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EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted February 10, 2011 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EverEvolvingSpirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've started my new healthy way of eating around a month ago. So far I've lost around 20 pounds but then the scale STOPPED MOVING!

I hate it, I step on the scale and it's been the exact same weight for almost 3 weeks and it's very discouraging! However, my clothes are getting kind big so I suppose I'm losing fat.

I dunno if it's my cycle or water weight or what

So my question to LL family is; has anyone ever experienced this? What do you usually do?

I'm tempted to throw the scale in the damned garbage and buy a new one later LoL, sounds irrtional but I don't need to be discouraged right now, I need to stay in a positive mindset if I want to reach my goal and the scale clearly isn't my friend.

I welcome all advice and input!

Thanks family

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LEXX
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posted February 10, 2011 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Same here.
No matter what,
it stayed the same for 9 weeks.

LOL! Better than gaining though!

Yet went down two sizes.
So either it was water weight or evil scale because my clothes are getting baggier.

It is plateauing....
just keep going.
I have found that measuring once a month and getting a size smaller outfit, and try squeezing into it helps, until yippe,
I can fit in it,
even when the scale says no weight loss!

{{{hugs}}}
You'll make it!

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EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted February 10, 2011 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EverEvolvingSpirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LEXX,
You always know what to say

I figure at this rate of me shrinking I should be a 13-14 by Summer, can't complain about that.

I heart you

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Lyra
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posted February 10, 2011 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lyra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't pay too much attention to scales. As Lexx says, whether you can fit into a smaller dress size is a truer representation.

Besides muscle weighs more than fat - so you can appear thinner but weigh more.

Keep up the good work and don't be discouraged.

Lyra

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AcousticGod
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posted February 10, 2011 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rush out and buy or read The 4-Hour Body by Tim Ferris.

You're doing just fine. Maybe you've been exercising and gained muscle. The scale is not the only means of measuring progress. You're making over your body. You're losing inches in places that matter.

There are SO many techniques in this book, you'll feel tremendously inspired.

EDIT: Hadn't seen a couple of the above posts before posting myself. I had to get my book out to see if there were any websites worth posting in it.

The lazy man's guide to weight loss: http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Phil-Libin-Fat-Loss-Glide-Path.xls
He just tracked his weight. That's all!

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EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted February 10, 2011 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EverEvolvingSpirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I appreciate this, guys, thanks.
I'm gonna look the book up on Amazon, AC
Thanks for the link!

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EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted February 10, 2011 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EverEvolvingSpirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AC, he just tracked his weight and that's how he lost it???

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posted February 10, 2011 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup. What gets measured gets managed, and it can seemingly happen with easy measurements like this. He talked about another idea in the book where you take a picture of everything you eat. Include your hand in the picture for scale. The mere consciousness of what you're eating curbs your desire to eat so much. He also said that people that engage in taking pictures of their food are even more successful than those that journal what they eat, which is impressive because the journalers do quite well.

Here are some habit-building sites that he recommends as well: http://www.habitforge.com/
http://www.stickk.com/

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EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted February 10, 2011 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EverEvolvingSpirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting! I just bid on The 4 hour body on ebay, wish me luck! Well not really, when I get some $$ I'm gonna get it anyway, the reviews look awesome

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posted February 10, 2011 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My copy's massive. Hardcover. Thankfully he's not concerned that you read it all.

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EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted February 10, 2011 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EverEvolvingSpirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ya, I bid on the hardcover one

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posted February 10, 2011 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could lose weight just carrying it around.

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EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted February 10, 2011 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EverEvolvingSpirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LoL

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Randall
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posted February 11, 2011 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hope you win.

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EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted February 11, 2011 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EverEvolvingSpirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LoL someone wouldn't back down so I caved with the auction, but actually was able to get one brand new for 12.50 free shipping, better deal!

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posted February 12, 2011 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool. I bought a scale last night. I left my old one at my old place. I've always been good about maintaining my weight. Finding out about the guy who was determined to be lazy about it, and yet monitor his weight was fascinating.

