posted March 03, 2024 12:12 AM            

P.S. to the moderators, I won't make another rising sign thread for a few months (like at least six months, or more)! I'll stop, and rest, after this one!

posted March 03, 2024 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by SleepyDiary:
I have no idea what his Rising sign is but i checked his chart on Astrotheme for the first time and now i can see what in his chart that might explain some of his attitude. His rudeness and bluntness definitivly comes from his double Sag influence and his Sun and Moon square Mars aspects. This guy has also been accused of raping women so that dangerious aggressiveness i feel comes from his hard Mars aspects on his Sun and Moon and jupiter on his Mars and Sun his libido is way out of control.

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My opinion, is that he's a Virgo rising!

Other ideas I have about his rising sign:
-Scorpio
-Sagittarius
-Capricorn

posted March 04, 2024 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Something in mutable. I haven't done transit analysis/progressions though so it's a wild random guess because.... well..He just annoys the isht out of me. And I usually feel like that about mutable Asc signs.

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Well I do guess that he's a Virgo rising! Haha!

posted March 08, 2024 11:46 PM            

That's why I believe he may be a Virgo rising!

posted March 09, 2024 08:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Preppyarcher7989Wiff:
I saw a picture of Andrew Tate from around age 16. He looked very cerebral, and just because he wore glasses! It was because he moved like he had a lot of thoughts, and even today, he talks like he's very analytical!

That's why I believe he may be a Virgo rising!

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Oops, a typo. I didn't mean "and just because he wore glasses!," I meant, "*and not just because he wore glasses!," oh God, bad error!

posted March 10, 2024 05:54 AM            

The latter is just courtesy, it's not a must. 🙏🏿

#back to Andrew.

Andrew is another one that doesn't have that many personal life events recorded on Wiki. His parents divorced in 1997, his Father died in 2015 . And then he got arrested in 2022.

What I can pick up from him is that there is strong Sat influence in his chart. So no matter the Asc , he will come across very Saturnian I.e. cold, "mean", harsh, stiff or inflexible, judgemental/critical, serious/sober, concerned with status/achievement etc.

He is (admittedly) not an ugly guy. Saturn does however add a certain layer of paleness in looks(for Caucasian influenced males) that makes them look like they are devoid of warmth. Which is the case with Tate.

Saturn is on his Sun/Moon midpoint. And not only that, but it conjuncts both individually. For me, the Saturn-Moon contact suggests that there is some resentment with his Mom.He is obligated to her . But he does not like her.

This would also explain his stance on women. How he always wants them to be "subservient" to him.When I read stuff of his sexual exploits,i picked up that he seems preoccupied with external acts of aggression on women I.e. beating, choking, binding etc. All Saturn related themes of machismo and sadism.

The interesting thing however is that Andrew(self proclaimed "alpha male") is very evasive about his personal life. He doesn't wilfully disclose whether he is dating someone OR has children.

This should be a red flag for anyone who follows him because one would think that the man who proclaims himself to be "alpha", should have the evidence to back that claim up.Or atleast be more transparent about his intimate relationships? Since he gives so much advice about how to handle the opposite sex 🤷🏿‍♂️

I suspect that much like Candace Owens, he is all fake and bravado for the cameras.So nothing much to see here.

This is someone who overstates their materialism; hence the praise for his Father because that is the outward visible "masculine" principle of "success ". The Sun is also about worldly acclaim and achievement.

But he trivializes the mother; the "feminine" principle of inward focus and relationship building with the inner self.

This is not suprising.Saturn men don't have much luck with partnerships. They tend to be dislodged from their inner feminine and project it on to their partner. As such they look for companions with "exquisite" looks or glaring displays of femininity/ masculinity (depending on orientation).

This means attracting a partner who is outwardly uber feminine/masculine I.e. women who love wearing heels, forever "dolled up" or men who are into body building and excessive displays of machismo.

These partners are themselves typically externally "shiny"(Moon) -very good-looking and eye catching too. But much like the Moon,internally insecure/ shifting or unstable.

Sat men usually attract these partners with their status and what they "have" I.e. money, power, exquisitely chiselled looks etc.But it's hardly ever with their personality or warmth i.e.The internal stuff. Saturn is too cold and offputting.

So their strategy is always to get the money, maintain the looks,build the repertoire in the tangible "haves". And then when that is done, the partners will come.

Thus the Saturn man rarely enjoys warmth in his relationships. He is "accepted" only for what he brings to the table. Which makes him obsessed with bringing in more or maintaining what is already there.

Ironically, this puts him deeper into a mentality that he is only appreciated for what he "has". And not who he "is". And this mentality makes him think that partnerships "take" from him. And he is forever obligated to ""work"(Sat) for tenderness.

For Tate, this perspective is perhaps why he thinks that manhood is defined by external "haves" ? The cars, the cigar and the "model" women?

Now when stepping away from the dynamics of Sat relationships, its interesting to note that Saturn(associated with rules) does not always start off that way for the natives ruled by this planet.

I have noted (for instance) that Saturnian men can be the type to push boundaries and act "badass" when young. Always talking about non-conformance and flipping the bird to authority etc.

