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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted August 12, 2010 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
i went to the gas station and it was full of people. there was a homeless man sitting with a basket and all of his belongings in the basket, his head was down and his hand on his head. i didnt have much cash, but i gave him what i had. and when i drove away my heart broke in two. not so much because he was pitiful, but because he deserves dignity. all of those people walked past him like he didnt even exist. like he wasn't even there. it hurt me so much. everyone deserves dignity. how could all those people walk right past him like he was not even there. i cried all the way home. he is a person.

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cathy
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posted August 12, 2010 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cathy     Edit/Delete Message
You sound like a very caring person, I often
wonder about the same things.

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posted August 12, 2010 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message

He was lucky that you were there.

Bless you CPN.

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GypseeWind
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posted August 13, 2010 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
My brother is a homeless man.
This has been the BIGGEST heartbreak of my life.
Everything else pales in comparison. I practically raised that boy.
Every homeless person IS or WAS loved by someone.

This is my biggest plight in this life.

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charmainec
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posted August 13, 2010 05:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message

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"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies with in us."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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posted August 13, 2010 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
i just have too tender of a heart i think.
my husband says its like chocolate
drop it and it breaks
too hot it melts
handle it too much, it loses its shine.

my husband said we should organize a fundraiser and get several bands to play and raise money for homeless. i think i will.

he's a big softie too. he cried with me.

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posted August 13, 2010 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message
It’s terrible that these people are treated as an invisible part of society because of their circumstances. Yet if one takes the time to actually speak to them most had good, ‘normal’ lives with families. Most families don’t even know about them living on the streets because of lost contact and don’t want them to know thinking its better that way.

It reminds me of the movie Conversations with God based on Neale Donald Walsh’s experience when he was homeless and the first time he had to eat the left over’s of another. Definitely not an easy life and quit heartbreaking.

We shouldn’t look down on these people as if we are better than them. Even if you don’t have money, a kind word or smile will do as well.

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posted August 13, 2010 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message
CPN

That's a wonderful idea My gran has a organization that offers 3 meals a day for homeless people. They often have fund raisers to help.

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posted August 13, 2010 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
charm - when i get it organized i will email you on fb and see to it your gramma gets part of the proceeds along with cherry street mission. hopefully i can do it before winter hits.

gyps- so sorry to hear about your brother.

dignity - a term used to signify that a being has an innate right to respect and ethical treatment.

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posted August 14, 2010 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
Research has determined that a fair majority of the homeless are mentally incompetant.

When Regan closed down the "insane asylums", they were forced to the streets.

Shame on Mr Regan.

The ones who are just down on their luck are often in shelters, seeking help, etc. Often the ones on the street are the mentally incompetant ones.

There is help out there for those that will seek it, you may see them on the streets during the day, but at night they are at shelters. For the ones who cant make rational decisions for themselves, they will wander and wander....blessed souls for sure to choose a lifetime as such, but it is their choice.

The proud ones, the ones who are truely homeless do not panhandle. I, once, approached a lady who carted around her worldly goods in a shopping cart, and a dog and a puppy in the baby seat of the basket. I offered her and gave her a $5, for her dogs, cause her energy was strong and proud, she was truely homeless and I probably would have offended her if I offered her money for herself.

There are people on every corner where I live and ten times as bad in my state's capital.

In my experience, both personally and professionally, be very careful who you choose to help.

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posted August 14, 2010 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
hippichick
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In my experience, both personally and professionally, be very careful who you choose to help.

However;
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There is help out there for those that will seek it, you may see them on the streets during the day, but at night they are at shelters.
I have been homeless in both city and country situations.
I avoided city shelters....big rape/mugging zones.
There was no help in the country, but to sleep in barns and steal eggs, raid gardens and so forth.
Winter was nightmarish...one would do what it took to find food/shelter....and it was very demeaning and too often a trade of sex for such in my youth.

Also.....too often it is the lazy aszed moochers going to the food pantries and all.
These guys often have better living environments than I do even now....they get sooooooooo much for free.
They often make big money under the table and often have new cars and so forth too.

