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T
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posted October 23, 2009 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
Video:
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=16226645&ch=4226714&src=news

article:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/angela-montez-prays-armed-robber-leaves/story?id=8875272

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SunChild
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posted October 24, 2009 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message

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posted October 24, 2009 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
It had nothing to do with prayer in my opinion.
SHE talked to him and appealed to his better side. It is wonderful that she was able to emotionally touch his heart. ♥
However it offends me when credit is given where credit is not due instead of accepting the fact that SHE did it all by herself!
SHE did it, not any fantasy "help" nor help from a teacher from long ago, who was human not deific.
It appeared that he (the gunman)is a Christian too, which is why going all dogmatic at him made him listen to her, but it had nothing to do with an answered prayer.
If he had been another religion, he may have become even more angry at her Christian praying.
SHE got lucky.
I have my reasons for thinking like this, which I am not going in to at this time.
If my rant offends, sorry about that.
Not going to discuss/argue this, simply wanted to give an opposing view/opinion.

P.S.
I do not intend on going postal, but a religious rant like that would definitely **** me off not calm me down.
Again, she got lucky.
What is it with people? They too often cannot accept or take responsibility for either their own wrongdoings or good actions. They lay the blame or credit on some evil/good deity or influence outside themselves.
"The devil made me do it."
"It was the will of God."
"Praise (insert deity of delusional choice here)".

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Everyone is a student...
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katatonic
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posted October 24, 2009 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i agree with lexx about religion 110%. the power is not outside of us or in the bible or the church (whatever church that may be) or its founding wisemen ...

but i also believe that prayer has power - not to change the outer world but to help one reach that place inside that holds the answers. the fact that so many people think they are reaching a power higher than themselves by praying to it is well messed-up, but the fact that prayer leads to a meditative state that helps us access parts of us we didn't know were there seems evident to me....

so yes, she defused the situation by talking to him! all he needed was for someone to help him get it all out and get some perspective on his life; but SHE stopped her fear and powerlessness by going within through her prayer.

if only people realized that THAT mechanism of going within is what makes prayer work, instead of placing their faith in the church or saints who taught them the prayer! until then religion will remain, the opiate of the masses...

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posted October 24, 2009 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Lexx and Katatonic, we're on the same page


It bothers me that the article is making prayer seem like such a miracle and a life-saver. All it did was make the guy look human, just another person going through hard times. Maybe that's the miracle here.

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posted October 25, 2009 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
I think it's beautiful when people are brought together in powerful meetings like this. What amazed me, was that no one came into the store for over an hour I think she said? I dont think it was necessarily her prayer that stopped it, but it was definitely a divine and intense meeting, that I also think it's really uplifting and hopeful. I'm not praising the lady per say, just how the encounter ended up playing out. I think there was some divine intervention. Not saying it was all the woman and her prayer that stopped it. They, for many reasons, needed to meet up and experience this together.

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shura
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posted October 25, 2009 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message
Depends maybe on whether your definition of prayer has progressed past the level of "Dear Santy Claus, may I please have ..."

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posted October 25, 2009 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
If you look at the event as a whole, and how it played out, it was surely something unique and powerful for the two players involved. I think it was beautiful.

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posted October 25, 2009 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
I agree SC.

And that's what I liked about this situation Tink. Seems right away she was concerning herself with him and his actions, rather than simply screaming or begging and pleading - or praying for her life - (though i'm pretty sure she didnt want to lose it either and there was an element of that there, of course ) Maybe her prayers helped her with this. She started talking to him like a human being. She was asking things like: why do you want to do this? throw your life away...spend your life in jail or worse? and asked where his mother was, then father? etc. and it went from there. I thought that was pretty big of her, to be concerned about him and what he was about to maybe do, too. Not just shutting down or completely sh!tting her pants. She came across as genuine and sincere (to me anyway) and when it was mentioned to her in the interview that everyone was saying how brave she was, she said, no way - that she was extremely scared and not brave at all.

Don't know. Just a perspective on it. Most, most likely wont likely see eye to eye on it. Which is fine of course.

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posted October 25, 2009 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
and the media will put it's own spin on it.

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Valus
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posted October 26, 2009 01:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the video, T.

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Glaucus
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posted October 26, 2009 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I have some Christian beliefs,and part of them are the belief in the power of prayer,divine order,and a higher power. As a a member of a unity church, I believe in affirmative prayer.

I think that it's wonderful that prayer can have such an effect. Of course,I do believe in the inner strength of the person.
I believe that compassion was a big part of it.

I am sorry that she had to go through that though. I am sorry that the man felt like he had no choice to do what he did. I hope that he gets the help that he needs. I hope that his jail time isn't much.

Raymond

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the truth is it only matters relatively"

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shura
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posted October 26, 2009 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shura     Edit/Delete Message
in complete agreement with you, T. (and sunchild)

i was arguing against dismissing prayer.

my point was, if we think of it as not much more than a grocery list, well, yeah, i'd be dismissive of it too.

valus is correct. i need to explain myself once in while.
did ya here that valus!? you might want to copy that for future reference before i come to my senses and edit it out.

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