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Topic: What did Plato really mean?
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Valus Knowflake Posts: 3318 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 20, 2010 11:55 PM
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Valus Knowflake Posts: 3318 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 22, 2010 11:13 AM
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Valus Knowflake Posts: 3318 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 22, 2010 11:26 AM
Schizophrenic or Shamanic? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEglHjd_gUQ
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Yin Knowflake Posts: 1865 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 22, 2010 11:32 AM
quote: The form, which once seemed necessary to legitimize, and bring reverence to, the idea, and, ultimately, to the dynamic life of the spirit, which underlies it, has become an idol.
I am always curious why would we choose to "end up" this way? What in our nature prompts us to be a certain way? How did it become culturally acceptable? Why? Is it a natural progression? I can't help but compare the two very different societies I have been/am a part of. One is materialistic to the bone. The other one was not but now is headed in the same direction and it seems to be gaining speed really fast. Do we need to be utterly materialistic before we can become spiritual again? Do we need to fall before we can stand strong? IP: Logged |
Valus Knowflake Posts: 3318 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 22, 2010 12:22 PM
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Valus Knowflake Posts: 3318 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted February 22, 2010 04:19 PM
“You see, when weaving a blanket, an Indian woman leaves a flaw in the weaving of that blanket to let the soul out.” ~ Martha Graham
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shura Knowflake Posts: 225 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted February 27, 2010 06:47 PM
first post deserves a big bumpIP: Logged |
Valus Knowflake Posts: 3318 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 01, 2010 03:01 PM
Thank you. IP: Logged |
Cardinal Arbiter Knowflake Posts: 235 From: T-dot Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 06, 2010 01:33 AM
everything is conceivable. everything is a result of something etc, and our coming to these conclusions is not exclusive. everything is, whether it's in your perspective or not.we make short cuts when we deem what we focus on to obsolete what we may be presented with were we not focusing on what we short cut in relevance to the moment. And this just builds, though of course we can consider backtracking to be relevant and thus backtrack, philosophize etc, but only as a result of this, all pertaining to universal law. there is no exception. all is. this is. and "idealistic" presumes insecurity, while the whole principle of ontological theory is that everything is certain. or you could say it roots from some other irrelevant initiation, and it's just an exploration of that, but ultimately, it's justified this. My Cancer Mars is pretty resentful of freeloaders at the moment. well basically it always is unless it's packed away and I'm distracted. I could just repeat a thousand times using everything, because it's justifiable by everything, but that's the whole point, and it would be redundant, or at least I'm pretty bloody tired so despite wanting to, I'd **** this out instead. IP: Logged |
Valus Knowflake Posts: 3318 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 06, 2010 02:41 PM
Your post is incoherent.IP: Logged |
Cardinal Arbiter Knowflake Posts: 235 From: T-dot Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 06, 2010 11:41 PM
it was my take on "ideas are things" and the apple stuffIP: Logged |
Valus Knowflake Posts: 3318 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 15, 2010 08:49 AM
Can you say it in English?
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vapor-lash Knowflake Posts: 1860 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted April 15, 2010 10:46 AM
Valus - Interesting Thoughts quote: As a culture, as a people, what we need to remember is that, ultimately, the ideas do not come out of a book. Ultimately, the books come out of an idea.
Do you think this may be circular in a sense? I mean if you look at it as a question: What came first - the written word or the idea? That is a question one could get a definite answer to because there was a point in homo sapien development when "writing" was impossible. So, basically - Someone had to have the idea of "writing" (I am referring to very early symbols and drawings here, rather than writing as we know it today) for writing and then -later- for books to exist. But fast forward to NOW - At present.. Now that that books do exist, I think the idea-writing process has become circular. A majority of us read, so we often derive ideas from those books-articles-newspapers-magazines etc. Later, we might write and put those ideas on paper.. Someone else may read them as I am reading your post now.. and get other ideas and so on. In a sense the written word and the "idea" are correlated and separated by turns. Maybe we could see the "written word" as a means of transportation for the "idea".. whilst remaining a separate entity from the "idea" itself. In that case I would agree with you - the idea deserves ontological status independent of that of the written word -- but there is still a relation there: call it supervenience or what have you.. The significant point is that the relation is not one of *identity*. We can't reduce an "idea" to a "written word" or a cluster of written words for that matter. What do you think? quote: What is needful, above all things, is that we see matter as an emanation of spirit; as spirit a posteriori.
"matter as spirit a posteriori" - That is one of the most interesting things I've read in a long while. I honestly didn't know this was even an "option".. I guess you can blame that on my little materialistic brain LOL. You could write an entire book on this alone. I would gladly read it. IP: Logged |
vapor-lash Knowflake Posts: 1860 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted April 15, 2010 10:51 AM
Cardinal - quote: everything is conceivable. everything is a result of something etc, and our coming to these conclusions is not exclusive. everything is, whether it's in your perspective or not.
Are you saying ideas just are --- *things* -- since, according to you, everything *is* -- but that they do not have to be thought of by any individual (from any particular perspective) in order to exist? So basically an idea can have ontological status, even though it was never *thought* by anyone in the history of man-kind.. or animal-kind for that matter. That's a strange thing to get my mind around. But if that is what you meant, it's pretty intriguing. Maybe I'm misreading you. IP: Logged |
vapor-lash Knowflake Posts: 1860 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted April 15, 2010 10:53 AM
Valus - I think this may be a Mercury problem.. either because Mercury is about to retrograde or because you and Cardinal have square Mercuries. I know his is in Pisces - I wasn't sure whether yours was Sag.I honestly didn't think Cardinal was being "intellectual" for the sake of it. IP: Logged |
Valus Knowflake Posts: 3318 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 15, 2010 12:25 PM
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