posted October 01, 2024 12:38 AM            

It is not even a personal thing as much as it is with many other people I know. Like WTF. I have not seen a job market this bad since perhaps the recession. However, since Pluto was in Capricorn when the recession happened and it was supposed to come back to it this year, is this kind of like its last hurrah?

Like you have had Amazon forcing workers to return to the office and then you have had my situation where companies have dragged you through interviews and played so many games but there are not as many white collar job openings, unless you are extremely experienced.

posted October 01, 2024 11:13 AM            

But, it could be your Saturn in your natal 6th house coming through.

It could be karmic, even if your actions were well intentioned, and any harm unintentional. You might be mad at me for saying this, but I'm sure a lot of people have sown seeds that they didn't intend to sow and/or well intentioned, but it wasn't well received by other people.

Another things, is that it could be your personal transits just manifesting itself through real life.

Good luck. I had to wait for some things too, it sucks, but it's a part of life.

posted October 01, 2024 01:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Preppyarcher7989Wiff:
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It could be karmic, even if your actions were well intentioned, and any harm unintentional. You might be mad at me for saying this, but I'm sure a lot of people have sown seeds that they didn't intend to sow and/or well intentioned, but it wasn't well received by other people.

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“It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness; that is life.” Jean Luc Picard

@plutonianmenace
I believe your a Leo Sun, Leo Asc. When serious problems need serious solutions their one of the best signs I enjoy planning things with.

It's definitely an employers market right now.

So you'll have to find a way to do things differently and not be like the "crowd". Do you have a plan to get back in there that's uniquely different?

I recall seeing a crowd of people line up for a job fair were I live, I'm thinking anyone 10th in the line probably should realize their chances are slim.

probably would have been smarter just to contact the manager and try indirect hiring.

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
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Like you have had Amazon forcing workers to return to the office and then you have had my situation where companies have dragged you through interviews and played so many games but there are not as many white collar job openings, unless you are extremely experienced.

It has me thinking, is all of this like the snake desperately fighting with every inch of its life because it knows it is about to die? Is all of this Capricorn fighting with desperation because it knows it is its last hurrah before it is gone for a while?

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I know what you mean by games and yes it can be frustrating.

Two years ago I was interviewed and put into a pool with 50 other applicants.

I didn't get the job but it didn't matter because I was scooped by a consulting firm.

Ironically, the consulting firm I was working at was contracted out by the company I had the interview with.

While contracted I checked the dates of hire, none of the 50 applicants I was in the pool with were hired.

Apparently they never intended to hire anyone, they just wanted to test the market against their current employees and see were they stand.

Also hiring people from the consulting firm was way easier for them and worked better with their balance sheet compared to hiring someone permeant.

Perhaps you should try applying to work for a consulting firm?

posted October 01, 2024 03:19 PM            

I have been proactive as heck in my job hunt but once again, as soon as you get to the later round of interviews, the games start. They want you to relocate out of nowhere. They say that they no longer want to hire for the role because the company cannot get its stuff together, and these are some big companies too. You have a lot of managers that like you but one higher up comes in at the last round and hates your guts.

Earlier in my job hunt, I did get an offer but the company had red flags written all over it. Very short tenures and when I talked to former employees through social media, they told me to avoid it as the company churns and burns employees and various roles left and right.

My purpose was righteous in this job hunt. I wanted a company I can call a long-term home and rejected a couple of offers earlier that did not fit that mold. Now as I get down to it, I am having to swallow the pill that this may never happen for me and I will be stuck gambling which I hate doing. The job market is not helping at all.

The good companies I see promise in keep playing games.

I cannot even live my life as normal and only spend money on groceries and rent, that is it.

Still, what sucks about this year is that a month ago, my car was parked and some random idiot rammed into it and drove off. This was in a secured parking garage and everything but they don't have cameras so they never caught him, insurance would not cover it.

It is like there is a life I can be living and enjoying now. So much I want to do and get to. But money is an issue because if I do not have a job, I do not have steady or even reliable income. I am having to rely on gig work. At this point, even the Leo optimism in me is dying out a bit after the hellish experience with this god awful job market.

