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Valus
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posted June 28, 2010 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
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Italian Diet Secrets
How the Italian people manage to stay slim in the land of pizza and pasta.
By Kathleen M. Zelman, MPH, RD, LD
WebMD
FeatureReviewed by Louise Chang, MD

We've all heard about how the French diet and lifestyle help protect Frenchwomen (and men) from the obesity epidemic that plagues the U.S. But what about the other Mediterranean countries -- like Italy, where obesity is rare despite an abundance of pasta and other delectable dishes? Are there Italian diet secrets we could learn from as well?

Studies show that a Mediterranean-style diet has many health benefits, from reducing the risk of heart disease and cancer, to living a longer life. But something must be getting lost in translation. Many of Americans' favorite Italian foods, like cheese-laden pepperoni pizza and fettuccini Alfredo, are anything but healthy.

On a recent trip to Italy, I decided to see for myself what the Italians' diet secrets were. My trip started in northern Italy, in the Tuscan region, and ended 12 days later further south on the Amalfi coast. My mission was rest, relaxation -- and finding out how the Italians manage to enjoy delectable Mediterranean foods, yet maintain healthy weights..... http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/italian-diet-secrets

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posted June 28, 2010 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
From the article above:

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It also became obvious that the typical Italian diet is very different from what you see on an American Italian restaurant menu.

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posted June 28, 2010 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Good point, kat.
Very good point, Yin.

Also from the article:

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Before and after dinner, many Italians engage in the passagiata, a leisurely stroll through town. Generations walk together, talking and keeping alive a cherished tradition... [Italians] eat very little red meat... [Dinner] is not served too late (to allow time for proper digestion)... Mineral water is the preferred beverage, along with a glass of red wine. All portions tend to be small when compared to our own supersized quantities... [They have] a very active lifestyle, with lots of walking or bike riding, especially in urban areas of the country... In addition, Italians usually satisfy a sweet tooth with fruit instead of higher-calorie desserts... Olive oil is the preferred oil, used extensively in cooking and on salads. But you won't typically find it on the table for bread dunking as we enjoy in America... "We start with fresh ingredients, often from our own gardens. We don't buy precooked foods."

My parents took a vacation to Italy not long ago and were shocked to find real food, lol. They never tasted anything like it before. You can't find food like that here, not even on an organic farm. Raw dairy is illegal to sell, for one thing, and animals in Italy are largely raised on local farms. From what I've heard, the meat is mostly butchered and sold the next day. But everything here is pasteurized and even the grass-fed animals don't make it to your plate overnight. They also walk everywhere in Europe. This would explain what's happened to so many Italian-Americans, who think they're dietary habits will translate into "The New World".

While obesity may be termed "relatively rare" when you compare it to obesity in America and factor in the richness of the foods, we know that, from a healthy standpoint, it's not at all rare. The image of the fat Italian mother is well-nigh archetypal. And if it can happen there, it will happen here.


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posted June 28, 2010 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
The problem is that most Americans tend to eat in excess - so even if the food is rich in Mediterranean countries (and like Yin said, more fresh in general), the meals are broken up and eaten throughout the day. There's no sitting down to just eat a huge meal which is huge in quantity anyway.
Portions tend to be smaller in a lot of other countries...unless they are starting to adopt American habits (because they want to be like America) and then the plates are getting bigger.
I don't know what this obsession is in the US with large plates of food. It horrifies me to see a huge quantity of food being served on a plate - why can't you just eat a little, enjoy it, and then see if you're hungry and order a little more? There's none of that here, no reflection or contemplation, and dialogue with the self, there's like this plowing straight through, systematically. Who enjoys a meal that way! That's not even eating, it's just guzzling!!!
It really irritates me to see

It's a case where we live in a society which honors the menu, not the food itself!!

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posted June 28, 2010 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
BTW! Per the whole American-Italian food thing and its translation, has anyone seen the movie Big Night? It's really amazing!!
This scene right here says it all, about the translation of Italian to American (in the 50s at least lol) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URdCltP8rqA&feature=related

Also, a lot of the Italian-American food is not the same in Italy. Spaghetti with meatballs, for example, is not Italian, but Italian-American. Those foods tend to be heartier and starchier - Italian food in general, esp Northern Italian, are less starch-based. It's just that the food's been bastardized and that's another reason why you will see it lost in translation.

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posted June 28, 2010 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

The clip.

You repeated some really good points,
but I think we already said it better.

No offense.

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posted June 28, 2010 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
"...we already said it better."

Whatevs!

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while i was living in england my mother became friendly with a transplanted english woman here in the states. because they worked together, they had lunch together often and almost as often the englishwoman was moved to point out that "you could feed a family of four in england with this plate alone..."

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posted June 28, 2010 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Kat, when I was in Cairo a couple of years ago i was horrified to see how Americanized it had become with the food quantities - plates had almost tripled in size and the younger generation was all excited about the Chili's and Applebee's which were open. My younger sister thought I would feel 'at home' if I visited those places and I was cringing and carrying on about how terrible it was that Cairo would adopt such a horrendous trend!
It's getting ridiculous to visit places internationally and see this. I can understand the malls and some of the media stuff ... but the food.... good lord, WHY???
YUCK!

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posted June 29, 2010 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZt8XZYSkvc&NR=1

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posted June 29, 2010 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

kat and MVM,

Both good points.

Things are different outside America,
but big money is changing that fast.

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posted June 29, 2010 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

SunChild,

"Bless your food"

"Choose love, not fear"

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