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Rose06
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posted April 25, 2024 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rose06     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have any of you tried looking at aspects regardless of the orb? Like, for example, if two planets are just making an opposition ONLY via sign and they have a 11 degree orb, but you still take it into account, and look into the aspect and see if it has any relevance.

I know Vedic astrology uses that "method" I guess if you want to call it, but I'm wondering if anyone who is into Tropical astrology has tried that out as well, and if has worked for you or not?

This could be in any chart, natal, synastry, composite, etc. any chart. Have you considered looking at an aspect regardless of the orb it's in?

As for me, I have tried this method a little in me and my boyfriend's composite chart, and I have related to some aspects where the planets were very wide. So I think it is worth looking into.

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angryant2021
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posted April 26, 2024 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angryant2021     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was reading the seminars from Liz greene and howard sasportas, and iirc natal and synastry they went as far as 10 deg. Midpoints and composite should be tighter.

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posted April 26, 2024 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As someone who uses a mix of both vedic and western methods, I would say it doesn't seem wise to believe a planet would lose its effect on another if an orb goes one degree beyond the assigned limit.

I have seem it many times in different people that even an orb of 20 degrees can be felt, especially if the luminaries are involved in one end. And it's likely the case even with Mars, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn.

I believe wider orbs work even in synastry.

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posted April 30, 2024 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemmi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was recently thinking about this issue but in the context of transits.

I am a Virgo Sun and thus affected by the opposition of transiting Neptune in Pisces. We can presume that this opposition is active only within some orbs but I am wondering if this transit does not extend beyond that. Like, since the Sun is the basic energy in individual chart, the transiting Neptune in Pisces will be challenging for all Virgos, regardless of whether the influence is within orbs or not. This would actually explain quite a lot.

Similarly, sometimes synastry is treated like that, in a way that in general Virgos get along with Capricorns and Taurus, regardless of the degree, because these are just basic compatible energies.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted April 30, 2024 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can understand what you mean. It is all very relative for each individual. Kinda like if someone did a hearing test using a bell with different candidates.

Some would hear the bell 20 metres away.
Others need it to be closer.No doubt the closer it gets I.e. 1 metre, the louder it is.But that is not necessarily where everyone starts to pick up reception. Nor is the sound intense for all who are involved.

This to me is similar to transits, natal orbs & synastry etc. All very subjective and arbitrarily setup relative to each individual. Some Astrologers stop at 10 for major aspects. Others at 8 or 6 etc.

Notwithstanding what I said above however,I have always thought that if one feels the strong impact of a planet outside the orbs of 10,it could be one of the following reasons;

1. That planet is making a tighter aspect with your Sun/Moon midpoint or is angular in the chart(if not making aspects with Sun and Moon individually).

2. That planet is in mutual reception with the Sun/Moon I.e. Saturn in Leo for Sun in Aqua. Or Moon in Aries for Mars in Cancer etc. This can be regardless of orb.

3. That planet is aspected via another planet I.e. Sun 10 Virgo, Mercury 16 Virgo, Venus 22 Virgo. Because of the orbs conjunction of Sun to Mercury AND Mercury conj Venus, then Sun and Venus have a relationship of conjunction because of their connection to Mercury.

I find the above is applicable most ardently in natal interpretations. There is usually a pattern that shows up which joins prima facie "widely" aspected planets.

For me, I don't feel the planetary energy of my Uranus Sag. It would be "conjunct" without the orbs.

However,Uranus is still very strong in my chart because of its tight aspect to the Midheaven. And also because Merc/Ura midpoint =Sun and Moon/Ura midpoint =Sun. Both very tight orbs.

There is always something "closer" happening where the energy is more potent and visceral. That is why for me orbs are important.

Maximum is 10 for natal aspects and synastry(this more specifically for conjunctions and oppositions).I stop at 6 for squares & 4 for trines/ sextiles. This includes planets that arc to conj or oppose the angles in natal.In synastry (10 max) and for squares (6 max).

For transits, its 3 for me. That's the max. It matters not whether the planet is personal/transpersonal.Progressions must be tighter (3 to exact) like Midpoints. Same is true of solar arcs(1 degree to exact)applying and separating.


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