I have not seen games played to this level.

I have not seen companies be this sloppy and unroganized compared to previous years.

I am a the mercy of that and some months, not even enough jobs get posted.

It's like what the heck. My life is on pause and sometimes all I can do is wait for 2025 and hope it is better because 2024 has been one of the toughest years of my life.

See the charts below, cannot get anyone for the life of me to read them these days. Oct 1 transits.

Placidus Oct 1
http://i.imgur.com/PSgsg5Q.png

posted October 01, 2024 04:37 PM            

The company he works for (as an independent contractor), lost his route for him, five years ago next month - just before Thanksgiving - so he was scrambling, and working too hard, to make ends meet, because he was scared. He ended up getting a good route, Spring of 2020, as everyone was ordering things in (those who could), and he got the mail bag route, which was guaranteed work. So he was doing fine, until the Spring of last year, when they gave him the birthday present, of an announcement that they'd lost the mail bag routes. His company also just lost pharmaceuticals, so those workers who delivered them, no longer have a job.

So, he's been scrambling ever since. I was in hell, barely existing, so I wasn't in any shape to help, but I started to try, last October. I need to find something from home, or part-time, just because, but also because my dad's deliveries are still just getting us by, and NOW, there is a strike, affecting shipments. We have always just been getting by, but money has been tighter and tighter, and this isn't Biden's fault, or the worker's fault. It's the ******* company.

posted October 01, 2024 05:18 PM            

In my head I am like b*tch I don't want love or travel, I want a freaking job. I want my life back. I want to put food on the table. I want actual money instead of measly gig money coming in. I want to not have to burn through my savings. I want to not have to sell my investments.

Screw traveling.

Screw finding love.

Screw everything.

posted October 01, 2024 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I know what you mean by games and yes it can be frustrating.

Two years ago I was interviewed and put into a pool with 50 other applicants.

I didn't get the job but it didn't matter because I was scooped by a consulting firm.

Ironically, the consulting firm I was working at was contracted out by the company I had the interview with.

While contracted I checked the dates of hire, none of the 50 applicants I was in the pool with were hired.

Apparently they never intended to hire anyone, they just wanted to test the market against their current employees and see were they stand.

Also hiring people from the consulting firm was way easier for them and worked better with their balance sheet compared to hiring someone permeant.

Perhaps you should try applying to work for a consulting firm?

My Planets
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☉‘ ♊, ☽ ♈, ASC ♑, ☿ ♊, ¡÷ ♉, ¡ö ♋ , ♃ ♒, ♄ ♏, ♅ ♐, ♆ ♑

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I'm not assuming that everything negative, bad, or uncomfortable that happens to somebody is karma. I'm just saying it just in case. I'm not that coldhearted, or sharp.

If somebody had Cancer, I wouldn't jump to "it's because you have bad karma." I would comfort them and try to help them.

posted October 02, 2024 03:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Preppyarcher7989Wiff:
I'm not assuming that everything negative, bad, or uncomfortable that happens to somebody is karma. I'm just saying it just in case. I'm not that coldhearted, or sharp.

If somebody had Cancer, I wouldn't jump to "it's because you have bad karma." I would comfort them and try to help them.

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posted October 02, 2024 08:59 AM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Since personal transits were mentioned, I will post my chart as of Oct 1st in both whole sign and placidus houses but before I do, I wanted to speak a bit about the times so far. My Saturn return must have finished up by now. I have been journaling a bit about my career and come to find, I feel like with the hand I was given, I played it right.

I have been proactive as heck in my job hunt but once again, as soon as you get to the later round of interviews, the games start. They want you to relocate out of nowhere. They say that they no longer want to hire for the role because the company cannot get its stuff together, and these are some big companies too. You have a lot of managers that like you but one higher up comes in at the last round and hates your guts.

