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Valus
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posted June 29, 2010 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

...Who Have Healed Themselves Naturally?

Many people know someone who's had it,
but most people have never met, talked to,
or even so much as listened to, just one
person who's taken the road less traveled.

The following documentaries contain
first-hand testimonies from people who
have been healed of cancer naturally.

Dying To Have Known (Watch NOW)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7357629140536485998#

Healing Cancer: from inside out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xkyMAYmrQY

The Beautiful Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye4N8EH3dog

The Gerson Miracle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY-HsoJ0gr0

The Gerson Therapy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8384134159042346609#


"Being ignorant is not so much a shame,
as being unwilling to learn."

~ Benjamin Franklin

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katatonic
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posted June 29, 2010 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
are you familiar with louise hay?

i only know one person who has healed completely naturally. i've known a couple who failed to do so...i know many who did so with simple surgery and refusing the rest of the palette of treatments offered. some changed their lifestyles and some did not.

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Valus
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posted June 29, 2010 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Watch one of those documentaries. I dare you.

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katatonic
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posted June 29, 2010 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
as i've mentioned videos are difficult for me - i spend my money on food and other essentials not computer connections...and at the moment i am occupied during library hours so as soon as i can i will watch them.

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Lara
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posted June 29, 2010 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I know quite a few who beat it naturally... if i had it, i would no way get allopathic treatment.

Alternative Health is a major hobby of mine and i study it intensively so i'm always a step ahead of the pharmaceutical companies.

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posted June 29, 2010 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know anyone who healed it naturally.
A very good family friend who I'd known since i was really young was diagnosed with blood cancer and completely changed her lifestyle (diet, everything...healers, etc. etc.)
She was also extremely wealthy and could afford to do all kinds of drastic but amazing treatments...but in the end she ended up dying.
Same with another friend of mine who was diagnosed with it and who was INCREDIBLE - one of the most positive, amazing people I had ever met. She had chosen to laugh instead of suffer (that was her remedy and what she said she had to choose since she could not afford any kind of treatment).
She also died. No one saw it coming - we all thought she would beat it with her diet change and guts and laughter.

I don't know that everyone with cancer can be cured. The natural way works for some (I hear of it) but not for everyone (everyone's body is different).
I also think sometimes certain people decide to check out around that time...
It really, really depends.

It makes me sad to think though that there's any suggestion that maybe someone dies because of methods they did not try. There will always be a method which is not tried in retrospect, I would think.
Of course the pharma is evil and horrid. No argument there.

I will watch this as I'm working today. My dad has cancer and has had it for 6 years. He has multiple myeloma.
Drs keep saying he should not be alive by 'regular standards' and should've been dead after 2 years. He's gone into remission about 3 times, but multiple myeloma is not the type of cancer to be cured since it's so damn different and in a class of its own. Only about 5% from what I hear are cured and by cured they are in remission.

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posted June 29, 2010 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
I dont know anyone who healed it naturally either. Even Ramakrishna died of cancer. It's a horrible disease.

Seems Gerson therapy is highly controversial.

quote:
Max Gerson (18 October 18818 March 1959) was a German physician who developed the Gerson Therapy, an alternative dietary therapy which he claimed could cure cancer and most chronic, degenerative diseases. Gerson described his approach in the book A Cancer Therapy: Results of 50 Cases. However, when Gerson's claims were independently evaluated by the National Cancer Institute (NCI), it was found that Gerson's records lacked the basic information necessary to systematically evaluate his claims. The NCI concluded that Gerson's data showed no benefit from his treatment.[1] The therapy is considered scientifically unsupported and potentially hazardous,[2][3] and has been blamed for the deaths of patients who substituted it for standard medical care....[4]
Evidence

Gerson's therapy has not been independently tested or subjected to randomized controlled trials, and thus is illegal to market in the United States. The Gerson Institute claims that Gerson's observational studies and case reports are anecdotal evidence of the efficacy of the treatment.[8] In his book, Gerson cites the "Results of 50 Cases"; however, the U.S. National Cancer Institute reviewed these 50 cases and was unable to find any evidence that Gerson's claims were accurate.[3] Gerson Institute staff published a case series in the alternative medical literature; however, the series suffered from significant methodological flaws, and no independent entity has been able to reproduce the Gerson Institute's claims.[3]

