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carl
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posted April 30, 2011 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She told me she would stay w/ me until my treatment (for cancer) was done, and support me. Then take alone time later.

I felt she did it perhaps a little out of duty and guilt and told her she did not have to. But she insisted. But I knew there were some issues. I kept asking her and she told me she would tell me after treatment, and get her space after treatment. She did not want to stress me during, but i felt her sticking by me put a strain on the relationship *which was already Long distance.

So I lied and told her my chemo was over before it really was. My reasoning was so we could address the issues asap, and to allow her space now, instead of making her wait, so she would not feel any duty or guilt or what ever.

Was this an okay lie? How can I eventually tell her I sacrificed my body for her space, and the sake of communication (to address issues sooner, rather than later?) Even if it meant an increased toll on my not so healthy body (the stress has eaten it alive). So she thinks I am done and two weeks of no talking even though I just finished chemo (and will start radiation soon) She kept saying before that she made sacrifices for me, for us...But she does not know of the one I have just made...

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lalalinda
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posted April 30, 2011 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh carl, I am so sorry

Please get well soon.

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LEXX
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posted April 30, 2011 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
carl
No I do not feel you did wrong.{{{hugs}}}
You must at this time do what is best for you and that means reducing or eliminating stress of any kind.
Sending waves of healing energy to you.
Love and great blessings of good health be yours.

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Ami Anne
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posted April 30, 2011 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Carl

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If you forgive men their trespasses, your Heavenly Father will forgive you
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses,neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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mochai
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posted April 30, 2011 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I left a guy who was deployed in iraq performing dangerous convoys. For all I knew, he was in Qatar, and he told me he was in the hospital for a few days when he got injured lifting boxes and that's why he couldn't respond to my e-mails etc. I found out later he got injured lifting boxes because he was shot in the lower back and would have been paralyzed had it not been for his bullet proof vest. I know he got shot again in the leg and maybe some other time. I left him because he lied to me about that. I couldn't take the fact that he would be dishonest to me. I do require honesty to maintain a relationship with some stipulations allowing for time (on the verge of or in an argument or when they need a few days to sort an issue out they're not sure about). It feels like an insult when the person I love and am closest to cannot trust me with the truth. I find that very devastating and the worst kind of betrayal (I know lying is as common as doing dishes for most people and they're completely ignorant of their own lying, it's just a virtue I take very personally in a romantic relationship). When you're going through chemo, your cognitive capabilities are impaired. In your circumstance I would tell her how I felt and how much stress <insert issue> is causing you. If she can't emotionally attune or appropriately respond to your request than perhaps there is a deeper issue at play.

It does sound like you guys have feelings you need to discuss. When you suppress feelings they always get more intense and eventually one person suffocates or explodes.. or it comes out passive aggressively, which I think is the most undermining. That's my view though. Honesty is huge for me, but it could be partly the sag influences. For anyone going through chemo I would want to know about it and support them, whether I hated them or loved them or wasn't sure what I felt about them. If that person didn't want me to, well that's their wish.

Ultimately though.. is it wrong? I think that depends on your girlfriend. I personally doubt she'll be too upset for the action.

Would you mind if I sent reiki/prayers?

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saronna
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posted April 30, 2011 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for saronna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my God Carl, don't scarifice your cancer chemo treatment for anything. If the girly thinks she is making scarifices for you, so you can have her body forget it. Focus on yourself and getting the right support so you can get well and leave this hussy alone. There is someone right just for you and who accepts your body just is and wants to be there with you through the cancer and all the rough spots and the happy ones too. Don't lower the bar and know it's not worth the price she is asking from you. The price is to high. Make a plan and leave the hussy for a better life. Is the cost to high; definitely your life is so worth getting out of a dysfunctional and abusive relationship.

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saronna
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posted April 30, 2011 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for saronna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PS Carl her issues are her issues and why is it long distance when you need support with cancer?

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mochai
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posted April 30, 2011 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Weird bug dp

Also, his gf is going through a transiting uranus conj sun.

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rajji
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posted April 30, 2011 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajji     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Carl.I think you can be more specific regarding such experiences.just be starightforward...Tell her that you want her to tell you what it is 'NOW' not later as your anxiety,stress,worry,fear,anger, is playing a havoc on your peace of mind...tell her you will decide whether you need her assistance and aid only after she says whatever she wanted to say...I think that would be a far better approach.

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carl
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posted April 30, 2011 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for all the input and good vibes guys. I know I post a lot about this, but it hurts. Then again, writing about it helps a lot.

