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D for Defiant
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posted July 02, 2009 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
Please take time and your patience to read the following, unless you couldn't care less:


Was Michael Jackson Framed? by Mary A. Fischer GQ magazine 1994

A few of the facts in Ms. Fischer's article are among the contents of the Michael Jackson page on Wikipedia- Correct. these facts are available at Wikipedia.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread477059/pg1


[EDITED TO ADD:]The same article can be found via another link:

http://www.buttonmonkey.com/misc/maryfischer.html


Please read-


http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/where-is-jordan-chandler-now/#comment-4967

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the floacist 2007 October 25 permalink

Jordan never accurately described the marks on Michael’s genitalia. In fact, he wasn’t even the one who drew it in the first place; Evan Chandler (his father) did. In January 1994, USA Today printed an article confirming that, “photos of Michael Jackson’s genitalia do not match descriptions given by the boy who accused the singer of sexual misconduct.” Some tabloid reports may indicate otherwise but keep in mind that the District Attorney brought his “evidence” in front of two grand juries and charges were not filed. If the photos matched the boy’s description, the case would have probably gone to trial.
http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/settlement-not-enough/

If I a was an abused victim as a child, I wouldn’t want nor accept money. If a child and/or a parent settles for money they’re ******* heartless, lack of moral and have no decency. You do not accept money from a criminal who violated your son or daughter. A better question is why take money to forget you were molested? If I was a victim of rape or molestation, I and my family would want that perpetrator to be in prison – more likely for himself being abused, and see how he likes it. Let an offender free into the public?

What a lot of people simply do not understand is that there was never, ever a single iota of information which connected Jackson to the 1993 allegations, and yet there was an absolute wealth of information which suggested he was innocent. What people also don’t realize is that when Jackson paid his settlement, he was settling a civil case not a criminal case; he was not being prosecuted, he was being sued. There is a clause in the settlement which states that Jackson in no way acknowledges any wrongdoing by signing the settlement. There is another clause which specifically states that a settlement in the civil case in no way affects the recipients’ right to testify in a criminal case. The reason no criminal case was brought in 1993 was that the allegations were ludicrous and they couldn’t find any information to back them up. Thomas Sneddon presented the case to two grand juries and both of them laughed him out of court. He wasn’t even allowed to bring charges because his case was so pathetic.

The belief Jackson ‘bought his way out of jail’ has no weight yet everyone uses that as their blind justification of guilt. There was never a case against Jackson in 1993 and that was evident over a year prior to the settlement. With the criminal case in limbo because it was so moronic and the allegations hanging over his head until the media got some resolution, a settlement was the only way Jackson could make everything disappear. Diane Dimond known for her stupid antics to try to make anything ‘Michael Jackson’ even bigger than what it was, leaked the actual documents of the settlement. In the documents one find many ‘interesting’ things. For example, in the document Michael Jackson denies ever having any sexual contact with Jordan Chandler. And to make things even more interesting, the parents of Jordan Chandler, Evan and June Chandler agreed to that denial. Here is that part of the document:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0616041jacko5.gif

Also, in the document it actually says the Chandlers can only speak of the case in a court of law. For 10 years the media has been spreading the lie that the settlement somehow stopped the Chandlers from testifying against Jackson. Another myth destroyed by the factual document.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0616041jacko7.gif

Another myth that the settlement was for more than 30 million when in fact it was only 15,331,250, both Evan and June Chandler obtained 1.5 million while Larry Feldman obtained 3 million and 10% of the settlement which would bring his earnings to 5 million dollars.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/0616041jacko21.gif

And how much Jordan Chandler got? The most he could’ve gotten was 8 million dollars. Who leaked this private document? The only party that had this particular document was Lisa Marie Presley’s attorney at the time. So who gave it to Diane Dimond? Hmmm.

Entire document here:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0616041jacko1.html

You also left out the part where Jordan and has told people [personal] that Michael Jackson is not a pedophile. You also left out the part where last year in July, Evan Chandler struck his son with a dumbbell and basically tried to murder him.
http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/decisions/appellate/a0422-05.opn.html

What a great father. Not only that, he wrote a book about his son’s rape. “Michael Jackson Was My Lover-The Secret Diary of Jordie Chandler”. Even his brother chipped in. Raymond Chandler, author of book “All That Glitters: The Crime and the Cover Up” which deals with the alleged sexual abuse of his nephew Jordie by Michael Jackson. Team effort! How considerate. [edit] That book was written by Victor Guiteriezz, he also said that there was a videotape of Michael molesting one of Jermaine’s sons. Michael sued him about the book AND Hard Copy(they ran the story about the fake videotape) and Michael won the suit, but Victor left the country. It was one of the few times Michael actually fought back the allegations.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6996/bookqf2.jpg

You also forgot the part where Evan Chandler was caught on tape speaking about his extortion plans on the telephone. You can read the whole transcript here
http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/the-tapes-will-come-out-court-transcrip t-of-chandler/

Please don’t ever leave a comment like that again. I know first hand what it feels like to be raped. I’m not going to go into detail, because thats personal. Do you know how that feels like? Maybe you do, maybe you don’t. Point is. Let me tell you something. I am not some crazy fan who believes in his innocence because I like ‘Beat It’ and ‘Thriller’. If he was a child molester I’d burn all my CDs & memorabilia and wish him to burn in hell.

