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Dons2angelss
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posted April 15, 2024 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My son's empathy is off the charts. To the point of being almost debilitating. He doesn't watch movies oe TV for fear of a sad scene. He doesn't read books for the same reason. He won't even stay in the room if I'm reading a book to someone else. He gets extremely emotional if he sees a commercial for shelter animals, litter on the ground, rainbows, willow trees, etc etc. Anyway, I try my best to help him get past it but he holds into the negative for a long time. I'm struggling to help him find ways that work to move past things. Here's his chart, I don't really see where in his chart this extreme sensitivity is coming from.

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posted April 16, 2024 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 17, 2024 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vansio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
help him learn a musical instrument , like violin

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posted April 17, 2024 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by vansio:
help him learn a musical instrument , like violin

He doesn't have much of an interest in playing anything yet but he does love to draw and he's quite good at it.

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posted April 17, 2024 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angryant2021     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With the chiron pisces opposing his chart ruler, he either is incredibly sensitive to the pains of others or feels victimized himself.

It sounds like he doesn't know how to deal with these emotions, but just to avoid them which is not really possible in this world.. With the 9th and 11th house planets, the needs/wants/opinions of the collective likely influence his actions very much. Perhaps, he is the type to love humanity but criticize the individual. High-level conversations are probably easy for him, but when it comes to 1-1 in depth chats it can be quite uncomfortable.. With all the air/water in the chart it can be difficult to be grounded.

Drawing sounds like a good way to escape, but it doesn't really solve the problem. Does he have trouble making friends or feeling included?

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posted April 17, 2024 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amoranthaniela     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is part of his path in life, and it is only natural he feels this way. What he is experiencing is a gift. He will learn to stay more grounded and get stronger as he ages, but for now he needs intense psychic protection and help from you as his parent.

At some point in the future when he is an adult, he will likely do some work that involves healing others or understanding them in some way, so this part of him is paving the way for that future. His 9th house is really showing what he came here to do. He's got a lot of spirituality inside of him which he's here to share.

As for what you can do now, if interested, is get him some grounding and stabilizing crystals to wear. Onyx and mahogany/red obsidian work great for this. Avoid getting the black obsidian because that can be too harsh.

Spend lots of time in nature with him if possible. I do wonder if his gift extends to picking up emotions from plants and animals?

If you don't have a cat, perhaps getting one as a pet would be good, as they are emotionally and spiritually protective. They can even help show you if a certain person is not a good match for you both or has bad energies.

Another thing that's good for that type of person is salt baths. Swimming in a salty beach will do, but if you can't do that, if you have a bath tub, perhaps once a week letting him bathe in a salt bath will help as it is quite cleansing and grounding, and removes residual negative energies. A big cup of table salt will do, though more is always okay. Just put the amount that feels needed.

Hope that helps and good luck with your special little empath <3

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posted April 17, 2024 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How long has this been going on?

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posted April 17, 2024 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't see a pattern in the natal chart. Maybe is due to T. Pluto being conjunct his Moon? It is a heavy transit and like the other poster said, he might feel victimized himself.

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posted April 17, 2024 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I noticed your son has Libra Venus inconjunct Pisces Neptune, a very sensitive and creative combination. An inconjunct is very tricky, both signs have trouble understanding each other. And both planets are also in their home sign so they both have a very easy expression of their qualities. With an inconjunct these two planets are having a very awkward conversation with each other. None of the other planets are in domicile or exaltation, so Venus and Neptune are kind of loud in his chart.

And as a Scorpio Sun, a water sign, heís also sensitive to his surroundings. His orientation in life is based on ďfeelingĒ. His Sun is sextile Jupiter, ruler of his 12th house and ancient ruler of Pisces. This adds to the sensitivity.

There are some other notable placements too, like Saturn (co-ruler of the 1st house of identity) on the 12th house cusp square his Neptune. He could have some strong fears (Saturn) with regards to his sensitivity (12th house and Neptune). This is however something that can get better with time as he matures.

Edit: itís a good idea to check transits. It can be Pluto conjunct Moon, but it doesnít have to be. Saturn is also in Pisces right now and could be triggering that square in your sonís birth chart.

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posted April 17, 2024 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Isa:
I don't see a pattern in the natal chart. Maybe is due to T. Pluto being conjunct his Moon? It is a heavy transit and like the other poster said, he might feel victimized himself.

