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Topic: Hey, is it legal....
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GypseeWind
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From: Dayton,Ohio USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 21, 2010 10:19 PM
 
To use video AND audio in ones workplace??I mean, I understand the safety behind the cameras, especially in the bar business, but now the owners have placed 'bugs' all around the bar so they can hear what is being said.
That creeps me out.
I mean, I cannot control what people say! Isn't there some kind of expectation of privacy or something?? Sorry if this is the wrong forum, didn't know where to post. Now I'm paranoid to even go to the bathroom, seriously!!! IP: Logged |
Nephthys
Knowflake Posts: 941
From: California
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 22, 2010 01:15 PM
It is illegal to record a phone conversation without someone's consent. So I would think that this is a similar situation. I don't feel this is right, morally  It crosses the line............ I wouldn't want to work there, or go there at all IP: Logged |
WinkAway
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From: here, there & everywhere
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posted September 22, 2010 01:16 PM
Yikes Gypsee...
Is this the same place that you saw a red light in the plant in the bathroom?
I'd be paranoid too... IP: Logged |
GypseeWind
Moderator Posts: 4108
From: Dayton,Ohio USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 22, 2010 01:46 PM
No Wink.We don't have plants in this bathroom. ICK.
They wouldn't live in that mess. Yeah, I feel very uncomfortable about it.
The fact that two people are sitting at home watching and listening to everything I do and say during my shift, is ... weird. I mean, I'm not doing anything to feel guilty about, but like I said, I cannot control what people say, and in this business people like to chat, and gossip. So, like, when a customer complains about the price of something, or the way something is, I can't agree or say ANYTHING at all. I feel like a Stepford Bartender. And the thing is.. that customer doesn't know what they are being said is being heard by the owners, so then when the owners see them, and the customer gets a weird vibe, they won't know why, and confusion reigns. Or am I overthinking something that probably happens every day?
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katatonic
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posted September 22, 2010 01:57 PM
it sounds illegal to me but it may be a state power that allows it? homeland security and all that...i think i would just write out a bunch of cards or notes and hand them to customers with their change letting them know they are being recorded visually AND by sound and they should let the owners know they are taking their business elsewhere till that stops!! or stand outside before shift informing them as they go in and out? my town is trying to pass new regulations for the massage trade, ostensibly to give them powers to crack down on the prostitutes that use massage as a cover...though 5 years ago they brought in permits including fingerprinting and background checks which did nothing to stop the INCREASE of prostitution parlors....even though they already knew who was legit and who was not. one of the regulations is that your clothing must be "opaque" and cover you from "at least mid thigh to two inches below the collarbone". i suspect these are the very people that think our govt is getting too big and too controlling! crikey, i think i will go to the town hall meeting in a burqa and make my objections visual. IP: Logged |
Dee
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posted September 22, 2010 02:44 PM
i found this hope it helps
http://vms-network.com/pdfs/Video%20Voyeurism%20and%20Surveillance.pdf IP: Logged |
WinkAway
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From: here, there & everywhere
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posted September 22, 2010 03:28 PM
Okay, must have been something else I read.
But I'd be very uncomfortable in your shoes. Makes me thankful to work in the conditions I do.
I'd definately read up on the laws where you're at..
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GypseeWind
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From: Dayton,Ohio USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 23, 2010 02:49 AM
Haven't read Dee's link yet, power cord is missing to my laptop (SON!!!!) but, yeah, today, I brought a mini notepad to work and whenever someone asked me something ummm... controversial, I just wrote down my answer.
Weird thing is the cameras play on one of our big screen TVs and so you can SEE yourself handing the customer the note, haha, that's freaky, but, no words are said..... so if they can fire me for passing a note, I AM GOING TO COURT!!! Seriously, I have never been late, never missed ONE day, and have covered numerous, unanticipated shifts on a secs notice. I realize we are having a recession, and I AM appreciative of a job, but GEEZZZZ, this is flippin ridiculous. PLZ send me some NEW JOBS for GYPS vibes, peeps. Thanks, so much. xox. IP: Logged |
AbsintheDragonfly
Moderator Posts: 1327
From: Gaia
Registered: Apr 2010
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posted September 23, 2010 11:06 AM
Wierd. Like getting caught in class for passing notes...I have no idea Gyps. Sending you the Job Mojo! ------------------
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WinkAway
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posted September 23, 2010 01:07 PM
hey yeah, send some of that mojo my direction too, k?
These customers I have to talk to are HORRIBLE!! Had me near tears yesterday...but seriously, having to resort to passing notes so you can protect your privacy is really not fair... seriously, do some people get off on their power trips by doing sh1t like that? IP: Logged |
GypseeWind
Moderator Posts: 4108
From: Dayton,Ohio USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 24, 2010 12:06 PM
I don't know.
