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Topic: AVATAR: Anti-Globalization Film A Goldmine For Globalists Coke and McDonald's
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shura
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posted January 09, 2010 04:18 AM
 
I agree amowls. Another big stupid spectacle in a neverending line of big stupid spectacles.IP: Logged |
Cheshire Kat
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posted January 09, 2010 01:26 PM
I thought Avatar was ok, but if you liked that you should see, Battle for Terra(I just watched it last night out of curiosity) they both have the same plotline..People fleeing from a dead planet after using up the resources on their home planet(Earth) and then trying to push(or literally)kill the inhabitants of the new planet, so they can live there and repeat the cycle all over again.. Only I feel Battle for Terra was more deeper with addressing the issues then Avatar was that relied on new break-through cinema-graphics to carry it through the box office.. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted January 09, 2010 06:23 PM
That wasn't Avatar's plot, though. They weren't at Pandora to colonize. They were there only for a specific resource.IP: Logged |
Xodian
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posted January 09, 2010 06:32 PM
LMAO! Its so predictable that Valus would be the one to come in here and scream hypocrisy about the context of movies like Avatar and District 9 when the directors of both of the movies made it quite clear that they did not intend to portray any type of political or social issues in their movies. The director of District 9 said it himself that his movie had only one purpose... To entertain. End of. IP: Logged |
Yin
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posted January 11, 2010 03:07 PM
It was only my disbelief that James Cameron will be so ignorant to the message his movie puts out that prompted me to search for more info on the subject. James Cameron's message in "Avatar" according to... James Cameron James Cameron sees "Avatar" as an environmental warning IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted January 11, 2010 03:17 PM
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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted January 11, 2010 04:00 PM
i seriously need to re-consider becoming a philosopher. i can't afford the movies this week. carry on with your rant about hypocricy.IP: Logged |
Valus
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posted January 11, 2010 04:07 PM
Nice links, Yin.
I'm sure Xodian will be back
any moment now to eat his words.
For the record, I liked both films, but District 9 was more to my tastes. Every story told today carries moral implications and can be related to what's going on in the world. If an artist really thinks they can avoid being topical, they're just being naive. They can disavow any intention to create a topical film, but they cannot deny that the film, intended or not, is topical. Responsible artists will be aware of, and concerned with, what their work is saying, and not just concerned with entertaining. If the director of District 9 was not concerned with making a statement, it would disappoint me. Specifically, because he has succeeded in making a brilliant statement, and it would be unfortuneate if modesty prevented him from realizing the deeper significance of his work. I'm pretty sure the parallels to apartheid are intentional, and if Blomkamp did this for entertainment's sake, it may suggest that intellectual and moral depth are necessary to entertain a man like him. I've no objections to that. If he did say that his main, or only, intention is to entertain, I would imagine it's one of those polite things you say in order to avoid confronting viewers' criticism at every turn. I doubt he meant it literally. He seems too smart for that.
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Valus
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posted January 11, 2010 04:09 PM
Here you go, cpn: http://www.watch-movies-online.tv/release_date/ Watch them for free,
if you've got no friends
to insist on taking you. Now you've no excuse. 
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Lara
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posted January 11, 2010 06:44 PM
Why are you all dissing a film that is GREAT. Could you make that film?Exactly, so don't b1tch on it then because it is a visually stunning movie... ! IP: Logged |
LEXX
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion!
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posted January 11, 2010 06:48 PM
Lara!! ------------------
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Everyone is a student...
Learning is eternal.
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Valus
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posted January 11, 2010 07:07 PM
Lara,Who dissed the film? Blue Roamer, amowls... Anyone else? You say "all", but,
apart from those two,
everyone either liked it,
looks forward to seeing it,
gives no opinion, or
refuses to pay for it, --
pressumably, on principles
which concern more than the film. All but two of us who've seen it
are capable of appreciating the film
for what it is, and of excusing it
for not being more than it is. What we are criticizing is
the hypocrisy of the marketing. As a person who has expressed
some pretty radical political views,
I would think you could respect and agree
with the point and purpose of this thread. Even Blue Roamer and amowls,
though they took the opportunity
to say something critical of the film,
clearly understood that the thread is
criticizing the misuse of the film,
and not the film itself. Was it a rehash of Last of the Mohicans,
Dances With Wolves, Pocahontas, etc.?