My eldest son has his Moon in the first degrees of Aquarius as well. Heís 14 now, and I kind of expected some very dramatic displays of hormones. But so far, itís fairly smooth sailing. However, he is very much into zombie series right now, like ďthe walking deadĒ and ďthe last of usĒ. But thatís also one way Pluto can show up, as a fascination for darker topics.😁

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posted April 17, 2024 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Amoranthaniela:
This is part of his path in life, and it is only natural he feels this way. What he is experiencing is a gift. He will learn to stay more grounded and get stronger as he ages, but for now he needs intense psychic protection and help from you as his parent.

At some point in the future when he is an adult, he will likely do some work that involves healing others or understanding them in some way, so this part of him is paving the way for that future. His 9th house is really showing what he came here to do. He's got a lot of spirituality inside of him which he's here to share.

As for what you can do now, if interested, is get him some grounding and stabilizing crystals to wear. Onyx and mahogany/red obsidian work great for this. Avoid getting the black obsidian because that can be too harsh.

Spend lots of time in nature with him if possible. I do wonder if his gift extends to picking up emotions from plants and animals?

If you don't have a cat, perhaps getting one as a pet would be good, as they are emotionally and spiritually protective. They can even help show you if a certain person is not a good match for you both or has bad energies.

Another thing that's good for that type of person is salt baths. Swimming in a salty beach will do, but if you can't do that, if you have a bath tub, perhaps once a week letting him bathe in a salt bath will help as it is quite cleansing and grounding, and removes residual negative energies. A big cup of table salt will do, though more is always okay. Just put the amount that feels needed.

Hope that helps and good luck with your special little empath <3


Thank you for this reply. I myself have always had crystals and cats around me at all times and he absolutely loves cats and they flock to him. Whdn he cries, our cats run to him and sit on his lap. He wears necklaces that carry crystals and we can change them out. I will definitely try the salt baths. He's constantly questioning me about God/Jesus or religion in general. I try to answer as much as I can but his grandmother (she's native American) has taken on the main teacher of his spirituality (as is tradition in their tribe). He is extremely drawn to all things animals and nature and does pick up on other people's feelings/pain. I've done that my whole life and over the years have learned how to block it out but he's much stronger than I was and I don't think he'll be able to do that like I have.

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posted April 17, 2024 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by angryant2021:
With the chiron pisces opposing his chart ruler, he either is incredibly sensitive to the pains of others or feels victimized himself.

It sounds like he doesn't know how to deal with these emotions, but just to avoid them which is not really possible in this world.. With the 9th and 11th house planets, the needs/wants/opinions of the collective likely influence his actions very much. Perhaps, he is the type to love humanity but criticize the individual. High-level conversations are probably easy for him, but when it comes to 1-1 in depth chats it can be quite uncomfortable.. With all the air/water in the chart it can be difficult to be grounded.

Drawing sounds like a good way to escape, but it doesn't really solve the problem. Does he have trouble making friends or feeling included?


He can fit in with a group but yes, he does have trouble with 1-1. I recently gained custody of my nephew (he's 2 years younger) and they both have Pluto in the 1st house so they're learning how to be 1-1 with each other and so far it's going really well. They're very close and get upset when they're apart.

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posted April 17, 2024 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
How long has this been going on?

His whole life

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posted April 17, 2024 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
My eldest son has his Moon in the first degrees of Aquarius as well. Heís 14 now, and I kind of expected some very dramatic displays of hormones. But so far, itís fairly smooth sailing. However, he is very much into zombie series right now, like ďthe walking deadĒ and ďthe last of usĒ. But thatís also one way Pluto can show up, as a fascination for darker topics.😁


My son's favorite show is the x files 😂 he loves aliens.

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posted April 17, 2024 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dons2angelss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't even think about tr Pluto being on his moon. In December of last year my nephew came to live with us permanently. He's 2 years younger than my son and they are extremely close. It's crazy because a for a couple of months before my nephew came, my son was asking me for a little brother. He'd never asked about that before, I think he knew something was about to change. It was very sudden that my nephew came to live with us, even I didn't predict that.