That D@*n Uranus, and it is so slow too. It takes a year for it to go like 4-5 degrees. So maybe this time next year ... Ugh, any tranists that might balance this Uranus that I should look into?

EDIT: Ohh, I really like this. It will help me a lot in understanding things, by comparing it to natal, I like.
http://www.findyourfate.com/astrology/ephemeris/2011.html

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Betty Boop
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posted May 01, 2011 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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She told me she would stay w/ me until my treatment (for cancer) was done, and support me. Then take alone time later.
I felt she did it perhaps a little out of duty and guilt and told her she did not have to. But she insisted

A *true* friend (never mind gf) would not have mentioned this in the first place.
I mean if you want to be there for someone, whatever your reasons may be - then BE there... and if you don't - then leave.
But what's the point of her saying this to you other than to make you feel bad?

I strongly doubt she did it intentionally. She is probably oblivious. But I stand by what I said to you initially -- she is toxic to you (even if it is by accident) - and you deserve a person by your side who has -real- emotional depth.
This person is not her.

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Ami Anne
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posted May 01, 2011 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
A *true* friend (never mind gf) would not have mentioned this in the first place.
I mean if you want to be there for someone, whatever your reasons may be - then BE there... and if you don't - then leave.
But what's the point of her saying this to you other than to make you feel bad?

I strongly doubt she did it intentionally. She is probably oblivious. But I stand by what I said to you initially -- she is toxic to you (even if it is by accident) - and you deserve a person by your side who has -real- emotional depth.
This person is not her.


Totally,Carl dear
My heart goes out to you so much.I know you want her to be different. That is the biggest sadness in this,Carl dear.
I don't think she IS who you want and need.
We have all been there,I think I can say.
You, though,have complicating factors with your illness that make it beyond poignant.
Keep writing, dear Carl.
I want to listen,as I know other do ,also

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If you forgive men their trespasses, your Heavenly Father will forgive you
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Coffee
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posted May 01, 2011 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This, Carl, was an ok lie.

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letram
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posted May 01, 2011 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
everybody lies.

is a lie, morally a good thing? no.

do people in relationships lie to one another? at times yes, the more they do, the more unhealthy and weak the relationship is.

so, you present a case of lie in a relationship, on paper, is you telling her a lie bad? yeah morally it may be incorrect, but in reality and truth? no.

when we lie, we are deceiving, in relationships, one of the most important foundations for peace and security is Trust. relationship without trust, is very likely to crumble away and fast.

so you've told her a lie, what was the purpose of the lie first of all? it was to conceal something for her sake, so at the bottom, it was out of loving thought for her. so already, we see this isnt BAD.

when we lie out of selfishness, and the lie is not out of any form of loving thought for our partner, that is when its bad.

now, the last part is left here in the situation, you told her a lie, what is there left? you have to make a decision, you can always keep this lie to yourself, and it May save some small resentment or negative feelings on her behalf, but i personally would be surprised if she was unhappy with you for this lie, but always remember, everyones principles are different in these matters.

but consider that if she some how finds out, and its not through you that she finds out, you build Mistrust. and thats what crumbles relationships, lack of trust. the other party will wonder what else you have lied about, and if you are willing to lie about something like that, what else are you willing to lie about, can you be trusted? what else do you keep from me sort of thing.

in my opinion, if i tell a lie like this one you have, then my intention is always, to redeem it, by telling my partner the truth as soon as i can. in my opinion, this builds trust upon what small trust you may lose. because it hopefully show them that, you are honest about lieing, and that if you do lie, your intentions arent to keep a secret, or secrets. and that you arent That selfish. and that you love them and respect them.

so, in my opinion, i dont think your lie was bad at all. in other words, i think it was fine/okay.

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LEXX
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posted May 01, 2011 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Carl {{{hugs}}}

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carl
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posted May 01, 2011 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks letram. Kind of the grey area I suppose.

I don't like to lie, and value honesy. But it was for the sake of learning more info (sooner) for the sake of improvement. I started to feel what she was doing was lie by omission, or with holding info. But of course, two wrongs almost never, or never, make a right.

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charmainec
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posted May 02, 2011 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmainec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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saronna
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posted May 09, 2011 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for saronna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think if you are under deress and it's a game with no rules than putting morality aside and one is playing the game of life it calls to play with all universal laws. Is satan a liar for believing in his own power and beauty that arguably outshined Master Jesus. What's the flaw with satan's argument. Is it with beauty or power that satan is seduced by his own denial of who is God and can be God. Can satan be God, that is more beautiful and powerful than God. Where is the lie with Satan's argument with God's position as the creator of the universe that is argued in Gensis.

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