But once they do get to experience the consequences of their boundary breaking, they get a taste of reality and tone down.

They then do a 180 and become the very authority enforcer and rule follower that they were so intent on being far from.

I think the same will happen with Andrew. He will conform. And I think some of the evidence of that ,is him trying to centre himself via religion.

I think that this is a person who WANTS to be reigned in and told what to do. Someone who WANTS to follow something real & truthful and be a devotee towards it's preservation.

He is on the search to find whatever that thing is . And when he does, people will be surprised to find that Andrew is no longer the "tough talking" influencer he once was.

Another example of this is the once infamously "Famous for being famous " Paris Hilton (Saturn conj Mc). She was not exactly a "boundary pusher" like Tate. But certainly enjoyed creating hype around her-even if it meant being a little random & chaotic.

Saturn natives have this relationship with chaos and control.When young, they can be so desperate for guidance and structure, they may go the extreme opposite way in order to get attention. Or act in ways to suggest that they are "out of control".

posted March 10, 2024 06:21 AM            

This year should be interesting for Tate. There will be a lot of growing up that he is forced to do. I suspect there will be less controversial statements made.

posted March 10, 2024 06:53 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
There are a lot of men who use religion to prop up their misogynist views. If he’s into religion, I can see him using it that way. They expect the wife to “honour and obey”. I recently read that the person who created attachment styles, was a Christian man, but I haven’t read up on that.

It has me thinking about the trad wife accounts and out there, pushing that a woman’s work is 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, in the home. Only these women are making money through Instagram and TikTok, so they aren’t financially dependent on their husbands. Which is a good thing, in my opinion. But they’re acting like they are dependent on them.

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Yes, Sagittarius and religion! If Andrew Tate does have Virgo rising, and his Sun and Moon are both in Sagittarius, then it's possible he has Sun and Moon both in the 4th house, the Cancer related house. Which may explain why he's so emotional!

posted March 10, 2024 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
You can edit your post at any time. Just write "[edited] "for others to see that the post may have changed.

The latter is just courtesy, it's not a must. 🙏🏿

#back to Andrew.

Andrew is another one that doesn't have that many personal life events recorded on Wiki. His parents divorced in 1997, his Father died in 2015 . And then he got arrested in 2022.

What I can pick up from him is that there is strong Sat influence in his chart. So no matter the Asc , he will come across very Saturnian I.e. cold, "mean", harsh, stiff or inflexible, judgemental/critical, serious/sober, concerned with status/achievement etc.

He is (admittedly) not an ugly guy. Saturn does however add a certain layer of paleness in looks(for Caucasian influenced males) that makes them look like they are devoid of warmth. Which is the case with Tate.

Saturn is on his Sun/Moon midpoint. And not only that, but it conjuncts both individually. For me, the Saturn-Moon contact suggests that there is some resentment with his Mom.He is obligated to her . But he does not like her.

This would also explain his stance on women. How he always wants them to be "subservient" to him.When I read stuff of his sexual exploits,i picked up that he seems preoccupied with external acts of aggression on women I.e. beating, choking, binding etc. All Saturn related themes of machismo and sadism.

The interesting thing however is that Andrew(self proclaimed "alpha male") is very evasive about his personal life. He doesn't wilfully disclose whether he is dating someone OR has children.

This should be a red flag for anyone who follows him because one would think that the man who proclaims himself to be "alpha", should have the evidence to back that claim up.Or atleast be more transparent about his intimate relationships? Since he gives so much advice about how to handle the opposite sex 🤷🏿‍♂️

I suspect that much like Candace Owens, he is all fake and bravado for the cameras.So nothing much to see here.

This is someone who overstates their materialism; hence the praise for his Father because that is the outward visible "masculine" principle of "success ". The Sun is also about worldly acclaim and achievement.

But he trivializes the mother; the "feminine" principle of inward focus and relationship building with the inner self.

This is not suprising.Saturn men don't have much luck with partnerships. They tend to be dislodged from their inner feminine and project it on to their partner. As such they look for companions with "exquisite" looks or glaring displays of femininity/ masculinity (depending on orientation).

This means attracting a partner who is outwardly uber feminine/masculine I.e. women who love wearing heels, forever "dolled up" or men who are into body building and excessive displays of machismo.

These partners are themselves typically externally "shiny"(Moon) -very good-looking and eye catching too. But much like the Moon,internally insecure/ shifting or unstable.

Sat men usually attract these partners with their status and what they "have" I.e. money, power, exquisitely chiselled looks etc.But it's hardly ever with their personality or warmth i.e.The internal stuff. Saturn is too cold and offputting.

So their strategy is always to get the money, maintain the looks,build the repertoire in the tangible "haves". And then when that is done, the partners will come.

Thus the Saturn man rarely enjoys warmth in his relationships. He is "accepted" only for what he brings to the table. Which makes him obsessed with bringing in more or maintaining what is already there.

Ironically, this puts him deeper into a mentality that he is only appreciated for what he "has". And not who he "is". And this mentality makes him think that partnerships "take" from him. And he is forever obligated to ""work"(Sat) for tenderness.