Do I approve of Michael having sleepovers with young children that are not his own? NO! That violates a social norm, and that is why it is looked down upon. However, entire families visit the Ranch. There is no way possible that this man could possible have the time and secrecy to abuse a child in his house, and not have the victim find their way out and tell their parents immediately. When Michael infamously said he shared his bed, he didn’t mean his literal bedroom. They’re not even IN his bedroom. His home is 3,000 acres. Guests stay over in the guest rooms, as in parents and their children. If said children would like to stay with Michael (and Lisa Marie Presley his ex-wife testified this herself that they follow them where ever they go) he specifically said that he tells them to ask their guardians if its okay. And if they do, Michael sleeps on the floor. It is rude to let a guest sleep on a coach, a floor or any other uncomfortable position while you stay in the comfort of your own bed.

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Please view all the documents and transcripts, quotes via the links provided. Please take time and your patience to read the entirety of them all.

If you cared.

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posted July 02, 2009 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
DfD

The truth is that no matter what "evidence" is presented either way, we will NEVER know the truth on this. All that can happen here is that people can draw their own conclusions. Opinions are going to differ.

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posted July 02, 2009 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
Great, another MJ shite-fest. Do we really need another argument about this?

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blue moon
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posted July 02, 2009 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
What Wheels said.

I'm not going to read it, I have to make some calls, I have to do stuff. Unless you are a hack on the Sun, there is no need to be pouring over the details. Let it go.

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posted July 02, 2009 04:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
wheels & bm

Right on! Totally agreed.

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D for Defiant
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posted July 02, 2009 04:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message
Wheels of Cheese,

This thread is, in its least sense, intended for arguments.

[EDITED TO ADD:]Which means, Wheels of Cheese- "in its least sense"- meaning this thread is not meant for arguments. You read me wrong, and you won't be forgotten.

Congratulations on you MJ haters and non MJ fans for having your own thread now- like I do respect you people for being who you are and what you are, I haven't posted on your thread, and that is respect. Likewise, up until now, this thread, unfortunately, has only attracted MJ haters and non MJ fans- wouldn't it be respect that you people can at least show, by skipping my thread and ignore this? There are two groups of LL members here at LL- mourning MJ fans vs. MJ haters with non-MJ fans- I started this thread to provide information, not looking for a fight. Let us just respect each other. We fans are not out there to "convert" you folks, so basically, we won't mess with you, as long as you don't mess with us. Period.

If you truly couldn't care less, like all of you people who have replied to this thread why bother posting here at all? Just to express your frustration of feeling fed up with it? It's us and you, and it would be nice for us not to mess with the other side. Thank you.

BM,

Talking about escapism and self-denial.

D

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posted July 02, 2009 04:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Well, if you want different opinions, you got them.

No thread is open to arguing. Discussing might be a better option.

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blue moon
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posted July 02, 2009 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Bloody hell, good luck, Peace. I prefer the unpleasant calls to mob hysteria on LL.

This is really helping my motivation, though. Right, next tricky negotiation coming up. See you later, sweeties!

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posted July 02, 2009 05:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
"This thread is intended for arguments"

Well, that's just dandy. I will hold you responsible for the fallout and turmoil then.

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posted July 02, 2009 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
wheels

Problem is the media. People are so willing to jump onto the bandwagon of the garbage that they put out as news. It's all been hyped and hyped and there's so many different versions of stories. There's no way of knowing any truth. And in relation to Michael Jackson, that pertains to his death as well as his life. This story is going to go on for years. I'm over it right now. The man died. What more do we really need to know. It was the same with Heath Ledger. You can debate all you like, it doesn't bring the person back - or even answer those questions left unanswered.

There's a point where you have to let it go, and move on.

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posted July 02, 2009 05:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
That's a nice way of saying shut the f up, in case anyone is in any doubt.

Just done another tricky call so I'm all tactfulled out.

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posted July 02, 2009 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
LMAO

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posted July 02, 2009 05:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
bm

You know I have Mercury in Aries in 1st so I'm in need of tact lessons. I was wondering who could be my teacher. And now I've found THE ONE.

I'm up for lesson 1, Master Yoda.

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posted July 02, 2009 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Thought you'd never ask.

Tact, the blue moon way:-

Do you mind ever so, I'd rather decide for myself what chair I sit on -> Do you think you're my dad or something? F off why don't you!

Timmy isn't a very nice boy and shouldn't be saying hurtful things about your non gender-typical interests (such as liking High School Musical) -> tell him to sod off, he's an idiot

Just a couple of examples for the class from the last month or so.

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posted July 02, 2009 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Okay - my overanalytical Pluto in Virgo in 6th is complaining to my Merc that something is off here.

So, the concise version would be.

Sod off you ******* loser!

Right?

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posted July 02, 2009 05:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message
Is that sod off you biggest loser?

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posted July 02, 2009 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
It could be Deux, but considering the thread maybe sod off is not the right term to use at all.

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posted July 02, 2009 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
"You said the eff word. You shouldn't swear in front of your kids, I'm going to repeat that at school."

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posted July 02, 2009 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
That's such a British expression, by the way. Much like "snogging". We don't say either here.

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posted July 02, 2009 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Well, bm, you know what they say about the student only being as good as the teacher. He-hem.

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posted July 02, 2009 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
but considering the thread

bugger off? No.

get lost?

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posted July 02, 2009 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message
Ack!

Girls, we are off topic!

Sorry, D.

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posted July 02, 2009 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Actually, I think we're as on topic as it's going to get in here.

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posted July 02, 2009 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
make it educational, what is snogging?

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posted July 02, 2009 05:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Snogging?

Well, I'm not British. We're like the cut price version here in Oz.

But as far as I know - snogging - is kissing.

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