Earlier in my job hunt, I did get an offer but the company had red flags written all over it. Very short tenures and when I talked to former employees through social media, they told me to avoid it as the company churns and burns employees and various roles left and right.

My purpose was righteous in this job hunt. I wanted a company I can call a long-term home and rejected a couple of offers earlier that did not fit that mold. Now as I get down to it, I am having to swallow the pill that this may never happen for me and I will be stuck gambling which I hate doing. The job market is not helping at all.

The good companies I see promise in keep playing games.

I cannot even live my life as normal and only spend money on groceries and rent, that is it.

Still, what sucks about this year is that a month ago, my car was parked and some random idiot rammed into it and drove off. This was in a secured parking garage and everything but they don't have cameras so they never caught him, insurance would not cover it.

It is like there is a life I can be living and enjoying now. So much I want to do and get to. But money is an issue because if I do not have a job, I do not have steady or even reliable income. I am having to rely on gig work. At this point, even the Leo optimism in me is dying out a bit after the hellish experience with this god awful job market.

I have not seen games played to this level.

I have not seen companies be this sloppy and unroganized compared to previous years.

I am a the mercy of that and some months, not even enough jobs get posted.

It's like what the heck. My life is on pause and sometimes all I can do is wait for 2025 and hope it is better because 2024 has been one of the toughest years of my life.

See the charts below, cannot get anyone for the life of me to read them these days. Oct 1 transits.

Placidus Oct 1
http://i.imgur.com/PSgsg5Q.png

Whole Sign Oct 1
http://i.imgur.com/xWfyDrA.png

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posted October 02, 2024 11:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Preppyarcher7989Wiff:
I'm not assuming that everything negative, bad, or uncomfortable that happens to somebody is karma. I'm just saying it just in case. I'm not that coldhearted, or sharp.

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Karma is not always negative. It might be something fated, meant for you to learn lessons or change direction.
Also, I heard a theory it might be self-imposed.

Sometimes I fell like I’m making problematic karma keeping certain people around because I need to be self-protective, say No , and even being negative what I sometimes feel bad about . That might put self-blame and dissatisfaction.

posted October 02, 2024 12:34 PM            

Issues of job have to do with 6th house of everyday work, and 10th house of career. And to some lesser extent, the 8th house of other people's money, and the 2nd house of personal money.

Currently for Leo rising people, unpredictable Uranus is in their 10th house of career. I would look at what Uranus is doing to the chart for an indication of job issues. Is it making hard aspect to some work related planets in the 10th, 6th, 8th, and 2nd house?

I would also look at the natal chart and see if there are planets there natally in the 10th, 6th, 8th and 2nd houses that make it difficult or challenging to find and hold jobs.

posted October 02, 2024 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
There have been threads in the past, where people brought up karma as reason for bad things happening. I got upset one time last Spring, after something that horrified me, happened, and there were people talking about it (karma, not what happened). So, that's why I mentioned it today.

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Cool. I was just making sure.

posted October 02, 2024 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
For Leo rising people, Saturn in Pisces is in their 8th house of other people's money, so people are stingy with giving them money. Also Neptune in that house can make things confusing. The north node moving in Pisces in January may help Leo rising people who are struggling to focus more on getting money.

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No lottery wins and loans for them this year! I'm joking of course!

posted October 03, 2024 09:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I know people with Leo rising who are working and doing fine. I am not convinced people's inability to find jobs is due to Pluto in Capricorn.

Issues of job have to do with 6th house of everyday work, and 10th house of career. And to some lesser extent, the 8th house of other people's money, and the 2nd house of personal money.

Currently for Leo rising people, unpredictable Uranus is in their 10th house of career. I would look at what Uranus is doing to the chart for an indication of job issues. Is it making hard aspect to some work related planets in the 10th, 6th, 8th, and 2nd house?

I would also look at the natal chart and see if there are planets there natally in the 10th, 6th, 8th and 2nd houses that make it difficult or challenging to find and hold jobs.

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posted October 04, 2024 11:38 AM            

It's not the transits, it's you. Your personality is reflected in your birth chart, nothing is caused by the planets it's just a mirror.

