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plutonianmenace
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posted December 28, 2023 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As someone with his 4th house in Scorpio and way too many Pluto aspects, I thought I'd make this post. I have seen enough demand for it and I thought that with Pluto going into Aquarius soon, we'd shed some more light into the behavior of toxic Scorpios.

Because let's face it, we have all been there before and are sick and tired of the nonsense modern "Astrologers" put up.

Whether it is a particular "Christian" mod on this site or some Astrologer with her own site playing favorites, we have tried to research the sign of Scorpio. However, all we come across is "ZOMG BRO, THEY IS LIEK THE STRONGEST SIGN AND THEY GO THRU TRANSFORMATIONS AND SHIET, THEY IS GOOD SIGNS AND UR SIGN SUCKS!". I think Astrology itself needs a transformation, how ironic since we are talking Pluto, and I think that it is about time I helped kicked off this much needed transformation. As the Ten Millionth person sick and tired of Modern "Astrologers" playing favorites, here is my guide on dealing with toxic Scorpios.

But why?

I had an abusive Scorpio dad who passed and I don't have much feelings of him. The guy had a Scorpio Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Mars. I also had a Scorpio boss who had a Stellium in the sign but a Libra moon. I have dealt with troublesome Scorpio coworkers. All of them were dealt with by karma in a severe way but I wanted to make this guid for anyone dealing with toxic Scorpios.

The good news.

The thing about toxic Scorpios is that if you do not need them for anything, they are quite easy to avoid. The more you avoid them, the less power they have. The closer you are to a Scorpio that is toxic, the more they can hurt you. In reality, toxic Scorpios cannot really do anything to a person that doesn't need them. However, let's say you have a toxic Scorpio as a boss, coworker, in-law, or someone you have to deal with. How do you do it?

Well, the moronic "Astrologers" (who are mentally ill women with a bias) will never tell you this, so let me tell you instead.

But more good news.

When Pluto enters Aquarius, more and more toxic Scorpios are going to suffer so I say, this is more rubbing salt into the wound.

How to deal with toxic Scorpios when you need to.

For those with a toxic Scorpio in their life, here is the guide.

Step 0 and the most important step, give no value to them or anyone of that sign.

Let me put it this way, as much as as modern Astrologers will disagree with me here. If someone with a March birthday got Stage 4 Pancreatic Cancer, they would likely die. If someone with an early November birthday got Stage 4 Pancreatic Cancer, they would also die. Contrary to what Modern Astrologers claim, being a Scorpio does not make you invincible to crap that would kill and hurt most people.

I know, if you have been fed the poison you have by the lonely or mentally deranged women that pose as Astrologers and happen to have a website around it that comes up around the top of the search on Google, you are prone to believing BS. Here is the reality, it is BS. Modern Astrology and most modern Astrologers are liars that have deceived you.

In reality, Scorpios with toxic traits are the embodiment of all bark no bite. Once the threats hold no weight, they

Step 1, understand the Scorpio better for what it is.

Good Scorpios are powerful people who are capable of great things. Toxic Scorpios are usually cowards that got away with a lot growing up due to dumb luck. Maybe they had rich parents and could get away with things that way. Maybe they picked their targets carefully so they singled out the people who could be reliant on them that they could take advantage of.

Here is the one common trait of all toxic Scorpios, they believe in Astrology. While fire signs and air signs are too busy living life, toxic Scorpios are spamming the internet with nonsense about their sign.

Here is the secret about toxic Scorpios, most people have not confronted them about their BS. The ones who could, well, they never needed them for anything so they were too busy living life to confront them. The idea of a toxic Scorpio being criticized is so foreign because they hide behind their circle of Yes Men, remember that.

Usually, a dead giveaway of a toxic Scorpio is that they come on to you positively if you do not know them. They will try to be overly flattering and have that classic fake smile, something about the smile that you know is not very genuine. At the same time, they will do all of this in private when a lot of others are not around. Their classic hallmark trait is giving unsolicited advice when others are not around.

See the common theme? When others are not around, pay attention to that, because I am giving you an achilles heel to exploit there.

Step 2, almost never greet them with any sort of kindness or niceness.

Kindness to toxic Scorpios is like fresh meat to a hungry predator. When you notice Step 1 and have identified said Scorpio, you take on a certain vibe. Here is how the vibe works:

1 - Speak sternly and bluntly, make it short

2 - Have an angry ****** off "I don't want to speak to you expression" to you

3 - Give short stern angry answers with that hidden angry expression on your face

Usually, the given Scorpio will get the point IF they are smart. If they are not, they will surely face some consequences as we get to later.

