening to hearing from more Astrologers but I do think that Pluto In Aqua might actually lead to a lot more Aquas and Leos in power as opposed to Scorpios and Taurus. In fact, I would not be shocked if typical Scorpio traits got put out in the open for everyone to see. IP: Logged |
rockwell
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posted December 28, 2023 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Not different at all IMO. I would want more astrologers to weigh in but the reality is that when broader society thinks like a certain sign, then that benefits those that are naturally compatible with such signs. I think a good way to look at it is who benefitted a lot when Pluto was in various signs. I know Pluto in Scorpio made lives great for Taurus.I am opening to hearing from more Astrologers but I do think that Pluto In Aqua might actually lead to a lot more Aquas and Leos in power as opposed to Scorpios and Taurus. In fact, I would not be shocked if typical Scorpio traits got put out in the open for everyone to see.
Great? My mother, grandma and great grandma are (were) Tauruses. Pluto in Scorpio was the most erratic time in their lifes. In my mothers case, Pluto went straight through her 10th and later 11th house. All of the sudden, she lost her once secure job and suddenly had nothing. She had a little baby and was in survivor mode during this time.
My grandma certainly wouldn't call this time great either. Her secure world came crushing down during this transit.
I also had Pluto opposite sun. What happened was a constant fight against people who were in higher positions (authorities) to prove myself. If I could do it again, I wouldn't choose to fight but let go off things that weren't meant to be. IP: Logged |
plutonianmenace
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posted December 28, 2023 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by rockwell:
Great? My mother, grandma and great grandma are (were) Tauruses. Pluto in Scorpio was the most erratic time in their lifes. In my mothers case, Pluto went straight through her 10th and later 11th house. All of the sudden, she lost her once secure job and suddenly had nothing. She had a little baby and was in survivor mode during this time.
My grandma certainly wouldn't call this time great either. Her secure world came crushing down during this transit.
I also had Pluto opposite sun. What happened was a constant fight against people who were in higher positions (authorities) to prove myself. If I could do it again, I wouldn't choose to fight but let go off things that weren't meant to be.
It seems like you are predicting a lot of this based on your own experience and also, your Mars is in Aries so I would think that had a lot to do with a water heavy sign going through your house. IP: Logged |
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