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EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted February 12, 2011 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EverEvolvingSpirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Wish thatd work for me. When it gets warmer I am going to start jogging, there is a track pretty close to me.

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posted February 12, 2011 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not an expert but I have been reading on the subject lately, and some findings that surprised me were:

first, you will loose fat stored in the skin. i.e. you don't loose fat from the bum or the belly at first, but from the thickness of your skin

also, the right way to loose weight would be to keep the muscle and loose the fat, obviously. but to do that, patience is necessary, it takes time.

http://www.soyouwanna.com/soyouwanna-lose-weight-1427.html

check this article. lots of good infos

not always easily acceptable, but for having read similar stuff on a very serious french website, I think this article is talking much sense.

some highlights from this article.

quote:
it isn't easy to lose weight. Your body wants to stay the way it is, and it thinks that attempts to change it are harmful. We think losing weight is simple in theory but difficult with regard to the hard work and willpower you have to put in.

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If you go on a severely limited diet, your body will do a bunch of irritating things, such as: giving you hunger pangs, making you feel tired and sluggish, drawing the energy it needs from your muscle tissue as well as your fat, etc. Therefore, you shouldn't try to lose weight by dieting alone.

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you need to figure out how many calories a person of your age, sex, and weight usually needs in a day (see Eat Less), subtract 500 from that amount, and follow a diet that provides you with that many calories. For example, if you would ordinarily need 3000 calories in a day, you would follow a 2500 calorie per day diet. Then you figure out how much exercise a person of your weight would need to do to burn 500 calories per day (see Exercise), and you get off your lazy ass and do it.

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The "Basal Metabolic Rate" is the number of calories a man of that weight would burn just to keep the heart beating, the lungs pumping, etc. You would just burn your basal metabolic rate worth of calories if you slept 24 hours per day.

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Under no circumstances should you reduce your caloric intake to fewer than 1200 calories per day.

HERE http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/ you can calculate the basal metabolic rate, which is the lower threshold of calories someone needs everyday, to keep the body functioning properly.

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EverEvolvingSpirit
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posted February 12, 2011 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EverEvolvingSpirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, pire. I appreciate your input and am going to go through the links right now

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posted February 12, 2011 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no worries. I haven't got great weight issues, but since a few months or may be a few years, I noticed I didn't loose weight as I used to. I am not huge, so I never really have to do a diet, and so I used to "regulate" myself easily. if i ate too much one day, I would be more careful for a few days later and it used to be enough to be in shape, or sort of. I never had a ripped body either. just normal for someone who is not too much into sport.

but for a little while now, I realised it didn't work anymore. I don't loose wait as I used to.

so I had a look on the web to understand how to loose some weight. and once this achieved, how to keep it like this.

what I understand is that there is a minimum of calories that the body needs. it needs it to function properly. basically, for the lungs, heart and so on to function. for a man it is roughly around 2000 calories, a little less for me. not sure for a woman. but this is the first number that one needs to know to proceed.

whatever you eat above this threshold is going to be stored by the body. and to keep it, the calories are transformed in fat. but calories aren't fat, they are energy. fuel if you prefer. but when they are transformed in fat, they become very "attached" to you. they don't want to let go. the body likes to transform calories in fat, well to a certain extent, until it becomes a problem for it. so when one is loosing weight by cutting calories too much and not respecting the minimal threshold of calories the body needs to function, the danger is that the body will not give up the fat. why would it give up what is protecting him (and protecting you) when is being deprived of newer fuel?

so the bottom line is to eat enough, and to eat a little bit of everything. by everything I mean 3 things.

as far as I understood, there is 3 great categories of nutriments. I don't know their english name, but in french it's lipides, glucides and proteines. or you can call them:

lipides: fat
glucides: sugar
proteines: meat/cereals

the first category, the fat is essential, like the oil in the car, there is a lot of friction in an engine, and heat too, so the oil you put in there helps the engine to work and prevent it to brake down because of rusting metal. fat in the body is the same, it is a sort of lube.
1 gr of fat = 9 calories
the body needs roughly 30% of this for someone who is not doing a diet. so out of the number of calories that the body needs per day to function, 30% should be lipides (again for someone who is not on a strict diet to loose weight but just wants to keep in shape, for someone on a strict diet, I suppose they need a bit less of fat and more proteines I think).