This is also important because Scorpios WILL attack you out of the blue. It is important because then, you can just bring it right up in front of others and say "I barely acknowledged you, ignored you when you tried to flatter me, and now this? What are you trying to do here?". They will say "it was just a joke bro", you can then say "oh like that one time you commented on Rayna's weight to me at Happy Hour".

Rayna's Weight can be substituted for anything negative about said mutual friend that you know is lukewarm about said Scorpio at best. The point is, you want to them to know nothing they tell you is safe from public eye. They will usually back off at this point if they are smart.

Step 3, do your research on them at every turn, other people will be on to their sh*t. Dig up those skeletons in their closet!

With a toxic Scorpio, they have likely made enemies before. Probe at that and do some detective work yourself. Look up former employers, exes, and others who have had interactions with them before. Ask them about the given Scorpio at hand. Do a "behind the door" reference check and do not take their yes men and friends for granted.

Certain Scorpios will also have their Yes Men do the duty of looking out for them. Simply call out the behavior in front of the Yes Man and say "the more you try to stop me from learning about Rob from another source, the more I think Rob has to hide and the deeper I will go, get lost". The more they try to prevent you from digging? The more you dig. Report to Law Enforcement and talk to them if needed and let said Scorpio know.

I have told said Scorpios "I am looking to get a Federal Agent to do this for me instead, its either me digging into your life or them, what's it gonna be?". Just the threat of that will send shivers down the spine of a toxic Scorpio.

However, that is extreme. You can just keep digging into details about them as much as possible. One tactic you can do is hire someone to do it for you.

I use this tactic. Find a mutual friend that Scorpio has, someone they are close to. Then find a close friend of said mutual friend. If that close friend does not follow said Scorpio or is close with them, make that close friend your prime reference. Just tell them something like "I think this person is trying to harm a lot of people and I need to do my research as I make my case to Law Enforcement". Said person will open up and tell you about them.

Just keep on doing this, it is going to come in handy.

Step 4, prey on their paranoia and record/document as much as possible.

Usually, with Scorpios, the main way to go is just claim "well past coworkers and women have told me you forced yourself on them" and leave it at that. The more they probe, the quieter you get. If they probe more, then simply say "we can have Law Enforcement look into this and they can give specifics". With toxic Scorpios, more shivers will go down their spine after this. A lot have gotten away with harassing women and as a result, know that this is a major skeleton in their closet. Most of the times, when you center your accusation around this, they get shaken and paranoid because they have tried to hide this.

You can also secretly record them because when they are in private with you, they will say dumb stuff because they are used to getting away with it. The reason is, growing up, very few gave a crap about them.

Later on, use it against them if needed which takes me to Step 5.

Step 5, The Gemini Checkmate.

I call this The Gemini Checkmate for a reason. Gemini rules the 8th house of Scorpio which is where Scorpios figuratively speaking, go to "die". Why is this?

Well, Gemini is the messenger sign of information. In other words, the Gemini brings out the skeletons in the closet of the Scorpio. The Gemini checkmates the Scorpio, despite the garbage any of the "Modern Astrologers" tell you. Geminis make it hard for Scorpios to sleep at night.

So what is exactly is The Gemini Checkmate?

It is when you bring up all accusations and recordings of the Scorpio and put it out for the world to see. You can do it at a group event or in front of a lot people for maximum hurt.

You bring it up out of the blue, ideally in front of anyone said Scorpio is trying to impress. They will break apart.

A Toxic Scorpio's Achille's heel is their sense of privacy being destroyed. Once they realize that someone is playing detective with their lives, they will start to break apart even more.

Some MIGHT resort to violence out of nowhere like catching you in a parking lot but let me put it this way, they cannot fight in most cases. You just have to run to safety as a worst case scenario but this is the "Scorpio Revenge", trying to catch you out of nowhere in a foolish impulsive way and then hope they can play victim front of a judge. Most of the times, this will be their end of the road and a lot of times, their damage will not be that significant.

You will have a minor scratch if that.

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posted December 29, 2023 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, thank you for this! I really needed it and it totally resonates.

I guess I accidentally did follow these steps without realizing it and it’s worked. I think my toxic Scorpio probably talks crap behind my back but that’s all. Sad because I think we still have strong mutual romantic/sexual feelings for one another, but I saw his toxicity and I think my “Gemini checkmate” (lol great phrase) has completely prevented any future friendship from developing.

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posted December 29, 2023 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for implosions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Holy **** this post is full of anger -- and some extremely inappropriate takes on mental illness and misogyny.

I'm actually agog. Like too agog to even absorb anything through this lens of bitterness you've posted this in.

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posted December 30, 2023 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This guide should be named how make eternal enemies. I like your Sagittarius storytelling better lol
However, some points could be applied to toxic people generally.

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posted December 30, 2023 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGemV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Step 5, The Gemini Checkmate.
I call this The Gemini Checkmate for a reason. Gemini rules the 8th house of Scorpio which is where Scorpios figuratively speaking, go to "die". Why is this?

