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Topic: D For Defiant
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SunChild Moderator Posts: 330 From: Melbourne. Victoria. Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 12:36 AM
Before it get's closed I just want to add the only thing I will comment on:~ I have come to realize that I am an @sshole. My judgment and common sense is crap and I am gullible as a fool without the ability to scrutinize praise without divulging all my secrets. I open up in poor light. That's my fault. My confession ~ I have said things in mildly-poor taste about PA and Valus behind their backs, and usually I say the things I could say to their face, but this time I did not. So, Peace Angel & Valus I am sorry. (i am not sure why PA left, if you wondering I don't think this had anything to do with it.) I knew I made a mistake over a week ago and didn't have the courage to tell DFD that she was getting carried away. I am too polite and don't want to make anyone feel bad. By the way, I have no ill feelings toward DFD, or any one else! And I never said I did. I care about all of you. I should have used more common sense before anyone get's hurt. Talking about others is rude if you can't say it to their face. Its rude regardless if it's not positive. I take full responsibility for my part, any hurt inflicted, and I don't know who else was involved. Nothing else can be said because I don't to want to invade any ones privacy. I will take a break from here and depending on how some of you feel, I understand if you would be surprised and totally p!ssed at me. IP: Logged |
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 197 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 12:51 AM
no writesomething that was not directed at you. I just think it's wrong for us to talk about DforDefiant when she's not present.You're a good girl SunChild, it takes integrity to admit you made a mistake. IP: Logged |
Writesomething Knowflake Posts: 1061 From: meet me in montauk Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 01:11 AM
Wow Sun, that was very brave of you to admit. We all make mistakes, you are only human.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 1069 From: acousticgod@sbcglobal.net Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 02:13 AM
SunChild,I was wondering if PA's departure had anything to do with what you'd said simply because around the time that PA was closing the thread about cussing you were posting stuff on DfD's thread in KTAA. That's the only reason I thought something might be up. You're probably correct in assuming you had nothing to do with her going, especially if she wasn't in on that email conversation. IP: Logged |
Valus Knowflake Posts: 1004 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 11:54 AM
I've already communicated with SunChild and she knows I've forgiven and understood her. I have the same indiscriminately trusting attitude towards people and I've shared way too much with folks I ought not to have shared with. While I admire SunChild's restraint and compassionate attitude towards D, I still wrestle with how, when, and where to express my frustration and disapproval. Bringing these more-or-less private conflicts to public light is questionable, but I cannot say categorically that it is inappropriate or unjust. Certainly it is disagreeable, and something which uninvolved parties would rather not be presented with when they come to LL. However, just because something is initially disagreeable does not mean it is unadvisable, and I do not believe it is for any individual or group of individuals here to decide what is or is not in the spirit of Lindaland. Linda herself was remarkably straight-forward and confrontational when it came to matters she considered unjust. Lindaland isn't here to provide a wool to pull over our eyes, or to cover wolves who would don sheep's clothing. Lindaland is not a refuge from life, but a microcosm of life, and I doubt that it is agreeable, or even possible, to manifest a Lindaland which is utterly removed from the most personal aspects of our private, so-called "real", lives. Things leak in and things leak out, and the veil between the public and private is thin. Since I do not know who has been contacted in private life, -- only that they are members of this site -- my only avenue to connect with them on this matter is public. It is always easiest for people to judge when they are uninvolved, but let them suffer a personal attack of this kind and then, perhaps, they will be in a position, not to judge, but to understand. I do think it is unfortunate for uninvolved parties to be confronted with this mess, but I suspect that the minor irritation they feel cannot compare to the importance of an open and public treatment of this matter for the parties concerned. I concur with the posters who have commended SunChild on admitting her faults and mistakes. It is a rare quality, partly because, all too often, people take such admissions as opportunities to kick a person when he/she is down. More often still, such honest admissions are ignored, and the people brave and honest enough to make them continue to be told that they never apologize or admit to error. And all too often, the ones who apologize and admit to imperfections and errors are only remembered for their imperfections and errors, and not for their remorse or their admissions. In truth, these tend to be the people who are most honest with themselves, as well as others, while the ones who remind them of their mistakes are all too quick to overlook their own. I believe that frequent admission of one's own faults leads to tolerance for the faults of others, and those who do not admit their own faults to themselves and to the ones they've hurt, are among the most intolerant. Moreover, to admit when you are wrong suggests that it is not your pride which insists on being right (in instances where you insist that you are right). Nevertheless, people who frequently confess their wrongs are still told, over and over again, that they are speaking from stubborn pride, when they insist on the validity of their positions. For my part, I will be slow to interpret SunChild's firm stance on an issue as a symptom of pride, now that I know she has the flexibility and integrity to admit it when she is mistaken. I only hope that others will do the same for me, and remember my admissions, not for the mistakes they followed upon, but for the humility that prompted them. Also, that they will see that I have earned the right to pronounce some of my own behaviors as humble, by having pronounced others as arrogant. False modesty is as pernicious as false pride. It is a shame that the people who are most candid about both their virtues and their vices are so frequently criticized; for asserting their virtues, and possessing their vices.
I am not so emotionally invested today as I was yesterday, and I am prepared to admit what I see as the excesses of my behavior, and to take a more understanding attitude in relation to D for Defiant. While I believe, and have no compunction in saying so, that she is profoundly imbalanced and poses a very real danger, I no longer wish to judge or feel anger towards her for this, but to sincerely desire her health and well-being, for her own sake, as well as for others'. Lastly, I want to add that it occurs to me the philospher (and Piscean) Montaigne was absolutely right to direct the main thrust of his arguments against the quality of self-assurance; for it is not that we are wrong, which poses the greatest difficulty to our growth, but, that we so carelessly insist on being right, and so wantonly refuse to examine our motives and points of view. Speaking as a Pisces South-Noder, I can honestly say that there is nothing so common to my experience as the doubting and examining of my own motives and viewpoints, -- even to the point that I second-guess myself at every turn, and rarely permit myself to take a stand in full and unmitigated confidence. It has been one of my greatest lessons in this lifetime, to learn to stand up confidently for things that I deeply, both intellectually and emotionally, know to be right, and not to back down and give way to the doubts of others, as though they were my own. Nevertheless, like all of us, I am often far too impulsive and quick to assert something without first examining my motives. Striking a balance is the work, not of a lifetime, but of eternity.
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Yin Knowflake Posts: 487 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 12:20 PM
Beautifully written, Valus.  IP: Logged |
cpn_edgar_winner Knowflake Posts: 987 From: Toledo, OH Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 12:32 PM
thumbs up valus and sunchild. i admire your words. it says a lot about who you are!IP: Logged |
Valus Knowflake Posts: 1004 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 01:42 PM
Awwwww..... 
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Xodian Moderator Posts: 81 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 14, 2009 09:19 PM
Annndddd.... 24 hours are up. Sorry D; You have the right to respond to Valus' post but you are gonna have to do it in private.Thread closed. IP: Logged | |