Your birth chart shows that your needs are very much connected to material security. So being unemployed really hits you hard, it makes you restless and really stresses you out. Besides the money, you are at your best with the daily routine and structure that work provides you.

Moon in Virgo in the 2nd house, Saturn in the 6th house, and Mars in the 10th house. Moon and Mars have easy aspects, but your Saturn, also the lord of your 6th house, is receiving a lot of harsh aspects, most notably the square from Pluto and oppositions from Sun and Mercury.

The 6th house is where we experience our everyday reality and the circumstances that we cannot change but have to accept and deal with. With all those harsh aspects, you will feel tension in that area of your life. Timing issues, too much or too little, friction, discomfort. There will be tension related to the way you express yourself, your need to be seen and admired, a need to be respected. You might often feel that other people are taking credit for your work, that you do not get the recognition you deserve, that you do not get the opportunities to show what you're capable of and that you are misunderstood.

You need to find a balance, your birth chart isn't going to do that for you. Personal growth is the answer. Only then you will find the respect and praise you're looking for.

posted October 04, 2024 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Preppyarcher7989Wiff:

Good luck. I had to wait for some things too, it sucks, but it's a part of life.

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I would like to second that.

Approximately a decade ago I had tr Neptune square my natal MC. This transit started just after my contract ended and I had to look for another job. With this transit, for the next 2,5 years I was completely blocked from finding any regular job in spite of doing absolutely everything I could to improve my situation. Before the transit, I was pretty successful in my career. As soon as the transit ended, my situation quickly improved. I starter being invited for interviews, then got a very good but short term job offer and soon after a stable employment in which I have been working for the last 8 years.

I don’t think it was karma. Karma is mostly Saturn and it always rewarded my efforts, even during challenging transits. It was Neptune and the nature of this square to MC which made building stable structures in career much more difficult, basically impossible…

We are actually lucky to know what is going on and that things can eventually improve. Good luck to you!

posted October 04, 2024 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemmi:
I would like to second that.

Approximately a decade ago I had tr Neptune square my natal MC. This transit started just after my contract ended and I had to look for another job. With this transit, for the next 2,5 years I was completely blocked from finding any regular job in spite of doing absolutely everything I could to improve my situation. Before the transit, I was pretty successful in my career. As soon as the transit ended, my situation quickly improved. I starter being invited for interviews, then got a very good but short term job offer and soon after a stable employment in which I have been working for the last 8 years.

I don’t think it was karma. Karma is mostly Saturn and it always rewarded my efforts, even during challenging transits. It was Neptune and the nature of this square to MC which made building stable structures in career much more difficult, basically impossible…

We are actually lucky to know what is going on and that things can eventually improve. Good luck to you!

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I looked at Pluto's chart and he has North Node in Sagittarius, in the 5th house! He's supposed to shine this lifetime! Shine Plutonianmenace! He definitely shows his rebellious South Node in the 11th house here, and on some forums. The 11th house is related to Aquarius, the Aquarius house! His North Node wants him to shine!

And as for karma and waiting. The two things have nothing to do with each other in my original comment. I know I sound harsh towards Pluto, sometimes, but seeing him suffer is a bit painful, sometimes!

posted October 04, 2024 01:03 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoWasHere:
@plutonianmenace, why do you keep asking the same questions when you have already received the answer so many times?

It's not the transits, it's you. Your personality is reflected in your birth chart, nothing is caused by the planets it's just a mirror.

Your birth chart shows that your needs are very much connected to material security. So being unemployed really hits you hard, it makes you restless and really stresses you out. Besides the money, you are at your best with the daily routine and structure that work provides you.

Moon in Virgo in the 2nd house, Saturn in the 6th house, and Mars in the 10th house. Moon and Mars have easy aspects, but your Saturn, also the lord of your 6th house, is receiving a lot of harsh aspects, most notably the square from Pluto and oppositions from Sun and Mercury.