Well, Gemini is the messenger sign of information. In other words, the Gemini brings out the skeletons in the closet of the Scorpio. The Gemini checkmates the Scorpio, despite the garbage any of the "Modern Astrologers" tell you. Geminis make it hard for Scorpios to sleep at night.

So what is exactly is The Gemini Checkmate?

It is when you bring up all accusations and recordings of the Scorpio and put it out for the world to see. You can do it at a group event or in front of a lot people for maximum hurt.

You bring it up out of the blue, ideally in front of anyone said Scorpio is trying to impress. They will break apart.

A Toxic Scorpio's Achille's heel is their sense of privacy being destroyed. Once they realize that someone is playing detective with their lives, they will start to break apart even more.

Some MIGHT resort to violence out of nowhere like catching you in a parking lot but let me put it this way, they cannot fight in most cases. You just have to run to safety as a worst case scenario but this is the "Scorpio Revenge", trying to catch you out of nowhere in a foolish impulsive way and then hope they can play victim front of a judge. Most of the times, this will be their end of the road and a lot of times, their damage will not be that significant.

You will have a minor scratch if that.


Lmao. I found out my bosses birthday on facebook and wished him a happy birthday.

He gave me this annoyed look of how did you figure it out? since he didn't mention it on his profile.

I said I searched by people who either tagged you or posted on your profile, your brother wished you a happy birthday In November.

He brushed it off as he was worried about his age.

After that point he never doubted me on finding things in the workplace, so I guess it worked in that way.

Once we had a teams meeting because some dingbat scheduled all off the processor tasks out of sequence creating a race condition.

I was onto that...and he was the only one to agree with me. Anyway I don't work with that company and boss anymore.

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posted December 30, 2023 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This sounds like a reality show in the making.

I’m not going to tell you to not hate your dad, but do you really think that all Scorpio’s are like him?

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posted December 31, 2023 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn’t interpret the post as being about all Scorpios, just toxic and unevolved Scorpio placements generally. I’ve seen this behavior with Scorpio moons and ACs too, even when the sun is different.

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posted December 31, 2023 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’ve experienced it with people who have no Scorpio.

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posted January 04, 2024 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for peregrine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sonds lok sombodeh got stonnnggg.

Lmao

Sadly I have noticed that personal declarations of “Phoenix”-hood as a preface to narcissistic vitriol has become about as commonplace as people playing the “psychic” card to shield their irrational emotional biases

Sad because some of my all-time favorite ppl in life have been Scorpios. I also believe there are people out there who have genuine psychic abilities…

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posted January 04, 2024 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angryant2021     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The guide to dealing with toxic people should be blank, i.e., don't put up with them at all.....

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posted January 06, 2024 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for plutonianmenace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sashavittoria:
I didn’t interpret the post as being about all Scorpios, just toxic and unevolved Scorpio placements generally. I’ve seen this behavior with Scorpio moons and ACs too, even when the sun is different.

Ignore him/her, they just get self-righteous out of nowhere. It is funny to see how the response has been but I am glad this guide is changing lives.

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posted January 06, 2024 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a Scorpio moon who hated my Scorpio moon co-worker to the point that I would fart in the same room as her and give zero effs that she had to breathe it. She deserved it.

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posted January 06, 2024 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Ignore him/her, they just get self-righteous out of nowhere. It is funny to see how the response has been but I am glad this guide is changing lives.

I didn’t. I actually felt some empathy for you, you’re just too defensive to notice. Your entire post was self-righteous, and toxic.

And I’m a woman.

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posted January 07, 2024 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGemV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm a Scorpio moon who hated my Scorpio moon co-worker to the point that I would fart in the same room as her and give zero effs that she had to breathe it. She deserved it.

I've had a mixed relationship with coworkers that have scorpio aspects.

When it comes to tech interviews (I'm a developer) they've always given me the best breaks them and Pisces suns.

There's sorta an intuitive vibe coworkers with Pisces and Scorpio aspects give me.

I'm more of the quiet type that doesn't say more then what's asked. I will observe and connect the dots then decide.

It's kinda like the scorpio aspected person knows I'm hiding a skill or something and wants to dig deeper to find what that is.

Most people in the tech field will brag and over exaggerate what they can and can't do because it's gotten competitive in Canada, it's no California and now Texas.

I'm the opposite, I stay quiet unless you know for sure these are the people you know you can work with and advance in the field.

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posted January 07, 2024 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoldenSword     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Stawr wish it was me.

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posted January 07, 2024 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoldenSword     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well done guide, I liked the gemini checkmate part.

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I've had a mixed relationship with coworkers that have scorpio aspects.

