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Valus
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posted July 21, 2010 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
A great little article from a great little site:
http://peterrollins.net/blog/

I don’t want to know what I know
July 13th, 2010

"It has been said that man is a rational animal.
All my life I have been searching for evidence which could support this."
~Bertrand Russell

It was Aristotle who first defined human beings as rational animals. Without getting too deep into what Aristotle meant when he wrote this we can see how the idea informs the popular understanding of how education can help people undergo change.

For instance, when it comes to issues like environmental crisis, animal abuse, persecution of minorities etc. it is often said that what we need to do is get the truth out to as many people as possible. There will, of course, always be some who don’t care. But those who seek to be kind and loving individuals will be challenged by what they hear and endeavor to change. In this way documentaries like An Inconvenient Truth, Food Inc, and The Lottery help to positively impact society.

There are two basic reasons why this view is held. Firstly, such documentaries do generally tell us something that we don’t already know. Secondly, to a greater or lesser degree they seem to make a positive impact. However I would like to argue that this explanation misses something vital and, as such, fails to explain the phenomenon of resistance. Namely the situation in which people refuse to watch such documentaries (or engage in conversation about the issues they raise) by offering lame excuses, a host of unformulated arguments and/or visible bodily discomfort at the mere suggestion.

Of course there are many situations that we are genuinely ignorant of. But by the time a major film or book is released on some ethical subject it is generally the case that there is some knowledge about the issues among the general population. So, while such documentaries do indeed offer us information that we may not have known before, perhaps understanding their real power requires a more nuanced reading.

It is difficult to deny that offering information to people concerning ethically disgusting practices can facilitate change. But rather than this being connected with the idea that we now know something that we were previously ignorant of we must ask whether it might actually be because we can no longer pretend that we don’t know.

Hard as it might be for us to accept, what if we already know that our desire for cheap food and clothes feeds gross cruelty and suffering? What if we already know that the way we live is excessive and that there are ways to consume that minimize our damage on this earth? What if we already know that some of the things we desire are not worthy of our admiration?

At a basic level we might wish to pretend to those around us that we don’t know about something that would require us to change because we don’t want them to witness our more callous nature. However, at a more fundamental level, we are often attempting to pull the wool over our own eyes. Pretending to ourselves that we don’t know what we already know. In this situation we want to maintain a certain self-image and thus seek to suppress anything that would challenge it. The difference between not knowing and not wanting to know that we know is evidenced in the psychological phenomenon called Resistance.

Resistance is seen when, as mentioned above, people emotionally react to something that does not, in itself, need to be responded to in an emotional way. For instance there is a huge difference between someone not seeing a film on some challenging issue because they are genuinely busy and one who offers up a range of ridiculous excuses and half-baked arguments for why they are not attending.

To take an example of resistance I recently witnessed a conversation about hybrid cars in which one of the people took visible pleasure in pointing out that the environmental impact of driving a new hybrid was much greater than that of driving a large, previously built, SUV. What was interesting was not the information itself but the way that the individual delivered it. The information was not given as a means of seriously forwarding the discussion concerning how we minimize our negative impact on the environment, but rather as a means of shutting down a conversation that was making that person feel uncomfortable about their own desires and lifestyle.

We witness a similar logic happening when, after the Second World War many civilians in Germany said that they did not know what was happening to their Jewish neighbors. This is no doubt true in the sense that they would not have known the full facts. However there were enough hints around to point to the reality that people actively tried to avoid finding out what was happening for fear that they would then need to act. Something most of us would have done if we had been there (because it is what most of us do today concerning all kinds of injustice).

So the issue here is not that we fail to know something, but rather that we don’t want to know that we know. For when we know that we know then we are forced to change our behaviour, offer embarrassing counter-arguments that make it obvious we don’t really care or simply admit our lack of concern (which is at least to be respected more than pretending that we do care).

This also has its corollary in religious issues. Many people avoid reading books that question their ideas on scripture, sexuality, the afterlife etc. because there is a part of them that already knows that their views are wishful thinking or unfounded. While resistance, with a little training, can be easy to spot in other people, it is more difficult when it comes to ourselves. However, when confronted with something that challenges us we must be sensitive to our own reactions, working out whether we experience emotional resistance and, if so, what it is we are hiding from ourselves.

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Yin
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posted July 21, 2010 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
♥ Thank you for feeding my mind and thus my soul once again, Valus. ♥

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katatonic
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posted July 21, 2010 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i receive periodic communications from the whitehouse.gov site. today a letter apparently written by michelle obama informed me about the benefits of the new healthcare plan...and links to get comprehensive info. also about her desire to help combat the trend toward obesity in children.

i replied to this. not about healthcare directly, but about monsanto and its effect on our food chain. while i don't expect mrs obama to answer i asked for a reply - from ANYONE QUALIFIED THERE to tell me what the government is doing to protect our food supply from these and other greedy corporate moves against it.

i understand your frustration at people's resistance. i would like to know what else you are doing besides talking here to people whose eating habits are already largely different from the majority of americans.

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Yin
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posted July 21, 2010 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
kat, for what is worth, I've seen with my own eyes Valus do the same as you just did - write to the White House, respond to their news channel on YouTube etc.