Also never give money to such, because it may be going towards drugs/booze.
Like years back a woman was begging at the mall on Christmas Eve...
I offered to buy her a cart of groceries and diapers and food....
but no...she screamed and swore at me because she "needed money, not grocery shite!"
So, my guess it was for drugs or whatever.
Or maybe she was faking being poor.

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posted August 14, 2010 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
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It reminds me of the movie Conversations with God based on Neale Donald Walsh’s experience when he was homeless and the first time he had to eat the left over’s of another. Definitely not an easy life and quit heartbreaking.
Been there, done that...many times and dumpster dived too.
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We shouldn’t look down on these people as if we are better than them. Even if you don’t have money, a kind word or smile will do as well.
Yes indeed!

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posted August 14, 2010 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
Lexx

Indeed there are screwballs in shelters, but there are, also, people who truley need help, from what I have seen, anyway.

From the unexperienced eye, one can be fooled.

I always refer to the idea of the panhandlers on the side of the road, who collect their cache then drive off in the BMW parked a ways away...probably a gross exaggeration, but a point illustrated nontheless.

And to be sure, buy them a meal, or something they need, never give money.

I remember this young blond girl, months ago, clearly pregnant, who was panhandling up and down a nearby freeway. She was anglo and it suprised me that she, all white, blond and pregnant would be out begging in a city of Hispanics....and high crime.

She had to be truely not there, in the head! Medicaid automatically pays for pregnant women and their children...tho she choose to put her self out there day after day.

Just, all, be careful who you choose to help!

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posted August 14, 2010 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
A statistic that I read said that 37% of homeless teens have a mental disorder. I think that is way off, it's much, much higher, IMHO.

Alot of people with mental disorders, my brother included, have no idea that they have them, that's part of the disorder!!

And I was going to say the same as Hippichick, when they closed down the wards, homelessness became a HUGE problem.

It's not fair, and it's not right, but that's the way it is.

Alot of folks wonder why the families don't help, and truth be told, alot of families have TRIED over and over to help.
There comes a point sometimes when you have to give up because it can take over your whole life... been there, done that. And also, alot of homeless people choose not to have anything to do with their families for various reasons.

I gave a blanket that I keep in the car to this homeless man that lives in front of the gas station, a few winters ago. I didn't have a dime on me, or I would of given it to him.
But, while my friend was taking forever in the store, I sat on the ground just talking to the man. And when I went to leave, he said, "I really thank you for the blanket, but even more for the talk."

Made me realize how lonely it must be, how shunned it must make one feel..

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posted August 15, 2010 06:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for eskimono     Edit/Delete Message
Gypsee - that is really sad about your brother, I can understand why that would be heartbreaking.

One of my lecturers at Uni did a lot of work/study with the homeless population in Leeds (UK). One of the things he found out what that a lot choose to live on the streets as preferable to the alternatives available to them. Whilst many do have alcohol or drug problems this is not the sole reason for their homelessness. The other interesting thing was that you see a lot of homeless people with apparently healthy looking dogs. He found that their owners spent a disproportionate amount of their 'income' on their dogs, and would go without food themselves in order to feed their dog.

I don't know about this 'be careful who you help' business. I think people wouldn't be on the streets begging unless they needed the money, and if I can spare some change, why would I judge their worthiness to receive it.

We have something called 'The Big Issue' in the UK, which is a magazine that homeless people can sell on the streets to make money. I bought one a few weeks ago off a guy that looked desperate for a fix (I might be wrong, but he was agitated and pacing around) - I thought at least he was trying to make income honestly. Who am I to judge him?

CPN - you are indeed a special person, not many people would be genuinely affected in the way you were - and then to actually do something about it? My hat is off to you. I don't think I can be of any direct help to you, but let me know if I can do anything. I love the idea of you having a chocolate heart!