The 6th house is were we experience our everyday reality and the circumstances that we cannot change but have to accept and deal with. With all those harsh aspects, you will feel tension in that area of your life. Timing issues, too much or too little, friction, discomfort. There will be tension related to the way you express yourself, your need to be seen and admired, a need to be respected. You might often feel that other people are taking credit for your work, that you do not get the recognition you deserve, that you do not get the opportunities to show what you're capable of and that you are misunderstood.

You need to find a balance, your birth chart isn't going to do that for you. Personal growth is the answer. Only then you will find the respect and praise you're looking for.

Whatever you have neglected, it will come to you. Pluto will transit your 6th house for a very long time. Uranus will transit your 10th house for a very long time. Both represent the opportunity to make much needed changes and immense personal growth. But if you avoid it, it will only get worse. You can't run away from yourself.

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Definitely. Astrology is only one face of the cube, as I like to say. It reads your energy. But, it can't completely help you self improve.

posted October 04, 2024 01:18 PM            

Was there any event or theme that stood out around second half of June this year? If so, pay attention, that might be something you need to work on. That’s when Uranus crossed your MC. It’s retrograde now and it will cross it again in November and then the last time in April next year. This could be directly related to your work and career (it can also be related to your living situation, family etc, but since you are looking for work, I’d say in your case it’s more related to your career). It’s likely that whatever theme you were dealing with in June, will continue developing until next April (e.g. Uranus recently crossed my MC three times as well, and a very similar event happened each time). That doesn’t mean of course that you won’t have work until April, but the themes will be active.

And then you also have Uranus square Asc that will be active next year as well. For exact days just look at the ephemeris. That’s a period of figuring things out, perhaps you will need to move, be flexible, be open to things that perhaps you didn’t consider before. I really hope you will have income soon but also look at this as an opportunity to grow and make changes that you otherwise wouldn’t make.

posted October 08, 2024 01:15 AM            

I have journals full but to be frankly honest, I went through so much hell in my youth. The abusive father and all that my 20s and finding a career I love and could thrive in was the reprieve. Something about this year though has been crap.

Like I just want my f-ckin career back. I mean the amount of games these companies have paid and the odds I am up against in this abysmal market. The amount of crap I have had to deal with. How my daily life is in shambles because I do not have money coming in. Burning through my savings. Burning through so much and I am on my last leg for months now.

I am like what in the actual h3ll is going on. I have done near everything and been so proactive but now I am at the end of it all. Now it is hitting me. Now I cannot even interview as sharply as I used to due to the games. Now I cannot even give it my all like I did on past interviews. Like I actually talked to God today and told him that there is probably a reason people stop believing in him in society.

Like I am miserable as this year has gone on and my daily life is crap. I cannot go out anymore. I have to be super tight with my budget. My long-term goals in life are down the toilet because money matters.

I am getting bitter after having to deal with so much for months. Like the amount of games these companies are paying when they learn that the market is in their favor.

My life, I have been through so much for so long this year.

Then having my family home impacted by a weather disaster and having my car hit when it was parked to add to that.

Like this is karma. Treating otherwise decent people that have tried to give so much good onto the world and have wronged no way but just messing with their luck?

I been working on self-growth with journals to prove it and now I get gaslighted as if all these random disasters in my life are suddenly my fault?

Like I am supposed to not even fight but just take it because it is like the second I fight for a better life this garbage punishes me. My God.

I do not even know what to believe in anymore after all these months of what has been the worst year of my life.

posted October 08, 2024 12:31 PM            

It is like what am I doing?

I realized that strong people do not need approval, validation, or a thumbs up from the world that they can do something that they really want to do and have it succeed. Come to think, this mindset really started back in 2008 for me when I was full of self-doubt and always asking if I can do it. Come to find that is when Pluto went into Capricorn. Now as it starts to leave, perhaps that is the lessons it is leaving me with.

I do not need validation, thumbs up, or a green light from the universe that I can do something I really want to do. In reality, I just need to believe in myself, my vision, and manifest my goals and successes in life.