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posted April 18, 2024 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Isa:
I don't see a pattern in the natal chart. Maybe is due to T. Pluto being conjunct his Moon? It is a heavy transit and like the other poster said, he might feel victimized himself.

I also don't see anything hectic going on in his chart that would speak of such heightened sensitivity.

But when the thread author said that the child has been like this "their whole life "? I don't know what else to say.🤷🏿‍♂️

Yes,the ruler of the Asc(Sat)is in the 12th house.But it doesn't scream at me. I thought something else would. But still nothing.

Solar Arc Asc would be in Cap 5Deg squaring natal Mars/Ven .That would make one touchy.

Trans Nep square Asc would be the sensitivity.

But both of these are more transient than they are permanent.

Even Plu-moon would be aligned to somethimg transit related . Not natal.🤔

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posted April 18, 2024 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Preppyarcher7989Wiff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn in his natal 12th house! So sensitive and maybe even psychic!

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posted April 19, 2024 02:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with ^


I can't say which aspect could parallel but you described me. Seriously, I barely watch TV or movies and when I see anything graphic, violence, sad or inhumane I check out. I can't socially watch many forms of entertainment. This has been my situation only (in extreme) the last 20ish years.

I share your son's
rising, points, nodes,we're both aqua moons
, people usually nullify the sensitivity of aqua moons but I feel these people just don't burden other's with their sensitivity, they hide it well - speaking as one.


I agree with the saturn point brought up but it is in it's true house yet rules the moon to your son. So heavy mature emotions. Someone whom can relate to the low vibration as to recoil in taking it in. Feeling an emotional connection to those in film sad, hurt etc. Chiron, Neptune.

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
I agree with ^


I can't say which aspect could parallel but you described me. Seriously, I barely watch TV or movies and when I see anything graphic, violence, sad or inhumane I check out. I can't socially watch many forms of entertainment. This has been my situation only (in extreme) the last 20ish years.

I share your son's
rising, points, nodes,we're both aqua moons
, people usually nullify the sensitivity of aqua moons but I feel these people just don't burden other's with their sensitivity, they hide it well - speaking as one.


I agree with the saturn point brought up but it is in it's true house yet rules the moon to your son. So heavy mature emotions. Someone whom can relate to the low vibration as to recoil in taking it in. Feeling an emotional connection to those in film sad, hurt etc. Chiron, Neptune.

*editing


Thank you!

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posted April 20, 2024 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome Preppyarcher.

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posted April 21, 2024 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This bothered me for days. And it finally occurred to me that I didn't look at Midpoints. These are sometimes hidden aspects that help clarify what is going on within the native.🤦🏿‍♂️

Bingo! His Sun/Moon midpoint (29Sag) = Asc degree tightly(26 Sag).

The Sun and Moon is the overall internal (Moon) and externally (Sun) expressed personality of the native. It is called the midpoint and is conj the Asc(body/ external impression and immediate reactions)in his case.

This suggests someone who tends toward wearing their heart very much on their sleeve. They find it difficult to conceal feelings and can find themselves easily worked up by external things seen,read or heard etc.

Very similar to someone who has Moon/Asc conj, the Sun/Moon midpoint conj Asc person has their body(1st house) actively express emotions as they come.

For instance, there are physical actions to express anger I.e. stomping feet, punching walls , grinding teeth or slamming doors. And then joy can also be expressed through howling laughter, slapping ones hand on the knee, or rubbing ones tummy whilst rolling on the floor laughing etc.

Things tend to take on extreme (external) expressions. So sometimes it may come across to those outside the native as "exaggerated" or even "melodramatic" (this especially when one is sad).

Mars(02Lib) close to that Sun/Moon midpoint (29Sag) would suggest that irritability or discontent over something one doesn't like, is obvious and readily expressed.

Much like a toddler, elation or excitement is also enthusiastically expressed. So once again it may sound like I am repeating when I say,this person rarely can hide how they feel. The environment affects them as readily as they affect the environment. It goes on and on in a loop.

People don't often think of Mars as sensitive. Yes. Mars doesn't have the ability to ingest and retain the hurt like the Moon. But it is Mars in a chart that can make us very protective and reactive to hurt I.e. scream in rage, hit something or someone or even self harm.

How do you feel hurt if you are not sensitive to it? Saturn is stoic and tends to mute pain. Mars is not and let's the pain felt be known.

