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Topic: Steve/Valus/Heart-Shaped-Cross is in the hospital
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Fases De La Luna Knowflake Posts: 88 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 07:10 AM
Yin, let's get something straight. 'If' aside, you're NOT Valus. Period. So when my comments are directed at him, considering he's a grown man & not your child, I suggest you stay out of them & let him respond for himself. Second of all, melancholy, lament & drama may be your desired manner of expression but the comment was meant to be witty as is reflective of MY personality & meant to make him smile by reminding him of a recent positive. If you've read through everything V has ever posted, you would know that there isn't a single thread on which I've argued with him or anything. On the contrary, when I have commented on his thread, I've complimented him on his eloquence of relaying his point & admiration at his researching skills. So this was teasing him again along the lines of not aplying his strengths to something more important - what he ingests. Again, meant with good faith. Perhaps you've missed him saying he's in good spirits or addressing himself a "reckless fool". I don't think he literally meant that either, took it for what it was, replied in kind, in my own manner. Which FYI, we have a right to - unless someone made you speech patrol here & I missed the memo. You butted in on my post in his thread too. Seriously, there are REAL causes out there needing real caring, not assumed up in arms, pointing fingers. Find yourself one of those. AG, everything I said to Yin, applies to what you posted as well. No subtle digs intended & honestly, with all due respect, kindly refrain from advising me on timing, taste, manner of jokes or people's perception. Not only do I not care for what other people think, I think the analogy about one man's meat, another's poison is appropriate here. Sappy for example is perceived by me to be in poor taste but i respect another's right to lay it on thick - all the moreso if their comments are directed at other people, coz I believe it would be rude to interfere, especially without leaving room for people's unique styles of expression. Another example, I could call Yin & you judgemental - for pouncing on assuming it to be an offending post. Or intrusive for butting in on a post which is neither an argument with V nor one he has called objection to. But i won't coz i will leave room for doubt that perhaps I am mistaken. MVM, thank you. You understood it for what it was. Ironically, when I'm in a slump, I enjoy wit, I'm more of a Frasier, Raymond's father's character in 'Everybody Loves Raymond' kinda girl. It makes me laugh & feel better & its my manner of speech. So that's precisely what it was, my manner of caring. Valus, if you were offended, hopefully this would clarify. I genuinely meant well, hope you get better, wish you a speedy recovery. Sorry about this crap on your thread, but I'm not the other cheek kind when wrongly called out. IP: Logged |
pire Knowflake Posts: 471 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 07:39 AM
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Yin Knowflake Posts: 548 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 09:00 AM
Fases, Valus can speak for himself and I am sure he will when he's able to.I really didn't appreciate the tone of your posts, BTW. Boorish comes to mind. Oh, well... different styles I suppose. AG IP: Logged |
Fases De La Luna Knowflake Posts: 88 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 09:03 AM
Exactly my point Yin. So if he took offense to my first post either here on on his thread in Knowflakes, I'm sure HE would be the one to state it. I respect his intelligence enough to know he doesn't need mouthpieces going up in arms over what they IMAGINE were meant in malice. Neither thread is yours, please stay out of yapping at other posters' notes. IP: Logged |
MysticMelody Moderator Posts: 228 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 09:07 AM
Everyone should just pretend before they post that they are at the hospital and not on a message board. His friends are huddled around for support and you decide to come visit him at the hospital, as a friend or whatever. Is what you are saying appropriate? Would it be ok with you if someone spoke the same to your family when one of them almost died? Or would you be angry and/or upset?
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wheels of cheese Knowflake Posts: 557 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 09:21 AM
quote: Another example, I could call Yin & you judgemental - for pouncing on assuming it to be an offending post. Or intrusive for butting in on a post which is neither an argument with V nor one he has called objection to. But i won't coz i will leave room for doubt that perhaps I am mistaken.
Cool, just so as we know what it is you're not saying, even though you er, kinda said it. I apologise for misinterpreting your sense of humour.
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Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 1237 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 09:24 AM
Valus,I wish you a speedy recovery! I am glad that you're ok. Raymond p.s. please feel free to call me any time ------------------ “It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. “She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1 IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 154 From: Ohio Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 09:37 AM
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AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 1294 From: acousticgod@sbcglobal.net Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 09:41 AM
Faces, I don't doubt that you were kidding. Though I'd like to, I can't respond to you in the way I'd like, because I'm unwilling to go into details not present in this thread already.I just ask that everyone who's willing would show a bit of sensitivity. IP: Logged |
Valus Knowflake Posts: 1151 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 10:46 AM
Thanks..I don't have the energy right now to read and respond to everyone as I'd like and as they deserve, but I really appreciate the concern. I do feel incredibly stupid and sorry to have put my loved ones through this bullsh!t. Fases, Yin and others are welcome to voice their own opinions. Sure, I have no trouble speaking for myself, but people usually seem to give more credit to what others say, than to what I say, on my behalf. I do think your comments were in poor taste, although I can't say that I dont entirely deserve them. Maybe thats a contradiction. Anyway, I can assure you that this experience has changed me, made me wiser and more humble in some respects. Take care everyone.
