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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted June 03, 2010 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message
This is something that irks me to no end. People who use it as an excuse for not changing and improving. *insert complaining tone here* But I've got flabblesnatch in crunk. I can't possibly stop my (fill in the blank) behaviour.

Oh no, because that would take some hard work wouldn't it. Some effort. Some mindfulness. Oh poor poor baby!

Bah-Humbug.

Ok rant over.

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katatonic
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posted June 03, 2010 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
or the converse, i have suchnsuch in sonso so i am OBVIOUSLY superior to you...

and there's always "saturn MADE me do it!" etc

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MyVirgoMask
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posted June 03, 2010 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Agreed!

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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted June 03, 2010 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message
Oh Thank Goddess I'm not alone here!!!

I just want to tell these people to STFU already. There's people out there with REAL problems, you know like not having enough to eat, bombs dropping outside their house, or h3ll even ON their house...

Did either of you ever see this online? I can't find a picture of it now, but it's all back, and it says in large letters:

STOP IT
~ GOD

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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted June 03, 2010 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message
If you're not totally asleep

you know that your head is in a different place now

and that you do have a chance to change your life

forever.

But how?
It should be dawning on everybody that

it's not always one simple event that "happens" to you

It is often only

you

who will have to do things differently

that is what makes the change

how YOU are going to change things

how YOU are going to act openly

to shift your own patterns of behavior.

That is the secret of Uranus in Aries.

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bunnies
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posted June 03, 2010 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
Oh I agree entirely.
The wailing of "Why did he just tell me to f*** off and that he never wants to see me again. Is it because Saturn is conjunct my a*se?
No dear. It's possible that he is sick of you following him around waving charts every time he farts and trying to find a bloomin' reason for everything that happens.
Sometimes people just go off you...end of...

And asking men for their birth times on a first date...or even before a first date...even for nutters on online dating sites.. "We haven't met yet but our synastry is awesome" (that is until you find yourself locked in his underground dungeon along with all his previous soulmates)
"Don't worry ladies. I think his Scorpio moon is badly aspected. That's probably why he's a bit cranky.He'll let us out when Mercury stops going retrograde"
Madness!!!

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katatonic
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posted June 03, 2010 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
stunning little stanza there, abs. have you got head in clouds conjunct gc?

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Musette
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posted June 04, 2010 04:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Musette     Edit/Delete Message
I agree. It's ridiculous to use anything in an astrology chart as an excuse. It's the same as saying, "Oh, I have to be a jerk to everyone because I was born with brown hair!"

The same goes for the whole "I'm superior to others because of my astrology chart" shtick.

Bunnies,

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Cynnared
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posted June 04, 2010 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message
It is sheer madness and sickening to see.

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teasel
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posted June 04, 2010 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
If you're not totally asleep
you know that your head is in a different place now

and that you do have a chance to change your life

forever.

But how?
It should be dawning on everybody that

it's not always one simple event that "happens" to you

It is often only

you

who will have to do things differently

that is what makes the change

how YOU are going to change things

how YOU are going to act openly

to shift your own patterns of behavior.

That is the secret of Uranus in Aries.


Michael Lutin?

quote:
But I've got flabblesnatch in crunk.

That sounds more uncomfortable than Saturn square Pluto...

I try not to hide behind astrology, but I've hidden behind other things, like anxiety (very real anxiety, but I didn't push through it). It only occasionally bugs me in others.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted June 04, 2010 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Bunnies

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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted June 04, 2010 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message
@ Kat

Yes I do have those aspects, however, Michael Lutin wrote that.

@Bunnies


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*Insert best Scarlet voice here* Flabblesnatch in Crunk is very painful! It's why I just can't be nicer to people...I can't help myself. Heavens! I think I'm getting the vapors!

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Cheshire Kat
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posted June 05, 2010 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cheshire Kat     Edit/Delete Message
I hate when people tell me my problems are not real..like no shat there not real to you because your not experiencing them are you..

For example some white heterosexual female griped about how discrimination against black gay women is ridiculous..I seriously wanted to tell her how effin ridiculous she was being..

