posted April 05, 2025 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Librapurr:

At some point it will be nothing left to rebuild from. More often shakeups move our planet closer to doomsday.

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yeah sure if everyone is dead and there's nothing left there's nothing to rebuild from, but that situation is unlikely, and if it were to happen well... not worth caring about because it'd hardly matter to anyone at that point anyway no?

however like i said, extremely unlikely. is major collapse possible? sure, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. it would be bad for some time of course, but that's basically anything that's born from chaos. it's not like what's going on now is ideal by any means (nothing ever will be though btw, systems will always be a mixed bag and eventually all things grow too big for themselves, systems and civilizations aren't immortal and why would they be?)

the idea of de-escalation is absurd though, in the sense that it's the one thing that actually wouldn't make any sense because every conflict that exists currently is built on a foundation of previous conflicts. what time would you move back to that wouldn't have these issues brimming in the background? what parts of human nature would you be suppressing and eliminating to keep them from just boiling up differently (likely equivalent, potentially worse)? what's the use in prolonging things aside from you not wanting to live to see it? what possible way do you see for things to go when people are what they are? there's a lot of "good" in humanity sure, but it's naive to not see the "evil" too. that's just an inherent part of life, even plants will choke each other out for resources. the very nature of life is that it's sustained by death, and power is something that exists whether or not anyone likes that it does. can only harness it and given what life and humans are there will always be some level of imposition which would cause friction and lead to inevitable power games. perhaps in some fictitious stagnant utopian society that's completely homogenous this would "work" out better, more idealistically, but even then it'd be void of so many things that make life worthwhile that it'd be dystopian.

the people at the bottom of the chain mean very little in terms of the greater systems in play, unless said people were going to find it in them to leverage the power they do have in an effective manner. which is also unlikely.

the best case scenario is an escalation where the side you need to win crushes its enemies before they can crush you first ultimately, regardless of means, though force is less desirable. that's the reality we're looking at.

posted April 05, 2025 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't see anyone virtue signalling, and when I do, it's not someone that I personally agree with. But that's something for another thread.

When Luigi did his thing in December (I should add allegedly, that was the closest I've seen people from all "sides" coming together, uniting in agreement on something.

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if you don't see all the virtue signaling you aren't watching people at all, or you have a high tolerance for posturing bs and don't see things for what they are.

as for what he did, it was a big nothing, like i said a drop in the bucket. people have carried on in the same way since, and nothing of importance has changed. he was no different than say... george floyd in terms of impact and creating change, except honestly george floyd's death caused more friction. however where'd that end up? nowhere. you know why? because people are disorganized messes who don't do more than make noise and lash out at pointless targets with no "and then..." in mind.

posted April 05, 2025 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Dumuzi:
if you don't see all the virtue signaling you aren't watching people at all, or you have a high tolerance for posturing bs and don't see things for what they are.

as for what he did, it was a big nothing, like i said a drop in the bucket. people have carried on in the same way since, and nothing of importance has changed. he was no different than say... george floyd in terms of impact and creating change, except honestly george floyd's death caused more friction. however where'd that end up? nowhere. you know why? because people are disorganized messes who don't do more than make noise and lash out at pointless targets with no "and then..." in mind.

show me a single thing people have gotten momentarily fanatical about that's been more than a passing trend in the last decade or so that's had any tangible impact outside of the maga movement. from where i'm standing that's the one thing i've seen meaningful (in terms of scale, i'm aware of your opinions on all of that and i'm not making this about personal opinions as i'm rather indifferent myself beyond intrigue) tangible results from as far as these american movements go.

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I'm saying, the only time I saw people agreeing on something, was when he did what he did. And then the authorities acted like he was Thanos, or one of those big cartoon villains, to dissuade anyone else from having any ideas. They still are.

And I'm tired of some acting like people - usually people I agree with - are being fake, when they talk about something.

I'm also tired of other countries demanding that we do more, right now, when they have no damned idea of how people are just trying to survive, and most people don't *want* to get violent. What do they expect us to do?

posted April 05, 2025 04:46 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I'm saying, the only time I saw people agreeing on something, was when he did what he did. And then the authorities acted like he was Thanos, or one of those big cartoon villains, to dissuade anyone else from having any ideas. They still are.

And I'm tired of some acting like people - usually people I agree with - are being fake, when they talk about something.

I'm also tired of other countries demanding that we do more, right now, when they have no damned idea of how people are just trying to survive, and most people don't *want* to get violent. What do they expect us to do?

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i don't think they're being fake, i think most people are genuinely stupid enough to think the ineffectual things they do matter more than they do. i think many wholeheartedly buy into the things they do, but those things amount to little more than virtue signaling and hysterics.

yeah most people don't want to actually make moves that rock the boat too much and disrupt their lives, so they hope someone else will come in and save them. that's exactly why none of this matters much beyond posturing most of the time. what he did while symbolic enough to turn heads has done nothing and will continue to do nothing because he's just one guy who did a thing that ultimately only got talked about and inspired no meaningful action.

posted April 05, 2025 07:14 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
There were non-violent protests all over this country today. Some are ongoing, because of time zones.

I wish people would stop associating Aries with violence. I can't remember a time when violence wasn't a thing.

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there's been protests going on all over the country for years now, all the time, old news. lol the climate hasnt changed enough yet to be very interesting. maybe when summer comes

also aries is mars and mars is war and while war does in fact work on many levels including nonviolent ones war also is willing to go that far. war is at its darkest going as far as possible to achieve a goal stripped down of all the things people like to call "humanity"

it's the "inhumane" side of humor nature that people like to turn a blind eye to because it upsets them.

people go straight to the idea of war at its darkest when it's mentioned because that's the **** they're scared of and it makes the more subtle tactics seem peaceful. that's the thing about subtle tactics in the first place though, they're palatable because they don't feel like war. they get inside of people's heads in such a way that they're welcome, and people embrace them so fearlessly they seem like acts of mercy and benevolence. that's why aries has the violence association.

posted April 06, 2025 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Two weeks ago, I wanted to blow up my kitchen cupboards. They need to go. But we can't afford to replace them, and we would lose part of the house, if I did that.

I wouldn't actually blow anything up.

It's been building for a while, so I don't know if it's really an Aries thing (what you referenced). The dominoes have been falling, or preparing to.

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You're funny. Haha.

For me Aries is an explosion. Taurus and Pisces are 'waiting' energy before things blow up.

posted April 06, 2025 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage2:
Aries tends to symbolize the young, especially young men. Apparently there is now a trend where more young men are finding religion. That trend might accelerate when Neptune navigates through Aries.

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Oh wow, this is very interesting. Neptune in Aries, amazing.