The sensitivity comes from that Sun/Moon midpoint on their Asc & natal Mars. And it is getting a hit tight now in intensity from transiting Neptune.

So you are likely to get explosive episodes of expressed aggression from hurt and /or tears from frustration that come very suddenly. And yet go away quickly without any word as to where they came from.

Watch specifically to his mood and attitude between the 25th of April( when Mars in 25Pis will arc to square his Sat Sag26 and Sun/Moon midpoint @29) and the 5th of May( when transiting Mars Air 3 will square his natal Mars). He may be more touchy and irritable around that time.

Trans Saturn will cross the Asc and hit Sun/Moon and natal Mars next year Sep/Oct. I don't know whether there will be a milestone to cross there ? I.e. transition from childhood to teenhood or some additional responsibility taken? But it will be a challenging time for him emotionally.

The progressed Moon will be in Gem 25 and experience a square aspect from Nep/Sat jointly.

So there will be a feeling of being confined by circumstances and not really being able to freely be oneself around that time too. This will be either domestic or school related.

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posted May 09, 2024 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He's scorpio Sun and Mercury.

It sounds like he should see a psychiatrist just to be sure he's okay.

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Itís notorious Scorpio often take things very personal. The Sun mercury exact conjunction in Scorpio is a strong mix of conscious and unconscious energy what might create confusions. And its ancient ruler being in Detriment.

It would need a lot of care to make a safe space for his empathic side and teach him to show empathy without taking it too hard on himself.
He might need some faith, philosophy, protecting things to guide him and give a safe bridge for his energy.
Also, his AC ruler opp. Chiron. And Jupiter tend to exaggerate things in different directions.

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posted May 10, 2024 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGemV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Initially I wasn't going to chime in.

If I recall several posts ago you had mentioned that your son was diagnosed with ASD.

The sensitivity level effects each ASD individual differently.

The first college I attended I was paired with another ASD student who had a similar chart as your son and yes he was extremely sensitive!!!.

He only became less sensitive when he'd see how focused I was on certain topics then he started to take more of an interest.

I can be a bit more obsessive, so that's how ASD effects me.

I don't think you can change him, but you can do things to make it easier for him when he has those empathetic moments.

I'd suggest turning his bedroom into a comfort room whenever he needs those moments with items and things he's familiar with.

My home office is sorta like that. Although there calling back all the tech people to work 3 days in the office.

This might be worth a try and a good distraction for him.

I recommend you get him a 3D printer that way he can sorta distract himself from the negativity in the world.

This is one of the easiest printers on the market and it's cheap. $160 USD very easy to use, the autoleveling helps alot.
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This is so interesting and really relieving to see someone who is like your son have Aqua moon. I also have an Aqua moon and itís always bothered me that we get pegged as ďemotionlessĒ and cold in astrology. I never felt this way about myself.
In fact I was a lot like your son as a child. Like this could have described me.
I always wondered why I was so particularly sensitive in my youth. Iíd cry myself to sleep at night sometimes because I thought about something that made me sad. For me it was thinking about animals like cows and pigs getting butchered in slaughter houses.
I would harp on traumatizing things I saw. Even movies greatly affected me. If a movie was super tragic Iíd have to ask my mom to reassure me itís just a movie not real life.
Too much gore would cause me to lose my appetite for days.
Fortunately and unfortunately, Iíve gotten better. A lot of it probably having to do with my life experience me now that Iím older. Iíve gone through things and had to learn to cope and sort of become more disillusioned from reality. Itís actually something thatís bothered me for a while. Because I really donít believe feelings things that greatly is a flaw. I feel the opposite way about that.
And no I donít have autism, auspergers, or anything like that. I do struggle with ocd, depression, maladaptive daydreaming, and probably adhd. But no personality disorders or autism.
If you donít mind me asking how old is he?
Because if heís still young, I donít doubt that he will be able to cope better as he gets older.

I found myself drawn to God at a young age and praying to him and confiding in him has helped me so much. I donít think Iíd be here today if it wasnít for that.
But I understand ppl have different beliefs so maybe he can find something spiritual to help him? Or maybe music? I also love music and have since I was a child. Itís my escape

Itís interesting because I canít see anything that stands out either for this problem. But life is funny. I know a few ppl with a lot of water placements who arenít even emotional!

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