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Fases De La Luna Knowflake Posts: 88 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 11:41 AM
Yin, regarding the tone of my posts, I assure you, I could say the same. Moreso since you initiated calling me out on what you assume was ill meant. MysticMelody, I appreciate the manner & content of your statement. In good conscience I can state that it was well meant, just wrongly taken & yes something I would say in the situation you described. Like in teasing banter, big hug, smile. But of course, it is the internet, no one can see one's expressions or sincerity and we are from all over the world so our ways are different. It irritated me, that i was called out from a point of pre judgement that what i said was meant to hurt. What I appreciate about the manner in which you have stated what you have is that you leave room for explanation.Also what i appreciated about MVM's post above. Its not judge & jury. wheels of cheese, genuinely meant that to indicate what it was coming across as to me. To indicate that interpretations may be several - like what could be considered as sticking up for a friend could also be perceived as judgemental. AcousticGod, everything is relative. I assure you, I have lost several people too young & some even to suicide. Sensitivity actually goes as a strength of mine. Valus, I agree that everyone is free to voice their opinions. I am free to defend myself as well, which is what I did. Since this thread is about you, I will again apologize if you misunderstood the comments to be in poor taste. As a former New Yorker, perhaps my ways are different. Nonethless, they were well meant only. I wish you well. I'm going to quit responding so it ends here. IP: Logged |
Valus Knowflake Posts: 1151 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 12:14 PM
No hard feelings, Fases. I'll be happy to see this thread, and this entire incident, ended.
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MoonWitch Knowflake Posts: 125 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 03:50 PM
**there's a reason why absinthe is illegal round the world**It's not illegal in many places now - including the United States - and in order to overdose on the thujone (found in wormwood)in Absinthe you'd have to drink a **RIDICULOUS** amount of it in which case the alcohol content would be more of a threat to you (it's usually 100 proof). Most of the bad rap absinthe received 100 years ago was because it was being distilled in LEAD stills and causing lead poisoning. Let me get off my absinthe soapbox now... I love the stuff and enjoy it quite often. I imagine that since the first post stated he overdosed on an herbal supplement then it had something to do with wormwood specifically and not absinthe. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 1252 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 04:55 PM
Can't we all just get along IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1525 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 05:47 PM
the wormwood supposedly put holes in people's brains and absinthe is one of the most addictive drinks man has had the dubious pleasure of getting hooked on. that it puts one in another sphere mentally was one of its chief attractions.it may be legal again in the US, but it was banned for some time when i was in the active drinking world. you can still get pernod, but it is NOT the same drink it was when baudelaire was into the stuff! whether lead was the main culprit or not i have no idea! i do know that elizabeth I wore lead-based makeup and lived to be a hearty and mostly coherent 70 year old, though she did lose her mental acuity at the very end... IP: Logged |
MoonWitch Knowflake Posts: 125 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 07:33 PM
**the wormwood supposedly put holes in people's brains and absinthe is one of the most addictive drinks man has had the dubious pleasure of getting hooked on.**Supposedly being the operative word here. It's all hype. It makes it more mysterious in movies. There's nothing else in absinthe that is addictive unless you are an alcoholic. It's made in the same way that many other flavored alcohol is made (like gin) with a variety of different herbs that you can usually find in a cook's kitchen - none of which have addictive qualities (unless you really really happen to like anise or fennel). Whether wormwood/thujone is addictive is debatable. Yes, it can be toxic in high doses like anything else. Anything in EXCESS is bad for you. We occasionally have pre-ban absinthe from 1912 and it is delish. We also have brand new absinthe that is good. We don't, however, drink two or three bottles of it at one sitting. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 1252 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 07:51 PM
I wanna try absinthe! I'm very curious. But knowing me, I'd probably be passed out on the floor after 2 sips. Cheap date LOLIP: Logged |
BlueTopaz124 Knowflake Posts: 103 From: Portland, OR, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 01, 2009 11:15 PM
I'm glad to see you're posting Steve!!IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 1343 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2009 04:20 AM
OMG!Please send his my best wishes for a speedy recovery IP: Logged |
Writesomething Knowflake Posts: 1132 From: meet me in montauk Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 04, 2009 01:04 PM
I am sorry to hear this. I hope you are healing well. IP: Logged |
Valus Knowflake Posts: 1151 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 04, 2009 02:28 PM
Wormwood is just one known source of thujone, and not the one which I was recently acquainted with. The little blue bottle here is from Hungary, purchased off the internet, and the label reads: Sage Dalmatian Hungary Salvia Officianalis That's all. The oil is not water-soluble, and I'm told this may be the main issue with toxicity. I dont think I could have ingested more than 2 or 3 ounces of this oil over the course of two days. I didn't feel intoxicated and, according to witnesses, was acting and speaking normally just prior to having a prolonged, full-body seizure and passing out. I appreciate Melody's intention to share my story and rouse support, but it is, after all, a fairly personal matter which I never wished to invite all of Lindaland into. There are plenty of indelicate posters here who will almost definitely judge me for this, throw it in my face, and never let me hear the end of it. I'll be very happy when this thread is buried and, god willing, I've been allowed to move on. I don't need to tell you how this experience has sobered me and revitilized my appreciation for life. Thanks again to people who expressed their concern. The pneumonia is clearing up and my strength is returning. God Bless. I've requested that Xodian close the thread. IP: Logged |
charmainec Moderator Posts: 142 From: on the other side of the rainbow Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 04, 2009 02:35 PM
Valus I that you are better.Much love and light IP: Logged |
Xodian Moderator Posts: 98 From: Canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 04, 2009 07:40 PM
Closed on Valus' request.IP: Logged |