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posted August 15, 2010 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
this guy was not panhandling. he was just sitting there. he didnt even look up when i put money in his hand. he was a broken member of our society. even people with addictions that they are powerless over are people. people that live breathe eat and sleep just like us.
regardless of the situation, they are people too.
i was homeless with three small children for three weeks that i will never forget.. i can't begin to imagine what a lifestyle of it would be like. halfway houses and group homes can not accomodate eveyone. i can't help it tjhat it made me sad, i didn't even think to judge him in anyway. my judgement was towards all those who walked by in and out buying all of thier things and he could have been a candy wrapper laying on the ground for all they noticed. thats what hurt me.

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posted August 15, 2010 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
people can be so cold and unkind.

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posted August 15, 2010 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Well perhaps one should also consider the possible dangers....
ever been mugged or cursed at or whatever by one of these
poor seeming folks?
I have.
Be careful because all are not what they appear to be.
A good man here helped some and they murdered him for his kindness.
Opening one's wallet/purse/pockets in front of some can get you robbed or murdered.
Or give money and drive off in your fancy car...and next time they see you....
well....
it can be be very dangerous.

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posted August 15, 2010 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eskimono     Edit/Delete Message
That is a risk that you take with pretty much everyone you come across in life, and it's often those close to us that hurt us.

I am currently looking at a case involving a 90 year old guy, who is on deaths door and trying to get his finances in order before he dies. He has just found out that the bank statements his son has be giving him for the past 15 years are fraudulent, and his son has stolen all of his money.

The risk I take in opening my wallet in front of a non-predatory homeless person seems negligible to me, especially when compared to all of the other risks I run on a daily basis.

I am not diminishing what must have been a terrifying experience for you Lexx, but that person must have been pretty desperate to do what they did. That was the point of my post. My friend asked why I was giving this guy money when he would probably just spend it on drugs. My answer was that he was trying to obtain that money honestly, and what he spent it on was none of my business. What would be his next option? To not buy drugs, or to find that money by some other means (ie mugging someone)? I can't imagine what it is like to be an addict, but by it's very definition I am guessing not buying drugs is not an option.

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posted August 15, 2010 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
no one can do anything to me that has not been done except take my life. everything else has already been done.

if my purpose here is to care and give, than what good am i if i refuse my purpose in this life..... if it is what i am here to do. what would it benefit me to walk away from what i feel in my heart is right? i can't. we all have our purpose. if i get robbed i get robbed, if i get beat, i get beat. the part of me that matters no one can touch. that is my soul.

i dont care if one other person thinks i am right if i know i do the right thing by caring, i know in my heart helping people less fortunate than myself..is the right thing to do. if i stand alone, i stand alone.

you are right though lexx, i dont consider the danger. at all. when i picked up a woman who was being beat in the middle of the road with cars passing all around, i put myself in danger, he could have hurt me too. i don't / didn't care. i had to help her. it is my life purpose to help other people. if i die doing it, so be it. i gotta die sometime. fear can not motivate my actions. ever.

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posted August 15, 2010 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eskimono     Edit/Delete Message
CPN - you make me feel small - you don't talk about things, you just do them. There is no ego involved.

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posted August 15, 2010 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
how could there be eskimono, i am not any better than the very least of God's children.
not one. and if it were me, wouldn't i hope for the same? one person to care.

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posted August 15, 2010 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eskimono     Edit/Delete Message
Absolutely.

That brought a tear to my eye. I think that is what is always in my mind....what if that were me?

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posted August 15, 2010 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
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you are right though lexx, i dont consider the danger. at all. when i picked up a woman who was being beat in the middle of the road with cars passing all around, i put myself in danger, he could have hurt me too. i don't / didn't care. i had to help her. it is my life purpose to help other people. if i die doing it, so be it. i gotta die sometime. fear can not motivate my actions. ever.
I am not going to prattle on telling all the things I did to help others and that I still do despite being robbed, beaten, and worse more than once....and some when I too was down and out.
I have been hurt defending, in similar cases as you stated.....and the bones broken in helping others, though healed still hurt...especially ribs....
so do not think I am against helping or fear helping...been doing it most of my life to date....just warning folks to be careful....and I still help when I can...and take the risks, even though I am poor and disabled...I do my best....been doing this for many decades...it's natural to me.

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posted August 15, 2010 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
it isnt about you it isnt about me. it was about the homelss man lexx.
screw this.

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