I find scorpios to be low key with their skills, and maybe this is where projection comes in... They assume you're also hiding some skill. In my team we have my scorpio jupiter, a scorpio moon, a scorpio venus, and 3 scorpio suns. We all respect each other and no one brags, in fact we all laugh about ourselves.

Surprisingly I find their opposite, taureans to be the most difficult. They like to talk about themselves and how busy they are. How they have so many projects, and when you ask more, it turns out their "project" is to rewrite the employee nboarding document. The types who take their "******** jobs" seriously. Small things are big deals to them. Whereas for scorpio, small and big deals are hidden...

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posted January 07, 2024 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
plutonianmenace

As a Gemini rising I love spilling the tea. I learned to spill wisely though. Especially in social circles.

My Scorpio hates my privacy being invaded. But I think Uranus is making me deal with that so I am stronger than my foes.

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posted January 07, 2024 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I've had a mixed relationship with coworkers that have scorpio aspects.

When it comes to tech interviews (I'm a developer) they've always given me the best breaks them and Pisces suns.

There's sorta an intuitive vibe coworkers with Pisces and Scorpio aspects give me.

I'm more of the quiet type that doesn't say more then what's asked. I will observe and connect the dots then decide.

It's kinda like the scorpio aspected person knows I'm hiding a skill or something and wants to dig deeper to find what that is.

Most people in the tech field will brag and over exaggerate what they can and can't do because it's gotten competitive in Canada, it's no California and now Texas.

I'm the opposite, I stay quiet unless you know for sure these are the people you know you can work with and advance in the field.

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I agree so much! I have all the water signs in my chart. as well as Capricorn and Taurus in my chart. But then I got the clashing Leo and Aquarius in my chart. Scorpio's are such a hit or miss for me. (well really the women I should say.)

I have GREAT chemistry with anyone with Scorpio in the early degrees. Because I have Jupiter cancer 4 deg, Venus Pisces 6 deg, and Uranus Capricorn 8 deg.

Still learning everyone's signs at my new job.

But my last job my Scorpio boss was a workaholic and expected others to do the same. She turned into Karenzilla when I quit.

Bullying Scorpio's cannot stand it when you don't pay attention to them, and disregard them like the scum they are.

My Aquarius stellilum and 11th house sun will ice them out...and will click up with other people we associate with and exclude them...and go out and do fun things with other people and they wont be invited. I did this to a Nov 1st Scorpio. And they would try to confront other people and me why they weren't invited. I already told MY FRIENDS (yeah it's like that) how rudely she would treat me.

Unevolved Scorpio's also do not like the person they are hatting on being in the spotlight. They don't like to admit they are jealous. So they do the whole dismissing, one upping, attempt to knock down a peg. For how much they can't stand me being in the spotlight and having attention they sure are obsessed with me. And that kind of sends the universe a confusing message now doesn't it? Once I had enough of my ex sister in laws attitude I made sure to GLOAT anytime I received a compliment in front of her. Also flirt with their man! If you are going to be treated as a threat, might as well just be one.

I have such love and loyalty for Venus Scorpio coworkers. We keep each others secrets. So validating.

That is cool that you don't have to talk about what you've done. I'm sure people can just know with out you having to say anything.
As my tripple Scorpio sister would say (pluto, rising, venus) "If someone has to tell you they are great, they probably aren't great."
I'm glad you've worked with some good Scorpios.

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@Stawr wish it was me.

I usually go in the other room. I would even look at her like "I did that and there is nothing you can do, and I will do it again"

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This is a funny thread but toxic as heck!

I do agree, with the OP, that there's way too much Scorpio bypassing, sometimes, when it comes to Scorpios (and even Plutonians for that matter) the past ~24 years, or so! Since the turn of the Millennium there was a trend towards Scorpio love, and I do love them, but they are flawed just like any other sign.

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I actually thought the instructional bit of this post was for written entertainment/cathartic purposes. Like the obvious joke being that this is how a toxic/unevolved Scorpio would respond to their own bs.

Some of these comments make me feel like a confused old grandma who accidentally wandered on set in a scene from Grease. I’m grimacing and shaking my head and I also just can’t tell what’s real any more.

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posted January 13, 2024 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Librapurr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by peregrine:
I actually thought the instructional bit of this post was for written entertainment/cathartic purposes. Like the obvious joke being that this is how a toxic/unevolved Scorpio would respond to their own bs.

Some of these comments make me feel like a confused old grandma who accidentally wandered on set in a scene from Grease. I’m grimacing and shaking my head and I also just can’t tell what’s real any more.



Oh, this’s for real. However, inflated. When I acknowledged what kind of crazy ******* games people were capable of, it took me long time to get how this’s not a joke.

One don’t need to have Scorpio to do toxic games.

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