Yesterday, it was truly creepy Wink.I was there working, and my boss calls, and in this totally ominous voice says..."I'm sitting in my living room, watching everything you are doing." I was like... yeah? so what? It's just some sort of mind feck or intimidation stragedy I guess. UGHHHH.
And they wonder why they lose so much business.
The customers are horrifed to know their privacy is being violated.
One got up and left his whole drink, and said he would not be back.
He'd been coming to that particular establishment (it's been through many owners) for 35 years! But, 3 business men came in yesterday wanting to inquire about purchasing the bar.
People ask that kind of stuff all the time.
Usually you can tell who is blowing smoke and who is serious.
They looked serious.
And they asked me if I would stay on as the manager if the deal goes through.  The present owners will be foreclosed by Jan 1st if they don't come up with their back payments and taxes. So, we'll see...
Sometimes things work out, just in a different way then what you thought they would.
Hopefully for you too, Wink. IP: Logged |
Nephthys
Knowflake Posts: 941
From: California
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 24, 2010 03:02 PM
Gypsee,PLEASE find another place to work. I get such a horrible, bad feeling about that place, especially after your dream, and now you providing more info here. Please go back to your dream thread, I left a message there too.  *worried* IP: Logged |
GypseeWind
Moderator Posts: 4108
From: Dayton,Ohio USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 25, 2010 08:50 PM
Thanks for your concern Nephs..I think the end is coming soon.
I can't take the stress much more. Off to see what you wrote in Astral... IP: Logged |
Nephthys
Knowflake Posts: 941
From: California
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posted September 27, 2010 12:48 PM
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I think the end is coming soon
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WinkAway
Moderator Posts: 1305
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posted September 27, 2010 12:57 PM
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I was there working, and my boss calls, and in this totally ominous voice says..."I'm sitting in my living room, watching everything you are doing."
Oh that's just CREEPY! Not right at all... I get bad feelings about this too. I'm not psychic or anything, but common sense says get the he11 out! If the place is being bought out, than maybe things will work out for you. Especially if they want to make you manager. That would be so well deserved and I'm sure you'd do a fabulous job. But if it continues and they do pay what they owe... please please find another job. If more customers knew, I'm sure they wouldn't have many left. You're too good of a person for that treatment...
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katatonic
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posted September 27, 2010 04:06 PM
gypsee have you checked the legal side yet??? please do. i think there is only so much spying even the owner of a biz can do on their employees! that would put the labour board on your side if you needed them...meanwhile be careful sweetie xoxIP: Logged |
AbsintheDragonfly
Moderator Posts: 1327
From: Gaia
Registered: Apr 2010
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posted September 27, 2010 08:07 PM
Eww. Creepy Owner guy, needs to get some therapy.Seriously check out the legal issues with that Gyps. Sending more Job Mojo! Be Careful!  IP: Logged |
charmainec
Moderator Posts: 664
From: on the other side of the rainbow
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 30, 2010 03:52 AM
That's quite disturbing Gypsee.It's illegal in my country and even if their are cameras the staff must be notified. No cams are allowed in caff area and bathrooms.That's where it ends though, no listening devices.Your employer should also know that such a thing would affect business, it is a bar after all not a prison. Please enquire about this and check whether it's legal or not.Can't be at work and feel paranoid all the time! You deserve better!!!!! ------------------
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"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies with in us."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
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AbsintheDragonfly
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From: Gaia
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posted September 30, 2010 09:18 AM
Just thinking of you.xoxo ------------------
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charmainec
Moderator Posts: 664
From: on the other side of the rainbow
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posted October 14, 2010 05:51 AM
Any update yet Gypsee?------------------
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"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies with in us."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
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GypseeWind
Moderator Posts: 4108
From: Dayton,Ohio USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted October 14, 2010 11:34 PM
I turned in my keys on Sunday.
My friend/co-worker is turning hers in on Saturday, and we're both going job hunting together next week. IP: Logged |
charmainec
Moderator Posts: 664
From: on the other side of the rainbow
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posted October 15, 2010 05:00 AM
Best of luck!!! ------------------
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"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies with in us."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
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teasel
Knowflake Posts: 2006
From: Ohio
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 15, 2010 05:22 AM
Good luck, Gypsee!IP: Logged |
GypseeWind
Moderator Posts: 4108
From: Dayton,Ohio USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted October 16, 2010 01:04 AM
Thank You! I have a feeling the Job Fairy is going to be good to me, having done my 7 month penance in hell. lol. We'll see!!!!IP: Logged |
WinkAway
Moderator Posts: 1305
From: here, there & everywhere
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 18, 2010 12:52 PM
Wow, good for you!!
And good luck on the job hunt!
I may be joining you soon. They are very strict here about being tardy and I've been around 3 minutes late regularly. I was warned last week and today was 3 mins late again, so we'll see...Glad you're outta there that was messed up.. IP: Logged |
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