For Tate, this perspective is perhaps why he thinks that manhood is defined by external "haves" ? The cars, the cigar and the "model" women?

Now when stepping away from the dynamics of Sat relationships, its interesting to note that Saturn(associated with rules) does not always start off that way for the natives ruled by this planet.

I have noted (for instance) that Saturnian men can be the type to push boundaries and act "badass" when young. Always talking about non-conformance and flipping the bird to authority etc.

But once they do get to experience the consequences of their boundary breaking, they get a taste of reality and tone down.

They then do a 180 and become the very authority enforcer and rule follower that they were so intent on being far from.

I think the same will happen with Andrew. He will conform. And I think some of the evidence of that ,is him trying to centre himself via religion.

I think that this is a person who WANTS to be reigned in and told what to do. Someone who WANTS to follow something real & truthful and be a devotee towards it's preservation.

He is on the search to find whatever that thing is . And when he does, people will be surprised to find that Andrew is no longer the "tough talking" influencer he once was.

Another example of this is the once infamously "Famous for being famous " Paris Hilton (Saturn conj Mc). She was not exactly a "boundary pusher" like Tate. But certainly enjoyed creating hype around her-even if it meant being a little random & chaotic.

Saturn natives have this relationship with chaos and control.When young, they can be so desperate for guidance and structure, they may go the extreme opposite way in order to get attention. Or act in ways to suggest that they are "out of control".

When older however, they start to calm down and conform. This especially when they get more structure into their lives I.e. marriage, children, a steady career, responsibilities etc.

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I feel like it's weird being a Saturnian before age 30. Everyone around you is acting like a 15 year old, and they may very well be 15 years old. But, you acted like a 30 year old when you were 6 years old, so you feel like you're in a weird position bodily position, like you're a literal 30 year old inside a 6 year old, or 16 year old's body. And finally, you can feel like you're stuck in a weird position, like a person diagonally positioned in an elevator, or something. Or, like a fetus that's upside down, in a mother's womb.

So you feel awkward. I say this as someone with a 10th house stellium. It may also play a part in why some Capricorns, or Saturnians, don't have many friends when they're young!

posted March 13, 2024 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
He was just arrested again.

A streamer apparently read his messages last week, saying that he was going to leave Romania.

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Thank you for the update. Sounds like it's a Saturn transit that's hard for him.

Saturn in Pisces is squaring his Sagittarius stellium. And perhaps Saturn is transitting his 7th house if his ascendant sign is in Virgo, like I believe!

posted March 14, 2024 02:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Preppyarcher7989Wiff:
I feel like it's weird being a Saturnian before age 30. Everyone around you is acting like a 15 year old, and they may very well be 15 years old. But, you acted like a 30 year old when you were 6 years old, so you feel like you're in a weird position bodily position, like you're a literal 30 year old inside a 6 year old, or 16 year old's body. And finally, you can feel like you're stuck in a weird position, like a person diagonally positioned in an elevator, or something. Or, like a fetus that's upside down, in a mother's womb.

So you feel awkward. I say this as someone with a 10th house stellium. It may also play a part in why some Capricorns, or Saturnians, don't have many friends when they're young!

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I see this mostly in females. Not to say males don't experience it. But the examples I know of are those of females.

Saturn is the early bloomer in as far as responsibilities goes. But is the late bloomer in terms of pleasures or (rather) allowing oneself to enjoy pleasures.Sat almost always feels really awkward with so called "frivolity ".

Like Jupiter ruled women(who are often least aware of their beauty) and too busy fighting for the rights of others or the disenfranchised etc.Saturn women also get a little out of touch with their sexuality and *by societies standards* seem yo be rigid/serious in nature when relating to them,unfairly getting the label of being "the ice queen".

Saturn women are not easily impressed. And if they are,they are more to smirk than smile. More towards stoicism than outright flamboyant expression. "I am happy" is expressed as "I don't feel all that bad". The cup is always half empty, life is often viewed from a "less" perspective etc.

So they will often avoid or even be terrified of relating to others in the romantic sense. Many of us do,l actually. Its a mix of terror and excitement. But to Saturn, it can feel like only terror. Rejection and "humiliation" is something they deeply fear - this especially when it comes to inner feelings. They are not "brave".

With men(as I said)there's a big preoccupation with status. So it wouldn't be unusual for the Saturn men to overstate their appeal (in terms of the romantic mate)when coversing with others. They do this to win approval from the audience's approval.

posted March 14, 2024 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
He was just arrested again.

A streamer apparently read his messages last week, saying that he was going to leave Romania.

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posted March 14, 2024 09:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
😑😑....he is so boring🤦🏿‍♂️

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posted March 17, 2024 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Preppyarcher7989Wiff:
I do find Andrew corny! And funny to parody!

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posted March 17, 2024 10:23 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
lol, me too. Especially since he hates, and hurts women.

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I'm still on the fence about whether he committed his crimes! Things are still very blurry, as of right now!

posted April 07, 2024 02:27 AM            

Is jail his karma? Or, at least this year will be a time for him to look, and rearrange his priorities, morals, and values?