Sure, it was. And, for most of us,
it was a lot more than that, as well. But this thread is about something else. It's about the misuse of the film
(regardless of whether the film itself
is good, or bad, or indifferent)
by corporations whose interests flatly
contradict those promoted in the film. I hope you understood that.
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Valus
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posted January 11, 2010 07:16 PM
Also, despite the fact that i liked the film,
I do think the millions of dollars that went into
making the movie, -- special effects and all, --
could be better spent on feeding the hungry.The question, "could you make that film?"
is not as important to me as the question,
"would you make it, if you could?,". We can use our advanced technology,
and all the money that goes into it,
to create more visually stunning effects,
or, we can use it to save lives. AVATAR may be hypnotic,
but it doesnt hypnotize me
into forgetting what truly matters. The money that it takes to make it,
and the misuse of the film by corporations
to promote interests that contradict it,
for me, constitute a larger matter than
whether or not the film looked cool.
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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted January 11, 2010 08:23 PM
isn't that stealing?IP: Logged |
Valus
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posted January 11, 2010 10:34 PM
It's not stealing for me
because they're not making
any less money on account of me.
I still pay for the same movies
that I would have paid for before.
The difference is that i see movies
which I would not have paid for,
or seen, otherwise.So, really, in my case,
that site is providing exposure
for artists who would otherwise
remain obscure (to me). Is this stealing?:
Project Gutenberg IP: Logged |
LEXX
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat.........& LEXIGRAMMING... is my Passion!
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posted January 11, 2010 11:16 PM
quote:
I do think the millions of dollars that went into
making the movie, -- special effects and all, --
could be better spent on feeding the hungry.
Why go at only the movie industry?
How about all the folks out there living in bigger houses than they need,
with more or bigger cars than needed,
and having way more than the necessities?
And popping out more kids than zero population growth requires.
And what happens when the hungry are fed without limiting breeding?
Where does one draw the line?
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We can use our advanced technology,
and all the money that goes into it,
to create more visually stunning effects,
or, we can use it to save lives.
Humanity/societies will always want their "Bread and Circuses".
Yes, saving lives is a noble thing. However the movie industry is not the problem.
It is government spending on stupid greed/religion based wars,
and making sure they and their wealthy cronies keep getting richer.
It is also the greedy medical community where many (not all) are not interested in curing illness and disease. More money can be had by keeping people sick and selling expensive and often dangerous or worthless drugs.BTW...Project Gutenberg is a great free educational resource! ------------------
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Everyone is a student...
Learning is eternal.
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Valus
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posted January 12, 2010 10:45 AM
quote:
Why go at only the movie industry?
How about all the folks out there living in bigger houses than they need,
with more or bigger cars than needed,
and having way more than the necessities?
And popping out more kids than zero population growth requires.
And what happens when the hungry are fed without limiting breeding?
Where does one draw the line?
Absolutely, LEXX. You may not have noticed, but these are two of the issues I've been posting about here for the past year or so. I've proposed a salary cap of 10 million dollars per individual, and I've argued against procreation. It's nice to find somebody who doesnt think I'm crazy for doing so. While I never started a thread to criticize the movie industry, I did start this one to draw attention to the marketing of Avatar, which seems to me particularly egregious. I also agree with the other stuff you said, though I think there is plenty of responsibility to go around. While folks will always want their Bread and Circuses, just think how great it would be if, after making their money back and making a living, the creators of Avatar used the excess profits to feed, clothe, house, and heal the needy. Why arent ideas like this commonplace? Maybe, instead of flashy blockbusters, people need to experience a little psilocybin mushrooms. Maybe then they'd wake up to what their so-called leaders are up to. IP: Logged |
Xodian
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From: Canada
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 12, 2010 10:57 AM
Taken from Yin's little article: quote:
I see it as a broader metaphor, not so intensely politicised as some would make it, but rather that's how we treat the natural world as well.