Independent anecdotal evidence suggests that the Gerson Therapy is not effective against cancer. When a group of 13 patients sickened by elements of the Gerson Therapy were evaluated in hospitals in San Diego in the early 1980s, all of them were found to still have active cancer.[7] The Gerson Institute's claimed "cure rates" have been questioned; an investigation by Quackwatch found that the Institute's claims of cure were based not on actual documentation of survival, but on "a combination of the doctor's estimate that the departing patient has a 'reasonable chance of surviving,' plus feelings that the Institute staff have about the status of people who call in."[9] In 1994, a study published in the alternative medical literature described 18 patients treated for cancer with the Gerson Therapy. Their median survival from treatment was 9 months. Five years after receiving the Gerson treatment, 17 of the 18 patients had died of their cancer, while the one surviving patient had active non-Hodgkin lymphoma.[10]

The American Cancer Society reports that "[t]here is no reliable scientific evidence that Gerson therapy is effective in treating cancer, and the principles behind it are not widely accepted by the medical community. It is not approved for use in the United States."[2] In 1947, the National Cancer Institute reviewed 10 "cures" submitted by Gerson; however, all of the patients were receiving standard anticancer treatment simultaneously, making it impossible to determine what effect, if any, was due to Gerson's therapy.[11] A review of the Gerson Therapy by Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center concluded: "If proponents of such therapies wish them to be evaluated scientifically and considered valid adjuvant treatments, they must provide extensive records (more than simple survival rates) and conduct controlled, prospective studies as evidence...."[3]

[edit] Safety concerns

...Coffee enemas have contributed to the deaths of at least three people in the United States. Coffee enemas "can cause colitis (inflammation of the bowel), fluid and electrolyte imbalances, and in some cases septicaemia."[12] The recommended diet may not be nutritionally adequate...[13]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Gerson

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posted June 29, 2010 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
somewhat off topic but why aren't these threads in health and healing??

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted June 29, 2010 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
sorry to hear that mvm. i understand completely!

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Yin
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posted June 29, 2010 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting, Peri.
Hard to know who's telling the truth, isn't it?
The Gerson Clinic has all the patients records out for everyone to see. Maybe if we could take a look at those...
The Health forum I follow has one guy who went to the Gerson clinic in Hungary and was able to reverse a very advanced form of pancreatic cancer. I don't think he would have a reason to lie.

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posted June 29, 2010 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Coffee enemas? Oh my.

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posted June 29, 2010 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks, CPN

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Peri
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posted June 29, 2010 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
I agree Yin you never know whom to trust, I just think people that consider going on the Gerson diet should be very careful and take "the Gerson miracle" with a grain of salt lest it should cause them more harm than good. It would be awesome if this therapy really worked but unfortunately you never know for sure.

P.S. how are you?

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posted June 29, 2010 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Peri,

Of course it's controversial.

The official position is that
this is quackery.

Nobody denies that. On the contrary,
it's part of what I've been saying.

The people who want to silence Gerson
are in control of the AMA and they
determine what doctors are "taught".

They brainwash doctors and tell them
Gerson has been studied and found lacking,
but the truth is something else.

Wikipedia won't even publish disputed claims,
unless the establishment defends them.

If you try to post unpopular facts,
they'll just delete them and tell you
"this is an unbiased site," etc.

There's a lot of information out there,
but if it's far from mainstream,
you won't find it on Wikipedia.

A little independent research
goes a long way.

I really think folks should
just watch the documentaries
and listen to the testimonies.

It's not about claims
made by people selling something.

It's mostly about real people
sharing real experiences.

I respect you for keeping an open mind.

It's absurd for people to take hard-line positions
when they haven't even seen one of these films.

I myself would be highly skeptical
if I hadn't seen and heard this stuff.

I've always been able to look at,
and listen to, a person, and know
if they're full of sh!t, or if
they at least believe themselves.

Maybe it's a Scorpio thing.

I don't expect people to believe me,
but I'm telling it anyway.

