posted June 29, 2010 10:21 AM         

Many people know someone who's had it,
but most people have never met, talked to,
or even so much as listened to, just one
person who's taken the road less traveled.

The following documentaries contain
first-hand testimonies from people who
have been healed of cancer naturally.

Dying To Have Known (Watch NOW)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7357629140536485998#

Healing Cancer: from inside out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xkyMAYmrQY

The Beautiful Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye4N8EH3dog

The Gerson Miracle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY-HsoJ0gr0

The Gerson Therapy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8384134159042346609#

"Being ignorant is not so much a shame,
as being unwilling to learn."

posted June 29, 2010 02:28 PM         

I don't know that everyone with cancer can be cured. The natural way works for some (I hear of it) but not for everyone (everyone's body is different).
I also think sometimes certain people decide to check out around that time...
It really, really depends.

It makes me sad to think though that there's any suggestion that maybe someone dies because of methods they did not try. There will always be a method which is not tried in retrospect, I would think.
Of course the pharma is evil and horrid. No argument there.

posted June 29, 2010 03:11 PM         

Seems Gerson therapy is highly controversial.

quote:

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Max Gerson (18 October 1881–8 March 1959) was a German physician who developed the Gerson Therapy, an alternative dietary therapy which he claimed could cure cancer and most chronic, degenerative diseases. Gerson described his approach in the book A Cancer Therapy: Results of 50 Cases. However, when Gerson's claims were independently evaluated by the National Cancer Institute (NCI), it was found that Gerson's records lacked the basic information necessary to systematically evaluate his claims. The NCI concluded that Gerson's data showed no benefit from his treatment.[1] The therapy is considered scientifically unsupported and potentially hazardous,[2][3] and has been blamed for the deaths of patients who substituted it for standard medical care....[4]
Evidence

Gerson's therapy has not been independently tested or subjected to randomized controlled trials, and thus is illegal to market in the United States. The Gerson Institute claims that Gerson's observational studies and case reports are anecdotal evidence of the efficacy of the treatment.[8] In his book, Gerson cites the "Results of 50 Cases"; however, the U.S. National Cancer Institute reviewed these 50 cases and was unable to find any evidence that Gerson's claims were accurate.[3] Gerson Institute staff published a case series in the alternative medical literature; however, the series suffered from significant methodological flaws, and no independent entity has been able to reproduce the Gerson Institute's claims.[3]

Independent anecdotal evidence suggests that the Gerson Therapy is not effective against cancer. When a group of 13 patients sickened by elements of the Gerson Therapy were evaluated in hospitals in San Diego in the early 1980s, all of them were found to still have active cancer.[7] The Gerson Institute's claimed "cure rates" have been questioned; an investigation by Quackwatch found that the Institute's claims of cure were based not on actual documentation of survival, but on "a combination of the doctor's estimate that the departing patient has a 'reasonable chance of surviving,' plus feelings that the Institute staff have about the status of people who call in."[9] In 1994, a study published in the alternative medical literature described 18 patients treated for cancer with the Gerson Therapy. Their median survival from treatment was 9 months. Five years after receiving the Gerson treatment, 17 of the 18 patients had died of their cancer, while the one surviving patient had active non-Hodgkin lymphoma.[10]

The American Cancer Society reports that "[t]here is no reliable scientific evidence that Gerson therapy is effective in treating cancer, and the principles behind it are not widely accepted by the medical community. It is not approved for use in the United States."[2] In 1947, the National Cancer Institute reviewed 10 "cures" submitted by Gerson; however, all of the patients were receiving standard anticancer treatment simultaneously, making it impossible to determine what effect, if any, was due to Gerson's therapy.[11] A review of the Gerson Therapy by Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center concluded: "If proponents of such therapies wish them to be evaluated scientifically and considered valid adjuvant treatments, they must provide extensive records (more than simple survival rates) and conduct controlled, prospective studies as evidence...."[3]

[edit] Safety concerns

...Coffee enemas have contributed to the deaths of at least three people in the United States. Coffee enemas "can cause colitis (inflammation of the bowel), fluid and electrolyte imbalances, and in some cases septicaemia."[12] The recommended diet may not be nutritionally adequate...[13]

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posted June 29, 2010 04:12 PM         

Of course it's controversial.

The official position is that
this is quackery.

Nobody denies that. On the contrary,
it's part of what I've been saying.

The people who want to silence Gerson
are in control of the AMA and they
determine what doctors are "taught".

They brainwash doctors and tell them
Gerson has been studied and found lacking,
but the truth is something else.

Wikipedia won't even publish disputed claims,
unless the establishment defends them.

If you try to post unpopular facts,
they'll just delete them and tell you
"this is an unbiased site," etc.

There's a lot of information out there,
but if it's far from mainstream,
you won't find it on Wikipedia.

A little independent research
goes a long way.

I really think folks should
just watch the documentaries
and listen to the testimonies.

It's not about claims
made by people selling something.

It's mostly about real people
sharing real experiences.

I respect you for keeping an open mind.

It's absurd for people to take hard-line positions
when they haven't even seen one of these films.

I myself would be highly skeptical
if I hadn't seen and heard this stuff.

I've always been able to look at,
and listen to, a person, and know
if they're full of sh!t, or if
they at least believe themselves.

Maybe it's a Scorpio thing.

I don't expect people to believe me,
but I'm telling it anyway.

You have to admit,
it's pretty easy sometimes.
I mean, if you saw and heard George Bush
and didn't know he was full of it,
then you've got an antennae loose.
Am I wrong?

These people are sincere
and so are the results they got.

I know it in my heart.

posted June 29, 2010 04:18 PM         

Can you be specific?

I hear words like "healthy"
and "lifestyle change", etc.

But these can mean different things
to different people.

Specifically,
what did they eat and not eat?

posted June 29, 2010 04:34 PM         

i personally don't want to know if people do coffee enemas or anything else they stick up thier butt. seriously, I don't want to know. IF I were sick, I don't know for certain i would be able to bring myself to utilize that therapy.

posted June 29, 2010 04:42 PM         

if you saw my thread to iQ,
then you know I'm not closed off.

i admitted he was right
and i was wrong.

and i showed how seriously
i researched his claim.

i still stand by the Gerson method
and I explained my reasons for that as well.

posted June 29, 2010 04:44 PM         

I asked for specifics.

Did she take flax oil?

Did she eat dairy? meat?

Did she juice?

Or do any of the things
that I have defined
as natural healing?

Sh!t, i really have to run now.