Yeah yeah the "hippy" theme in Avatar is quite obvious but rather then shoving it down people's thorats (like the hardcore nutjobs of PETA and the like) he just placed entertainment value on it. quote:
he said his aim, first and foremost, is to entertain the audience. "I don't think you can lecture people about this stuff -- an entertainment film is a dubious place for information,"
http://www.lifewhile.com/celebrity/22000374/detail.html Does anyone still want to argue?
BTW: I don't know if people are aware of this but District 9 was a sloppy second rate project that Neill Blomkamp turned to after his first intended project was cancelled.
And that project happened to be... Wait for it... Halo: The Movie  . Yep, he wanted to make a movie on a Video Game Lol IP: Logged |
Yin
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posted January 12, 2010 11:13 AM
No, no point in arguing really... it seems to me James Cameron couldn't make up his mind on the movie's message either. Following quote taken from the article X. just posted: quote:
"I could off on a rant about this stuff -- and probably will from time to time because it has great meaning to me," Cameron said. " "To spend four and a half years of my life to have it just be a hollow piece of entertainment wouldn't make any sense."
James Cameron
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Xodian
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posted January 12, 2010 11:24 AM
It has great meaning to him Yin not because of the hippy message but rather the vision he wanted to create and show . He would have made the movie sooner had the technology to create his vision existed back then but obviously it didn't and so he went to work on other projects until recently when he had a chance to watch Lord of the Rings and he was absolutely amazed by the work the effects company Weta Digital did on Golem's character. So he got them to work for Avatar. His first goal was to show the audience the world he envisoned... In short... To entertain . IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted January 12, 2010 12:00 PM
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Absolutely, LEXX. You may not have noticed, but these are two of the issues I've been posting about here for the past year or so.
Yes, and I generally try to stay out of your threads because we argue. quote:
I've proposed a salary cap of 10 million dollars per individual,
Now that I cannot agree to; if you mean a year.
I say a cap of maybe $100,000. Most would do fine on $50,000 a year but most live on far far less than that...like me.
Who the heck "needs" a personal income of 10 million per year?!!!!?  quote:
and I've argued against procreation.
I am only against irresponsible procreation.
Replacement people only or less. quote:
It's nice to find somebody who doesnt think I'm crazy for doing so.
I agree in part but not completely with all you say or your approaches to how you air such things.------------------
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katatonic
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posted January 12, 2010 12:10 PM
no one needs that kind of money...but personally i think it would be sad if we were only allowed to have what we "need". where's the whimsy and the plain old fun in a glass ceiling? ask any woman or minority person who has been fighting that very thing for decades...as to the film, think of all the OTHERWISe hungry artists, actors, musicians, technicians, writers, etc etc etc this film will be feeding! valus do you not think people should be able to make a great living doing what they love? do you not think these people serve a purpose? the money spent on films is paltry compared to, as lexx suggested, the military industrial machine, the banking sector, the space race, etc...i too deplore crass commercialization but i would prefer to see the money spent on creative endeavours than killing machines... IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted January 12, 2010 12:19 PM
I saw the movie with my Native American shaman friend. I enjoyed the movie a lot. I thought that it was the best that I have ever seen. I didn't really read into it in regards to political,racial stuff. I just saw it as a science fiction love story as well as theme of not judging people because they are different for they can be similar as you.
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LEXX
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posted January 12, 2010 12:27 PM
Hippie theme? 
I bolded the words hippy in the quotations.
And it was in my day...Hippie. NOT hippy. Hippie is to be "hip/hep". Hippy is having large hips. Hippie and hippy, homophones with totally different definitions. quote:
Yeah yeah the "hippy" theme in Avatar is quite obvious
[quote]It has great meaning to him Yin not because of the hippy message but rather the vision he wanted to create and show .
Where does anyone get that from Avatar?
I saw a heavy Native American like theme, a space version of "Dances With Wolves", or such.
Not Hippie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dances_with_Wolves
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Xodian
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posted January 12, 2010 12:36 PM
LEXX, the hippy part was placed in quotations for a reason . Maybe I should have been more politically correct and should have said "Left wing loony environmentalist" theme Lol!Anyway, this article here should be proof enough that some people out there need a good kick in the butt. http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html Reminds me of the stereotypical sensitive person that Brendan Frasier played in "Bedazzled." IP: Logged |
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