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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted July 21, 2010 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message
Speak gently, and forget the stick. Just be an example, and live what is your truth. Others have to find their own path, and find their own truth. That doesn't mean we condone their actions, or agree with their choices. We can only change ourselves, and cannot force other individuals to change. Hopefully our example sheds some light for them, and inspires change in their own lives.

The government is another ball of wax.

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Valus
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posted July 21, 2010 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Good job, kat.
Every drop in the bucket helps.

I guess the biggest issue for me, and the biggest blindspot for Americans and Knowflakes alike, still has to do with the suffering of factory "farmed" animals. If you're on the same page, then great. (We know Linda Goodman was.) But the topic of resistance has significance on so many levels. I think we can all afford to take a look at ourselves, don't you?

And thanks for asking what else I'm doing. I'll take it as a rhetorical question, since it's something we all need to reflect on in private. Comparing efforts here, as we've all seen, just leads to competition and criticism. As long as you're honest with yourself, you don't need to prove anything to anyone. That's what this thread is about: being honest with yourself.

Suffice to say, I'm no saint, but I continue to look for ways to make a difference. Does that mean everything I do is political? No. Sometimes I raise big questions, not expecting to start a revolution, but, just because that's something I enjoy doing. Like the GodZala threads. I don't go in there and ask them what "else" they're doing to change the world, and neither do you. It's something that gives them pleasure and it's a way to connect with the community. The same is true for me, except I'd rather talk about Aristotle than Clive Owen. To each their own.

take care

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Valus
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posted July 21, 2010 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Speak gently, and forget the stick. Just be an example, and live what is your truth. Others have to find their own path, and find their own truth. That doesn't mean we condone their actions, or agree with their choices. We can only change ourselves, and cannot force other individuals to change. Hopefully our example sheds some light for them, and inspires change in their own lives.

Well said, AB.

It's a far cry from:

quote:
[they] should all be put on a boat, driven out to the remains of the rig, have all of their fingers, and toes broken with a hammer, have one leg, and one arm broken with a baseball bat, have their mouths sewn shut, right there, and then shoved off into the water


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katatonic
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posted July 21, 2010 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
actually it was not a rhetorical question. i am sincerely curious what else you are doing. and thank you for speaking for yourself. i realize you two are very close but i have a hard time with "chinese telephone" type conversations, even if the intention is good. in other words i prefer it when one person does not answer for another...it's kind of a boundaries issue if you like. no offense intended to either of you.

as to godzala i think that is a ridiculous comparison. or are you saying you really enjoy coming here and getting into arguments? i could understand that. but it's not what you say when you're in the middle of it...

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Yin
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posted July 21, 2010 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message

kat, thank you for noticing that Valus speaks for himself whether or not I have something to add to the discussion.

Since your last post was addressed to me as well:

I thought it was curious how the two of you did the same thing (writing to the White House) so I merely pointed it out.

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katatonic
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posted July 21, 2010 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
edit: sorry if i misunderstood again. that wasn't what it sounded like...

i just thought it would be interesting to know what valus' battle plan is, so to speak, and that it could add dimension and possibly even involve others in a way that preaching never will...

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SunChild
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posted July 21, 2010 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the article!

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Valus
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posted July 21, 2010 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Yin, New rule.
Don't feed the trolls.

SunChild, You're Welcome.


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katatonic
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posted July 22, 2010 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
Yin, New rule.
Don't feed the trolls.
SunChild, You're Welcome

guess that puts my impudence in its place!

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Yin
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posted July 22, 2010 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
starkiss1
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posted July 12, 2010 04:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for starkiss1 Edit/Delete Message Soz, the troll got in first.
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There are more posts like that here. All in reference to Valus.
Do you think this has to do with you, kat?
I don't.

It's a cry in pain and it has to do with people who never engage in a meaningful debate with Valus, but rather just hurl insults at him. I believe it was said in jest and not addressed to you.

Valus can correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

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katatonic
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posted July 22, 2010 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
so, yin,

in THIS thread where valus posted "new rule don't feed the trolls" and there is NO ONE ELSE POSTING but me, you valus and sunchild, and sunchild got thanked for her one grateful line...who do you think valus was referring to?

why would i think it referred to a post by someone else over a week ago before this thread started?


there seem to be an awful lot of troll accusations flying around here at the moment. this is an attempt to silence the "opposition". even when no opposition is being voiced. out of here, as i am obviously not welcome in the "club". i asked a sincere question and got several put downs and excuses for not answering it.

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Nephthys
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posted July 22, 2010 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
Great article thanks for sharing

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katatonic
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posted July 23, 2010 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
silence is eloquent, don't you think?

Like the GodZala threads. I don't go in there and ask them what "else" they're doing to change the world, and neither do you. It's something that gives them pleasure and it's a way to connect with the community. The same is true for me, except I'd rather talk about Aristotle than Clive Owen

as i recall you were part of a campaign
to outright muzzle godzala threads,
label them boorish, etc.

however i will give you
the same wide berth
you claim to give them from now on.
since obviously i am
far too original and bold
a thinker for you to understand!

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted July 23, 2010 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
what godzala threads?

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