You have to admit,
it's pretty easy sometimes.
I mean, if you saw and heard George Bush
and didn't know he was full of it,
then you've got an antennae loose.
Am I wrong?

These people are sincere
and so are the results they got.

I know it in my heart.

Anybody who's watched the films
is more than welcome to disagree.

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posted June 29, 2010 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

MVM,


Can you be specific?

I hear words like "healthy"
and "lifestyle change", etc.

But these can mean different things
to different people.

Specifically,
what did they eat and not eat?

Did they do colon hydrotherapy?

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posted June 29, 2010 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
mvm has made a valid point, not everyone can be healed. for some it is just their time. and cancer is the route that takes them. others survive it once only to succumb later. yet others survive it multiple times using multiple methods of healing.

though cancer used to be considered an old person's disease and therefore a cumulative degenerative situation, i remember reading "death be not proud" 40+ years ago, which is about a young boy with a brain tumour (inoperable) and his family's process living with it...and childhood leukemia has been with us as long as i can remember (and i am ancient as you know). my niece had it and succumbed to the chemo very rapidly, at age 5...her mother will never go for chemo herself, that is for sure.

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posted June 29, 2010 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Peri,
I'm happy.
And you?

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posted June 29, 2010 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
well you could do an independant study valus. free even. major cities craigslist, wait for 1000 respondants and then see for yourself..

i personally don't want to know if people do coffee enemas or anything else they stick up thier butt. seriously, I don't want to know. IF I were sick, I don't know for certain i would be able to bring myself to utilize that therapy.

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posted June 29, 2010 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
The family friend changed to a virtually raw diet since her body could not handle cooked food properly. I don't know about the colon stuff, tho I do know she took drastic measures so... I am not privy to the exact details, but I do know specifically that she radically changed to a very holistic and natural healing methods, incorporating massage and the like as well...she very much believed strongly in the natural way to do things.
And yet she died very suddenly...so I guess my point here is that you just never know. Maybe it was just her time to go....I have no idea. Maybe she should've or could've done more, or less, etc.
It's really hard to tell for certain. I strongly believe in taking things like this on a case to case basis so that the individual is treated according to what they need. One way might work for one person and yet might not work for another, I don't think there's a uniform way for dealing with cancer

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posted June 29, 2010 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
in fact, i think i would say no to chemo, and say no to coffee enemas. i probobly wouldnt tell one living person. if it was operable, i would elect a surgery, but not chemo, no modifications to my life, and no enemas.

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posted June 29, 2010 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
also, Kat,

if you saw my thread to iQ,
then you know I'm not closed off.

i admitted he was right
and i was wrong.

and i showed how seriously
i researched his claim.

i still stand by the Gerson method
and I explained my reasons for that as well.

gotta run

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posted June 29, 2010 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I also feel that having lived with a dad who's had cancer for so many years, I know the impact on loved ones...if anything I've noticed that those with the cancer (often!) aren't freaking out nearly as much as those loved ones around them. And the loved ones are frequently also wanting to incorporate very drastic measures, which sometimes are not what the person wants. So there's this other side of it...and I think that the loved ones offer support and pushing to try when it's appropriate, and sometimes the person just feels that's enough, you need to let go, because I am ready to let go as well.

And yet other times people with cancer also find their own well of strength during those times.

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posted June 29, 2010 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

MVM,

I asked for specifics.

Did she take flax oil?

Did she eat dairy? meat?

Did she juice?

Or do any of the things
that I have defined
as natural healing?

Sh!t, i really have to run now.

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posted June 29, 2010 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
that's awesome Yin, way to go!

I am good too, thanks

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posted June 29, 2010 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
CPN, my mother and I were totally against chemo for my dad, but he insisted on it.
She was totally against a stem cell transplant as well, but he was hellbent on getting it.

I don't agree with his methods - we've seen him suffer mercilessly with this process. But ultimately it's his choice...what can I say? I am totally against this stuff and so is my mother, and we thought he would be as well. My dad is like Mr Zen lol...yet when he got cancer he made his choice and basically told my mom that it wasn't up to her, and she could go to hell if she didn't support his choice of chemo.

Slippery slope.

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