then the glucides, or sugar are like the fuel the car needs to move. no fuel... well, nothing happens. there are different sort of sugar, slow burning and quick burning.
1 gr of glucides = 4 calories
for someone who's not on diet to loose weight, their intake of sugar should be 55%

then, lastly there is the proteines, aka bricks of the body. they are your body. they are the element out of which the body is made. they are the bricks used to build it. you find them in meat, fish, eggs, and cereals. but there is different type of bricks that the body needs. and if the meat and fish and egg can contain all the different type of bricks needed to build a strong body, cereals do not have all of them, except soja which is the only one, as far as I know, that has all different types of proteines. that is why a veg child is, to me, nonsense, because without bricks, the body is sort of limited to become stronger. and I suppose adults always need proteines to regenerate the body becasue an adult who doesn't do a diet needs 15% of proteines in his daily intake.
1gr of proteines = 4 calories.

(for the record, in french, calories are expressed as Kcal, may be in the US too, I don't know.)

so, to loose weight in a definite manner, you need to take food into account. it is not a bad habit to eat, hey, I am french! I love to. and here we eat fat too. in my fridge I have a jar of goose fat to cook some meals. so food is good, and all types are good AND necessary.

this is the first part of the journey, understanding the food. the second, which goes hand in hand, is doing some exercice. from what I have read, there is more benefit to exercice more than 1/2 hour because before this time, the body doesn't burn the existing fat. but being an air sign with a virgo mars (also conjunct jupiter, for good and evil) I need to read more on that aspect of the "journey".

good luck ladies

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posted February 12, 2011 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My first two days with the scale. Weight down 1.6 pounds. That was this morning after a breakfast of 2 eggs, 2 bacon, 1 sausage, and 2 pancakes. It sounds like a lot, but I was just trying to satisfy my book's notion of 30 grams of protein within 30 minutes of waking up (and I like all these breakfast foods anyway).

Recently learned from a tweet from the author of Eat This, Not That that eating fried eggs in the morning will keep your blood pressure down (according to some new Canadian study). http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Egg-proteins-may-reduce-blood-pressure-Study

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posted February 13, 2011 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EverEvolvingSpirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, 1.6 in two days! Good job! I'm not sure when I'll receive the book, hopefully this week, I'm eager to try.
What do your lunch and dinner look like? Do you do the ice packs and cold showers too? Ugh, I'm afraid of that. Than I heard he allows a cheat day which I don't think I should use because I think it will start giving me cravings for junk, if it helps my metabolism I may consider, if he states facts in the book as to why a cheat day would be beneficial then I'm incorporate it. I read that the reason why he allows a cheat date is because it helps people stick to their eating plan, but I don't think I'd have any problems with the type of breakfast you're eating lol

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posted February 13, 2011 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EverEvolvingSpirit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I decided to apply that 30 before 30 for today just to see. 3 pieces of turkey bacon 4 poached eggs and 2 slices of low carb toast. I am STUFFED lol but I think tere may be something to this theory. I will see how I feel throughout the day

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posted February 13, 2011 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What kind of exercise are you doing?

A plateau indicates your body needs a shake up. If you've been walking then incorporate a little jogging or some hills. If you've been doing the elliptical move to a stair climber for a while. Increase work out times, use heavier weights, do more reps, etc.

The body gets used to work out routines and occasionally needs something different or something more to get back into weightloss mode.

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posted February 13, 2011 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ps: i am dealing with a plateau right now. It's just not as easy to lose weight in my late 30's as it used to be. I'm hitting a plateau after only losing 10 pounds.

So today we are going for a long bike ride and I'll also go to the gym for an hour and a half later and start doing some weights like I should have been doing the past month and a half.

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