I've always wanted to punch those type of people in the face..=X

Yes, I have Moon opposite Mars I try to be calm but some people like "her" push my buttons..

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MyVirgoMask
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posted June 05, 2010 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Absinthe, I love your posts - and love how very down to earth you are. You're truly an Earth Mother, I see you as very competent and grounded - it's beautiful, really

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Glaucus
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posted June 05, 2010 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
MVM,
I takes one to know one.

I always stress that free will is the ultimate factor.

I believe that Astrology is about synchronicity and not cause and effect.

I don't like when people blame something that goes wrong in their lives because of something in their charts.

I also don't like when people are afraid to do something because of some transit.


I think that I get the most annoyed when people pin communication problems,arguments, and just not seeing eye to eye on things on a retrograde Mercury.

It could just be that a person doesn't share one's views.

I also just can't stand Sunsign Astrology. It's so limiting. I definitely get annoyed when people try to pin down as a Scorpio because my Sun is in that sign. I definitely don't like people dictating to me what my lessons because I have Sun in Scorpio.

I like for people consider my whole chart. I want people to see the overall picture when it comes to me and not just focus on one thing and then judge me on it. If they do that, then they miss out on me.


I do think that people that use Astrology as a crutch support the arguments of critics against Astrology in regards to using Astrology dismiss responsibility in one's life.

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind.
http://people.tribe.net/4b0cf8c4-1fc3-4171-92d3-b0915985bf95/blog

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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted June 05, 2010 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
I hate when people tell me my problems are not real..like no shat there not real to you because your not experiencing them are you..

Now this is an entirely different issue. I dislike that as well. And as far as that woman telling you discrimination doesn't exist. It sure doesn't for her I would have wanted to punch her in the face too. What a turd.

@MVM

Thank you. That's so nice of you to say. I do my best to be a dirty hippy

I think you're a very wonderful person too!

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BearsArcher
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posted June 09, 2010 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearsArcher     Edit/Delete Message
OMG! Absolutely. I hate when people state that they can't help it because "insert sign here". Don't they realize we do have free will and are more than a sum of our planetary positions?

I also can't stand people that automatically exclude people based on their signs. I remember meeting someone and they said 'Oh, I NEVER get along with Saggies, you are all party animals that never take the world seriously". Umm.. okay. Not a big loss to me LOL.

I think there is so much to a person other than their sign or other planetary positions but to others, that is all their is (or their excuse for their behaviour).

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Coffee
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posted June 10, 2010 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
Apart from predicting and making money from predictions (I have some horses as clients, who are just down the road in a field) astrology is there to understand yourself and others. Changing and improving is a result from that.
You don't have to be an expert or to use astrology in the correct way. Look at the houses, any empty ones, consider it an area of life that needs improving, or look at a house with lots of planets and consider that area of life to work on, even if it's fine. At it's most basic, astrology is a tool (a very accurate tool) which can be used for suggestions. Very much like you can use astrology as a calender. Wow, imagine if it was a real calender! (you can feel the sarcasm)

All those: y'know, like, I mean, y'know, it was my chart y'know. Look, handbag cheap.

All those and a fair few younger ones getting into astrology who use it as an excuse, or cause of things, can be a little misguided with the blame. A planet likely showed an event that happened, more in the way of being a clock rather than making something happen. Just the language used.

Yeah, personal free will is available to all.

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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted June 10, 2010 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Don't they realize we do have free will and are more than a sum of our planetary positions?

I also can't stand people that automatically exclude people based on their signs.


Simple layman's Saggie Truth there for ya

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Deliverance
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posted June 11, 2010 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deliverance     Edit/Delete Message
Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but people using astrology as a crutch
or as means to show their perceived superiority over others doesn't bother me at all.
If they choose to rely on it or use it as an excuse for not improving, that's their business,
their lesson, their drama & their path - not mine.


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katatonic
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posted June 11, 2010 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
you're right of course, deliverance. just kvetching really!! however i have recently been treated to one of these people denying my point of view because they were obviously more advanced than i, even though they have no clue what is in my chart!! while i don't take these people personally or seriously that was the end of the conversation!

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